Trunks and ambriel have destroyed the other sides arguments numerous times props to them...
Understand this kumiu is the easiest move to counter example
The uchihas are adept in using both weapons and ninjutsu that are combos (fire + shuriken) (fire + fire + outdoors)(clone + shuriken)(shadow shuriken + chidori stream)(susanoo + amaretsu)(genjutsu + shuriken)(genjutsu + susanoo)
now as far as guy is concerned nothin he can do amaretsu wrapped round susanoo touch it he's a dead man
Kakashi is a genius but so is his prize student who happens to be a tru sharingan wielder....
Sasuke genjutsu superior to kakashi
Amaretsu kakashi has no way to dodge
Susanoo covers all ranges
Kumiu lol like amaretsu appears where the caster is looking but like deva and sasuke both have shown attacks in succession counter the jutsu
Trunks and ambriel have destroyed the other sides arguments numerous times props to them...
Understand this kumiu is the easiest move to counter example
The uchihas are adept in using both weapons and ninjutsu that are combos (fire + shuriken) (fire + fire + outdoors)(clone + shuriken)(shadow shuriken + chidori stream)(susanoo + amaretsu)(genjutsu + shuriken)(genjutsu + susanoo)
now as far as guy is concerned nothin he can do amaretsu wrapped round susanoo touch it he's a dead man
Kakashi is a genius but so is his prize student who happens to be a tru sharingan wielder....
Sasuke genjutsu superior to kakashi
Amaretsu kakashi has no way to dodge
Susanoo covers all ranges
Kumiu lol like amaretsu appears where the caster is looking but like deva and sasuke both have shown attacks in succession counter the jutsu
This Is The reasons I Think kakashi And Guy Will Win
kakashi 1.Smarts 2.Experience / Fighting Sasuke 3.Over 1000 Jutsu 4.Kamui 5.can Go Underground 6.Ms 7.Summoning/Tracking Fang Technique 8.Took On Tailed Beast
Note:Kakashi was Preparied To Take On Ms sasuke, Tobi, And Zestu at The The same Time, I'm not saying he was going To Win But He Was Calm And Now that Guy can Back Him up Sasuke's Done For
Guy 1. 8 Gates 2. kakashi backing him up 3.Speed 4.power 5.Hirudora 6.Asa Kujaku 7.Took On tailed beast
I'm Going To Start With Kakashi
1.You May Ask What Does This Have To Do With Anything... Well Kakashi Can Work Out A Plan In The Middle Of A Battle .. And The Plan Is Always Good Enough To Get The Job Done..Ex.. When Kakashi Was Fighting Edo Zabuza ..
2.You May Ask What Does This Have To Do With Anything.. Well kakashi Fought Sasuke And Kakashi Knows About Sasuke's Susanoo , And His Susanoo's Arrows
3.You May Ask What does Having 1000 Jutsu Do Good For You When You Don't Have The Chakra For It... I'm Not Sating He Has To Use Or Can use Every Jutsu I'm Just This Shows That He Have Lot's Of Jutsu In His Arsenal That Can Counter Sasuke's Jutsu With.
4.You May Ask How Can Kamui Help Kakashi .. Well Kakashi Can Just Kamui Sasuke And He's dead ..How Many Times Has Kakashi Missed ?
5.You May Ask What Does Going Underground Have Too Do With Anything.. Well How Can Sasuke Hit Kakashi While Hes Underground ? And Yet Kakashi can Easily Hit Sasuke While Hes Underground
6.You May Ask What Does This have To Do With Any Thing Sasuke Has E.M.S...Well This Just Shows How Much Kakashi Is Skilled With The Sharingan Being Able To Master It And Not even Even Being An Uchiha
7.You may say Sasuke Has Snakes and Hawks And What can Dogs Do To giant Snakes and Hawks .... Well Kakashi dogs Can Use Tracking Fang Technique And Bite Sasuke While Hes In His Susanoo
8. Kakashi Took On Tailed Beasts And was Able To Hold His Own , Now The Last Time Sasuke Tried To Take On A Tailed Beast ( Not Beasts ) He Was Beating Half To Death , And If It Was Not For Plot And Jugo ,Sasuke Would Be Dead Right Now.
Now It's Guy's Turn
1.8 Gates This It just Too Much For Sasuke...
2.Guy Has Kakashi Backing Him Up so While sasuke Is Focused With Guy Kakashi Can attack And Vise Versa
3.Guy's 6th And 7th Gate Speed Is Too Much For Sasuke He Can't See Him with His Eyes And He's Not Fast enough To Counter guy... ( This Is Where Sasuke's Susanoo Helps From getting Soloed By Guy Blaze release) Also Guys Speed In 6th Or 7th Gate Can Protect Kakashi .. How You Might Ask Well guy Can Punch/Kick Sasuke in 6th or 7th Gate Sending Him back And Stopping The Arrows From Being Fired
4.Guy's Power In 7th Gate Can break Sasuke's Susanoo, People Say Guy's 7th Gate could Not Kill Kisame!! But Guy Was Not Trying To Kill Him He Was Asked To Bring Him Back Alive So They Could Get Info Out Of Him..
5.What Can Sasuke Do To Counter Hirudora ? Nothing...
6.Asa Kujaku What Can Sasuke Do To Counter This?....Well Amaterasu Of Course But Asa Kujaku > Amaterasu .. Let Me Explain Amaterasu May Burn Everything Even Fire, But The Asa Kujaku Can Push The Amaterasu In The Other Direction
7.Guy Took On Tailed Beasts And was Able To Hold His Own , Now The Last Time Sasuke Tried To Take On A Tailed Beast ( Not Beasts ) He Was Beating Half To Death , And If It Was Not For Plot And Jugo ,Sasuke Would Be Dead Right Now.
Amaterasu Guy Can Counter With Asa Kujaku, Kakashi Can Counter With Doton
Sussano Kakashi And Guy Can Counter , Kakashi With His Summons (Tracking Fang Technique) And He Can Go Under Ground, Guy Counters With Speed ,power , Hirudora,Asa Kujaku
Genjutsu Kaksahi And Guy Can Counter This ( Kakashi's Eye ) And Also If Guy Gets Hit kakashi Can Break Him Out And Vise Verse
Kirin May Be The Only Problem , But Kakashi Can Go Underground And Guy Could Hirudora Sasuke Before He uses it Or Just kill Sasuke Before he Launches It ( kakashi Is Smart He's Going To Know That Sasuke Shoot Flame Into The Air For No reason ?) You Think Their Just Going To Let him Do That ? They Can See The Thunder Clouds And See His Chidori Pointing Up In The Sky
Chidori With Kakashi's raikiri He did Make Chidori After all , Guy Can Easily Counter That With Any Gate Move
When kakashi Uses Kamui What Can Sasuke Do To Counter This ?
Sasuke has a hawk equals out of their range but they're still in his range via kirin great dragon fire raiton charged shuriken chidori senbon susanoo arrows
He has great speed + sharingan chidori negashi & susanoo hand to hand or close range to easy
Mid range amaretsu susanoo chidori esiou genjutsu and katon
Sasuke is the most well rounded ninja + he is one of few characters built for mass combat
Sasuke has a hawk equals out of their range but they're still in his range via kirin great dragon fire raiton charged shuriken chidori senbon susanoo arrows
He has great speed + sharingan chidori negashi & susanoo hand to hand or close range to easy
Mid range amaretsu susanoo chidori esiou genjutsu and katon
Sasuke is the most well rounded ninja + he is one of few characters built for mass combat
Wow this thread still hasn't died? Guess it just goes to prove that Itachi fanboys>sasuke fanboys since most of them are admitting that this is too much for him. Sasuke is obviously<<<<<Itachi.
Kakashi's lil pets do nothin at all to susanoo they have to get pass the hawk which I don't see happening
Guy's tiger is actually a punch meaning amaretsu + susanoo kills him
Sasuke can see kakashi hiding underground like, deidara's mines add great dragon fire or susanoo easily the ground is destroyed
Kumiu I explained but if u don't get it kakashi absorbs the first arrow as a distraction unknowingly the second arrow is already on its way
Guy is not as fast as A going off kisame (u people should really look at every aspect before picking sides ) amaretsu kills both kakashi hides underground amaretsu, the entire floor like itachi did how will any of them escape?
U do realize sasuke fought hachibi? Better yet naruto? No gaara?
U do realize Guy knows how to fight kakashi with sharingan NOT sasuke or any ms wielder? Not looking is certain death because they don't have to move in fact sasuke flys as I pointed out..
We don't know about all kakashi's other jutsu the same way we don't know what jutsu sasuke learned from orochimaru as he stated "there is nothing more for me to learn" or something like dat so bringing up 1000 jutsu means nothing + sasuke has the sharingan meaning he can learn or counter on the spot
Biju sage u picked a side without reviewing all the abilities from, both sides u didn't take in account fighting styles
Kakashi's lil pets do nothin at all to susanoo they have to get pass the hawk which I don't see happening
Guy's tiger is actually a punch meaning amaretsu + susanoo kills him
Sasuke can see kakashi hiding underground like, deidara's mines add great dragon fire or susanoo easily the ground is destroyed
Kumiu I explained but if u don't get it kakashi absorbs the first arrow as a distraction unknowingly the second arrow is already on its way
Guy is not as fast as A going off kisame (u people should really look at every aspect before picking sides ) amaretsu kills both kakashi hides underground amaretsu, the entire floor like itachi did how will any of them escape?
Kakashi's summons are tracking hounds...but as we've all seen they do more than tracking (ie Zabuza)....
Amaterasu again??? Let me tell you why Amaterasu is meaningless against Gai in ANY Gate,....Gai moves at least 20 times faster than Lee in his Gates and from what we all know, the Gates are all VERY HIGH SPEED TAIJUTSU MOVEMENTS....Kakashi couldn't keep up with Lee's speed during the Chunin exams, what makes you think Sasuke can keep up with Gai's???
You Fanboys are all the same...not getting the hint that anything that Sasuke does takes prep....including the bones for Susanoo. Are you seriously gonna compare Kakashi when he FIRST learned Kamui to the Kakashi now, who has far better mastery of it?? Kakashi warped an arrow at point blank range....and according to the databook...it's instant....there is no counter or defense for Kamui....so your whole argument about him being burned is null and void....
Prep time and Signs:
Amaterasu: Bleeding of the eyes
Susanoo: he can't move at high speeds so he has to concentrate and focus on getting it out.
Don't even think about Tsukyomi....Kakashi and Gai both know he's a Sharingan user...they'll never....NEVER look him in the eyes. He may have Itachis' eyes, but he doesn't have Itachis' skill of the finger...
U do realize sasuke fought hachibi? Better yet naruto? No gaara?
U do realize Guy knows how to fight kakashi with sharingan NOT sasuke or any ms wielder? Not looking is certain death because they don't have to move in fact sasuke flys as I pointed out..
We don't know about all kakashi's other jutsu the same way we don't know what jutsu sasuke learned from orochimaru as he stated "there is nothing more for me to learn" or something like dat so bringing up 1000 jutsu means nothing + sasuke has the sharingan meaning he can learn or counter on the spot
Biju sage u picked a side without reviewing all the abilities from, both sides u didn't take in account fighting styles
Now I'm really about to rip you a new one....He fought the Haichibi and damn NEAR DIED...Juugo saved his life....he faught against a sealed Kyuubi Naruto, and a VERY YOUNG Gaara......no match at all. Wanna see your boyfriend get raped by KM Naruto....Go ahead...Juugo isn't there to save him this time....Naruto coulf just TBB him into the next Afterlife......oh wait, let me guess....you think Susanoo is gonna save him??? When have you EVER SEEN Susanoo tank a TBB??? Sasuke doesn't have sword of Totsuka or Yata Mirror(like that would really make a difference because they don't carry speed feats)....So when he faces Naruto, which he will and if I know Kishi, PLOT NO JUTSU ALWAYS FAVOR the Uchiha....
The Sharingan is exactly what it is....only 2 people could put u in a genjutsu without you looking in their eyes....Sasuke isn't one of them....
So what happens when Kakashi Kamui's the bird summon?? Let me guess.....he'll sprout wings and fly away????....lol:sy::sy:
There is no way shape or form that Sasuke learned anywhere close to 100 jutsu's....If so, he wouldn't have struggled to fight Itachi....WHICH HE DID....Kirin?? Don't even do it to yourself....again...the prep alone would kill him...oh and that fact still stands out: IT NEVER KILLED ANYONE. A one trick pony that only destroyed the land around the caster and target....it didn't destroy Susanoo because Itachi lived...lol
Sasuke is weak...and the bigger factor is that he's fighting against 2 s-jounin, 1 was ANBU as a kid/teen, the other is just what he is....a BEAST.:scorps::scorps:
prep has never killed anyone in naruto. if sasuke does the fire dragon straight away in the fight, then he can slowly prepare it as hes fighting kakashi, then hit him with kirin after taking flight with his hawk summon
you think Susanoo is gonna save him??? When have you EVER SEEN Susanoo tank a TBB???
what if he does? kamui prolonged use kills kakashi. especially if hes already exhausted from everything else. it was too hard for him to warp deva's head away for example
Don't even do it to yourself....again...the prep alone would kill him...oh and that fact still stands out: IT NEVER KILLED ANYONE.
theres a weakness/risk to everything. kamui has never been used as it should (warping away someones skull and using that to end the fight). kakashi physically cant warp someones body away. theres a huge difference between that and an arrow/nail/missile
Don't even think about Tsukyomi....Kakashi and Gai both know he's a Sharingan user...they'll never....NEVER look him in the eyes.
but he didnt die. and he had only just recieved MS, and still was weakened from the itachi fight.
prep has never killed anyone in naruto. if sasuke does the fire dragon straight away in the fight, then he can slowly prepare it as hes fighting kakashi, then hit him with kirin after taking flight with his hawk summon
itachis incomplete version stopped kirin. TBB failed to kill suigetsu, failed to kill orochimaru, failed to kill naruto. its the most overrated jutsu.
what if he does? kamui prolonged use kills kakashi. especially if hes already exhausted from everything else. it was too hard for him to warp deva's head away for example
like i pointed out, neither has bijuudama or amaterasu.
and thats the biggest bullshit of all. why then did he defeat danzo, and hold off kakashi/naruto/sakura while near blind?
susano was activated near instantly in all cases. sasuke vs kakashi, itachi vs sasuke, itachi and jins vs nagato.
theres a weakness/risk to everything. kamui has never been used as it should (warping away someones skull and using that to end the fight). kakashi physically cant warp someones body away. theres a huge difference between that and an arrow/nail/missile
kakashi got hit with tsuki vs itachi IN SPITE OF him knowing about it.
Dude...you might wanna go take a look in the dadabook about Kamui.... the Haichibi's TBB destroyed Suigetsu, but the reason why he's alive is because of his ability. Sasuke wasn't still weak from his fight with Itachi...that's the biggest BS Uchiha sock sucking lie I've ever heard...Karin had healed him twice since then. Show your proof where that says he can't physically warp away anything. He's only shown and used it in a defensive manner. He physically warped away Deideras' final explosion..right??.....you don't get anymore physical than that....Kakashi intentionally got hit with it because it took the focus off Gai and Kurenai to help him if needed. He knew Gai would have probably died since he could defend against it with his Sharingan...:scorps:
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This is the databook on Kamui if you think I'm lying...
This Is The reasons I Think kakashi And Guy Will Win
kakashi 1.Smarts 2.Experience / Fighting Sasuke 3.Over 1000 Jutsu 4.Kamui 5.can Go Underground 6.Ms 7.Summoning/Tracking Fang Technique 8.Took On Tailed Beast
Note:Kakashi was Preparied To Take On Ms sasuke, Tobi, And Zestu at The The same Time, I'm not saying he was going To Win But He Was Calm And Now that Guy can Back Him up Sasuke's Done For
Guy 1. 8 Gates 2. kakashi backing him up 3.Speed 4.power 5.Hirudora 6.Asa Kujaku 7.Took On tailed beast
I'm Going To Start With Kakashi
1.You May Ask What Does This Have To Do With Anything... Well Kakashi Can Work Out A Plan In The Middle Of A Battle .. And The Plan Is Always Good Enough To Get The Job Done..Ex.. When Kakashi Was Fighting Edo Zabuza ..
2.You May Ask What Does This Have To Do With Anything.. Well kakashi Fought Sasuke And Kakashi Knows About Sasuke's Susanoo , And His Susanoo's Arrows
3.You May Ask What does Having 1000 Jutsu Do Good For You When You Don't Have The Chakra For It... I'm Not Sating He Has To Use Or Can use Every Jutsu I'm Just This Shows That He Have Lot's Of Jutsu In His Arsenal That Can Counter Sasuke's Jutsu With.
4.You May Ask How Can Kamui Help Kakashi .. Well Kakashi Can Just Kamui Sasuke And He's dead ..How Many Times Has Kakashi Missed ?
5.You May Ask What Does Going Underground Have Too Do With Anything.. Well How Can Sasuke Hit Kakashi While Hes Underground ? And Yet Kakashi can Easily Hit Sasuke While Hes Underground
6.You May Ask What Does This have To Do With Any Thing Sasuke Has E.M.S...Well This Just Shows How Much Kakashi Is Skilled With The Sharingan Being Able To Master It And Not even Even Being An Uchiha
7.You may say Sasuke Has Snakes and Hawks And What can Dogs Do To giant Snakes and Hawks .... Well Kakashi dogs Can Use Tracking Fang Technique And Bite Sasuke While Hes In His Susanoo
8. Kakashi Took On Tailed Beasts And was Able To Hold His Own , Now The Last Time Sasuke Tried To Take On A Tailed Beast ( Not Beasts ) He Was Beating Half To Death , And If It Was Not For Plot And Jugo ,Sasuke Would Be Dead Right Now.
Now It's Guy's Turn
1.8 Gates This It just Too Much For Sasuke...
2.Guy Has Kakashi Backing Him Up so While sasuke Is Focused With Guy Kakashi Can attack And Vise Versa
3.Guy's 6th And 7th Gate Speed Is Too Much For Sasuke He Can't See Him with His Eyes And He's Not Fast enough To Counter guy... ( This Is Where Sasuke's Susanoo Helps From getting Soloed By Guy Blaze release) Also Guys Speed In 6th Or 7th Gate Can Protect Kakashi .. How You Might Ask Well guy Can Punch/Kick Sasuke in 6th or 7th Gate Sending Him back And Stopping The Arrows From Being Fired
4.Guy's Power In 7th Gate Can break Sasuke's Susanoo, People Say Guy's 7th Gate could Not Kill Kisame!! But Guy Was Not Trying To Kill Him He Was Asked To Bring Him Back Alive So They Could Get Info Out Of Him..
5.What Can Sasuke Do To Counter Hirudora ? Nothing...
6.Asa Kujaku What Can Sasuke Do To Counter This?....Well Amaterasu Of Course But Asa Kujaku > Amaterasu .. Let Me Explain Amaterasu May Burn Everything Even Fire, But The Asa Kujaku Can Push The Amaterasu In The Other Direction
7.Guy Took On Tailed Beasts And was Able To Hold His Own , Now The Last Time Sasuke Tried To Take On A Tailed Beast ( Not Beasts ) He Was Beating Half To Death , And If It Was Not For Plot And Jugo ,Sasuke Would Be Dead Right Now.
Amaterasu Guy Can Counter With Asa Kujaku, Kakashi Can Counter With Doton
Sussano Kakashi And Guy Can Counter , Kakashi With His Summons (Tracking Fang Technique) And He Can Go Under Ground, Guy Counters With Speed ,power , Hirudora,Asa Kujaku
Genjutsu Kaksahi And Guy Can Counter This ( Kakashi's Eye ) And Also If Guy Gets Hit kakashi Can Break Him Out And Vise Verse
Kirin May Be The Only Problem , But Kakashi Can Go Underground And Guy Could Hirudora Sasuke Before He uses it Or Just kill Sasuke Before he Launches It ( kakashi Is Smart He's Going To Know That Sasuke Shoot Flame Into The Air For No reason ?) You Think Their Just Going To Let him Do That ? They Can See The Thunder Clouds And See His Chidori Pointing Up In The Sky
Chidori With Kakashi's raikiri He did Make Chidori After all , Guy Can Easily Counter That With Any Gate Move
When kakashi Uses Kamui What Can Sasuke Do To Counter This ?
Sasuke is on another level and reading this its obvious to tell that you are reaching.
Like you i will start with kakashi:
1. As soon as kakashi goes for kamui hes caught in a genjutsu.
2. The thing about the tracking dogs is funny lol the fact that u actually think the dogs can grab and bit on to sasuke while he is in susano is crazy. And if he has the black flames around it then after then match sasuke is gonna have some fried pups for super.
3. And you think that kakashi is gonna be able to doge ameratsu (sry for spelling) by going under ground? By the time kakshi is weaving handseals for the jutsu to go underground hes already on fire.
Now we can go to gai:
1. You act like gai can be in gates mode the whole match.
2. You think sasuke will stop the match and let gai and kakashi let eachother out of genjutsu while they are fighting?
3. Id like to see gai punch and kick sasuke when he has the black flames around susano.
4. asujaku better than amatrasu? pure speculation, not fact.
5. asukjaku can blow away amatrasu? how? Pure specualtion once again.
6. Sasuke was able to keep up with the raigake, who says the 7th gate is faster than the raikage? once again not fact.
Regardless if gai can doge amatrasu or not there is no way he is getting past susano with amatrasu around it.
Finally the thunder clap: They have no idea what it takes to prep that tech so you cant say just because they see him doing fire jutsu that they are gonna suspect some amazing lightning jutsu is about to happen.. for all they know its just another jutsu that they doge. By the time they see a chidori pointing up in the sky its over.
Now you can quit saying nobody has countered this.