Tobi,Nagato,Madara. The connections!!

[Noobastank]

My Theory: Madara Was Tobi's Old Sensei.

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Madara- "..This is his doing..He definatly has something in mind but what?Things dont seem to be going as according to plan very well. That someone was able to revive me in this state."

Madara and Tobi seem to have very close ties based on this statement. Madara knows the true identity of Tobi and this leads me to believe there is a student/master type of relationship. But I would like to hear some of the theories of they're relationship.

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It seems that Madara planned to be resurrected by other means. Im assuming that Tobi was the one of the tools he intended on using when devising the plan to get this done.

Madara-"Hashirama..I dont know what exactly you have left them..But look at them!..they are nothing compared to you. If i could have known how weak they turned out to be i would have taught you how to rise from the dead"

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This is the statement leads me to believe that there was already a plan outside of Edo Tensei to revive Madara.

It seems Tobi and Madara would be the orchestra-tors of this plan long before the start of the third great ninja war. But I would like to know YOUR theories about their relationship.

to sum it all up

How does Tobi and Madara know eachother, and why has Madara planned on being resurrected?

Also Where does Nagato fit in with all of this? When madara is revived he assumes it was Nagato. Tobi also states that it was him who gave the rinnengan to Nagato.I have no accurate theories as to how Nagato is connected other than he being a tool to be used by Tobi and Madara for his future resurrection. The only thing i can think of is madara giving his rinengan to Tobi shortly before his death..But then again who knows...what do you think Narutards? Hit me with some logic.

 

[Prince Charles]

legit.

 

[jordan1]

nagato was suppose to revive madara with Outer Path: Samsara of Heavenly Life TechniqueOuter

 

[Kettei]

Good theory

 

[Nigete]

What if Madara was talking about Orochimaru and not Tobi?

 

[MacMiller]

I think your second quote about reviving Hashirama was just an expression. Madara was just saying how weak they are, and wants to show them a real battle by fighting Hashirama instead of the weak Kages.

 

[UchihaIsOP]

What if madara gave nagato the rinnegan then madara died then came back with edo tensei and still have the rinnegan

 

[Noobastank]

What if Madara was talking about Orochimaru and not Tobi?

Because of what kabuto says. here

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he clearly says the name of orochimaru here. if he was talking about orochimaru he would have said so. insted they both try to hide tobi's identity by saying "HIS doing" and "I am HIS assistant" Kabuto is defiantly talking about Tobi

 

[Noobastank]

I think your second quote about reviving Hashirama was just an expression. Madara was just saying how weak they are, and wants to show them a real battle by fighting Hashirama instead of the weak Kages.

Then Why assume nagato revived him if he didnt know other ways to be revived?

 

[-Cerberus-]

In my view I believe that tobi is the elder son, just saying that to link it to the connections.
Tobi told Madara that he has to fight The First Hokage in order for him to gain his DNA.
He then told madara that even if he loses he would use a young boy with the rinnegan to bring him back to life.
Why would madara go through with this ? Tobi promised Madara the he would awaken his rinnegan just before he died so that he would have it when he used Nagato to bring him back to life
When madara was brought back to life, he said something about '' this is his doing'' he might of been referring to tobi and his nagato plan, but soon realised that is was the edo tensei.
When tobi found out nagato used the justu to bring back all the dead in konaha tobi was furious, he new that brining back madara would now seem impossible. Kabuto comes in now with his ways of finding dna. Tobi alsosaid to konan he was the one who gave nagato the rinnegan which is true. I'm tired so I'll stop now

 

[Hatake Senju]

It is quite possible that Nagato was supposed to revive Madara with the rinnegan. It is also possible that Madara used the rinnegan to revive another dead Uchiha before he died to carry out his plan (Tobi). Therefore, Tobi could really be anybody. And I agree with you that the Sage of the Outer Path Technique was supposed to be reserved for Madara himself...

 

[Pretium]

I Guess It's Possible Madara's His Rinnegan Went To Nagato, Because When Itachi Is Revived, He Has His Sharingan, Which Was Implanted Into Sasuke, So I Guess Kabuto Can Somehow Restore It

 

[iSpeak]

Im pretty sure Madara directly gave Nagato the Rinnegan, which is how Madara knew a young Nagato.
As for who Tobi is, I think he is some type of creation (probably from Zetsu), with all of Madara's Memories and ambitions before he died.

 

[MacMiller]

Then Why assume nagato revived him if he didnt know other ways to be revived?

We're talking about the same thing, right?

 

[Noobastank]

In my view I believe that tobi is the elder son, just saying that to link it to the connections.
Tobi told Madara that he has to fight The First Hokage in order for him to gain his DNA.
He then told madara that even if he loses he would use a young boy with the rinnegan to bring him back to life.
Why would madara go through with this ? Tobi promised Madara the he would awaken his rinnegan just before he died so that he would have it when he used Nagato to bring him back to life
When madara was brought back to life, he said something about '' this is his doing'' he might of been referring to tobi and his nagato plan, but soon realised that is was the edo tensei.
When tobi found out nagato used the justu to bring back all the dead in konaha tobi was furious, he new that brining back madara would now seem impossible. Kabuto comes in now with his ways of finding dna. Tobi alsosaid to konan he was the one who gave nagato the rinnegan which is true. I'm tired so I'll stop now

He said "This is HIS doing" After he realized it was Edo tensei. He realized it was Edo Tensei seconds after leaving the coffin.

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[ChidoriChimp]

A great and sensible theory +rep

 

[Noobastank]

We're talking about the same thing, right?

Yes. He spoke of words of teaching Hashirama to revive himself. this implies that he knows how to revive the dead in the first place thats all im getting at. Im sure he was joking around about teaching hashi, but the statement does imply that he does know a method or had a plan for his own resurrection.

 

[Gunther]

There is one interesting thing. Hiruzen Saturobi was about 69 age when he died, at the same time Nagato was about 30-40's. When Sarutobi was about 13-15, it was already after the fight between Madara and Hashirama(Danzo's flashback, when Sarutobi become third hokage). My point is that Madara must live at least 30 years after the fight at the valley of the end(or everyone agrees that he talked to with a newborn Nagato). This is very important, because Madara cannot be close to death after the fight, or he became an 'empty shell of former himself'-Tobi. I'm apologise for language mistakes, I'm a little drunk