Konohamaru chunin

[Shame]

My bad when he was fighting tobirama and hashirama he said you to brothers.

 

[Shame]

All those characters you named are chunin and I bet konohamaru could beat half of them. He took out deva path pain so how could he not be considered chunin level none. Of the other's took out a pain.

 

[Beta1]

Instead of double posting edit the first post you posted

 

[UzumakiNaruto20]

You don't get Chakra Natures just because you uncle/Grandpa had it.

Actually all the Uchiha's have fire style as their primary jutsu so it is implied that you can inherit them through genes.

 

[NLee]

You don't get Chakra Natures just because you uncle/Grandpa had it. And we don't know if Konohamaru's summon would be an ape. He probably doesn't even know how to do it yet. He do have Fire release. ( Only in the Anime )

Just clearing some stuff up.

I didn't say that chakra natures are strictly inherited nature for nature.

My point is Konohamaru is the very embodiment of Hiruzen's Will of Fire. Konohamaru getting Fire isn't some sort of KG where it's passed down in his genes with 100% certainty. But him getting it would fit in a sentimental/nostalgic sense. That's why him getting Fire is a must (cause both his predecessors had it) as well as Earth/Wind

Same thing for Apes. It just fits his character. That's all. And I didn't say he has it now. I said by the time he grows and matures to the point of becoming the 7th Hokage. It's the best fitting summon for Konohamaru. What else could we possible expect? Toads so he can be a cheap clone of Naruto? Doubtful



In fact, if I wasn't too lazy to debate a point right now I'd challenge you on the fact that all Uchihas have an affinity for Fire. How else do you explain this? A mere coincidence? I don't think so.

Chakra natures can be passed down, but there's always an exception that you can gain something different. That's all. Not to mention that you can have more than one which means you can have one that's inherited, and one that's not, for example. That can explain why Asuma has Fire (same as his father) but also Wind (something new).

All those characters you named are chunin and I bet konohamaru could beat half of them. He took out deva path pain so how could he not be considered chunin level none. Of the other's took out a pain.

My goodness...
Konohamaru didn't take out any of the Paths. Don't make it sound like he did it one on one. All he did was sucker punch one of them, and it wasn't even the Deva Path. It was the Nakara Path.

And no, Konohamaru can't beat any of the Chuunins. He's a fast learner but, like I said, he's still only a Genin.

 

[Shame]

I didn't say that chakra natures are strictly inherited nature for nature.

My point is Konohamaru is the very embodiment of Hiruzen's Will of Fire. Konohamaru getting Fire isn't some sort of KG where it's passed down in his genes with 100% certainty. But him getting it would fit in a sentimental/nostalgic sense. That's why him getting Fire is a must (cause both his predecessors had it) as well as Earth/Wind

Same thing for Apes. It just fits his character. That's all. And I didn't say he has it now. I said by the time he grows and matures to the point of becoming the 7th Hokage. It's the best fitting summon for Konohamaru. What else could we possible expect? Toads so he can be a cheap clone of Naruto? Doubtful



In fact, if I wasn't too lazy to debate a point right now I'd challenge you on the fact that all Uchihas have an affinity for Fire. How else do you explain this? A mere coincidence? I don't think so.

Chakra natures can be passed down, but there's always an exception that you can gain something different. That's all. Not to mention that you can have more than one which means you can have one that's inherited, and one that's not, for example. That can explain why Asuma has Fire (same as his father) but also Wind (something new).



My goodness...
Konohamaru didn't take out any of the Paths. Don't make it sound like he did it one on one. All he did was sucker punch one of them, and it wasn't even the Deva Path. It was the Nakara Path.

And no, Konohamaru can't beat any of the Chuunins. He's a fast learner but, like I said, he's still only a Genin.

So you think he didn't take out a pain because I know naruto said I heard you took out a pain using rasengan so enlighten me how he sucker punched him.
Also how can you say he can't beat a chunin him and kakashi were the only ones to take down a pain. Kakashi had help and konohamaru had a distraction so you are severely not giving him any credit.

 

[NLee]

So you think he didn't take out a pain because I know naruto said I heard you took out a pain using rasengan so enlighten me how he sucker punched him.
Also how can you say he can't beat a chunin him and kakashi were the only ones to take down a pain. Kakashi had help and konohamaru had a distraction so you are severely not giving him any credit.

Konohamaru didn't take down a Path because he did nothing except come out from hiding after comtemplating whether or not he should run away:

You must be registered for see links

You seem to want to give Konohamaru so much credit, but Konohamaru himself knew that he had no chance of winning if he went up against the Path himself. That's why he didn't want to come out. If Ebisu didn't come along he would have been caught and killed.

A sucker punch is, by definition, exactly what Konohamaru did. The Naraka Path was alone which means he was vulnerable to surprise attack. On top of that, the Naraka Path wasn't even fighting with the intent to kill. The fact that he wasn't taking Konohamaru seriously only reinforces that.

You make it sound like Konohamaru accomplished some sort of amazing feat when he didn't. An amazing feat would be if he squared off against one of the Paths in a clear 1v1 fight. That's not what happened here.

Do you honestly think the Naraka Path was being serious against him? He was toying with him:

You must be registered for see links

You must be registered for see links

You must be registered for see links

It's common sense that the Naraka Path wasn't fighting with the idea that Konohamaru was a real threat. Not to mention he was one of the 3 Paths whos primary objective was to collect intel, not kill. If the Naraka Path wanted to kill Konohamaru, then he could have the second he got his hands on him:

You must be registered for see links

The only reason Konohamaru survived was because the Naraka Path's mission wasn't to kill. It was to obtain intel.


Konohamaru has never been in a 1v1 fight, so no, he can't beat any of the Chuunins because he lacks all the experience and knowledge that they have. Even the weaker Chuunin like Tenten and Ino would be able to take Konohamaru at the level he is now. At least the Konoha 12 had special abilities (Sharingan, Bijuu, Hidden family techniques, extreme intelligence, etc). Konohamaru on the other hand has nothing. Until he grows up some more he is only a Genin.

 

[Shame]

What do you mean the naraka path wasn't trying to kill did you not see what happened to the shinobi after he grabbed them and got info they died so not having intent and just plain killing sorry but he was still gonna kill anybody he grabbed so him taking out naraka even if he was hiding he still did it you can't deny it.

 

[NLee]

What do you mean the naraka path wasn't trying to kill did you not see what happened to the shinobi after he grabbed them and got info they died so not having intent and just plain killing sorry but he was still gonna kill anybody he grabbed so him taking out naraka even if he was hiding he still did it you can't deny it.

Did you not read my post? I explained it already. His primary objective was to obtain intel. Only after that did he kill them...

He was trying to get intel from Konohamaru about Naruto's whereabouts. Not kill him. If the Naraka Path wanted Konohamaru dead, then he would have been the moment he got caught. I already said this.
What about this doesn't make sense to you?



So you're saying that if Konohamaru were to face off against Naraka Path again and if it was a straight up fight to the death, that Konohamaru would win? Is that what you're trying to say?

 

[Beta1]

For NLee
I'm sorry but Show me where it says that all uchihas have Fire Affinity! Please Do it!
They could just have taught their Young ones fire jutsus. We have no proof it's their Affinity and the chances of a whole clan having the same nature is very small!
Kakashi can use 4 chakra natures ( Probably all but we haven't seen wind ) But only one is his Affinity. As far as I know you can learn to control all natures if that's what you desire so it's possible it comes naturally to them without being their Affinity because they're in the land of fire? Makes sense to me. I'm just tired of people thinking affinity is something that is passed down and when i want proof they just say Uchiha. Maybe they're a one time exception or it's what i said above that it maybe just comes naturally to them.

Konohamaru could be lucky and get Ape summons if he uses Summoning jutsu without a contract ( Like Jiraiya ) And get teleported to them, but wouldn't it make more sense if he got Toad? Naruto could get him a contract and all.


P.S Konohamaru could never Kill a pain if it was a straight up fight to the death you're right.

 

[NLee]

For NLee
I'm sorry but Show me where it says that all uchihas have Fire Affinity! Please Do it!
They could just have taught their Young ones fire jutsus. We have no proof it's their Affinity and the chances of a whole clan having the same nature is very small!
Kakashi can use 4 chakra natures ( Probably all but we haven't seen wind ) But only one is his Affinity. As far as I know you can learn to control all natures if that's what you desire so it's possible it comes naturally to them without being their Affinity because they're in the land of fire? Makes sense to me. I'm just tired of people thinking affinity is something that is passed down and when i want proof they just say Uchiha. Maybe they're a one time exception or it's what i said above that it maybe just comes naturally to them.

Konohamaru could be lucky and get Ape summons if he uses Summoning jutsu without a contract ( Like Jiraiya ) And get teleported to them, but wouldn't it make more sense if he got Toad? Naruto could get him a contract and all.


P.S Konohamaru could never Kill a pain if it was a straight up fight to the death you're right.

It's tradition among the Uchiha Clan that a member does not become a man until he can successfully perform the Great Fireball Technique:

You must be registered for see links

Also look at that page again, the Fire Release is an Uchiha trait.

It's also said that it is a basic Uchiha technique:

You must be registered for see links

This implies that all Uchiha are able to do the technique. How else do you explain how that all Uchiha are able to use Fire Release? A coincidence? You can't use an element unless you have it, and the fact that the Uchiha are known for their Fire techniques is itself evidence.

It is also a known fact that the Uchiha crest represents the fanning of flames. They are a clan of Fire technique users.



The problem with Konohamaru getting a contract with the Toads is that he becomes a cheap imitation of Naruto. That's not what we need.

Konohamaru getting the Apes make much more sense. He diverges from Naruto while also carrying on his grandfather's legacy of wielding the Adamantine Nyou.

 

[Shame]

Did you not read my post? I explained it already. His primary objective was to obtain intel. Only after that did he kill them...

He was trying to get intel from Konohamaru about Naruto's whereabouts. Not kill him. If the Naraka Path wanted Konohamaru dead, then he would have been the moment he got caught. I already said this.
What about this doesn't make sense to you?



So you're saying that if Konohamaru were to face off against Naraka Path again and if it was a straight up fight to the death, that Konohamaru would win? Is that what you're trying to say?

Well he did take out naraka path it's in the manga nuff said I'm not arguing with something we have all seen done already.

 

[Shame]

Chapter 428 page 5,6 shows him beating naraka pain and he was never in danger of being killed he used shadow clones.

 

[Beta1]

It's tradition among the Uchiha Clan that a member does not become a man until he can successfully perform the Great Fireball Technique:

You must be registered for see links

Also look at that page again, the Fire Release is an Uchiha trait.

It's also said that it is a basic Uchiha technique:

You must be registered for see links

This implies that all Uchiha are able to do the technique. How else do you explain how that all Uchiha are able to use Fire Release? A coincidence? You can't use an element unless you have it, and the fact that the Uchiha are known for their Fire techniques is itself evidence.

It is also a known fact that the Uchiha crest represents the fanning of flames. They are a clan of Fire technique users.

That didn't really prove they all have fire Affinity.
People think affinity is something passed down but the only ''Proof'' they have is the Uchiha clan and that haven't been confirmed.

 

[NLee]

That didn't really prove they all have fire Affinity.
People think affinity is something passed down but the only ''Proof'' they have is the Uchiha clan and that haven't been confirmed.

How does the fact that the Uchiha Clan being a clan of Fire users not show that they had an affinity for Fire? Performing the Great Fireball technique was a rite of passage from adolescence into adulthood in the Uchiha community. They wouldn't establish such a thing if not all members could inherit Fire Release. This implies that having Fire Release as their main nature was their trait. In fact, it was a trait of the Uchihas. It said so as clear as day in the link in my previous post. I don't know how much more clear this has to be.

What else would you suggest? That the fact that all Uchihas had Fire Release was just one massive coincidence?

 

[Beta1]

How does the fact that the Uchiha Clan being a clan of Fire users not show that they had an affinity for Fire? Performing the Great Fireball technique was a rite of passage from adolescence into adulthood in the Uchiha community. They wouldn't establish such a thing if not all members could inherit Fire Release. This implies that having Fire Release as their main nature was their trait. In fact, it was a trait of the Uchihas. It said so as clear as day in the link in my previous post. I don't know how much more clear this has to be.

What else would you suggest? That the fact that all Uchihas had Fire Release was just one massive coincidence?

No one ever said '' All Uchiha's can use Great fireball jutsu ''
They said it was their Manhood test or whatever. Who said you can't fail?
Maybe there were a lot of normal people in the uchiha clan ( By normal i mean People who wasn't ninjas ) That we haven't seen because they wasn't important.
That bottom line is there is no prove that every uchiha actually passed the test because they couldn't use it and it haven't been proven Affinity is something passed down. When the manga states Nature affinity is passed down you'll have proof and i'll be wrong.

 

[NLee]

No one ever said '' All Uchiha's can use Great fireball jutsu ''
They said it was their Manhood test or whatever. Who said you can't fail?
Maybe there were a lot of normal people in the uchiha clan ( By normal i mean People who wasn't ninjas ) That we haven't seen because they wasn't important.
That bottom line is there is no prove that every uchiha actually passed the test because they couldn't use it and it haven't been proven Affinity is something passed down. When the manga states Nature affinity is passed down you'll have proof and i'll be wrong.

The problem here is not everything has to be spelled out for us letter by letter in order to be understood. You're argument is that until it's bluntly stated that "all Uchiha had an affinity for Fire" in those exact words it isn't true, which is nothing more than a denial to accept the facts that are already given to us. Plain and simple.

The manga has already clearly stated that:

• The manipulation of Fire was an Uchiha trait:
  
  You must be registered for see links
  
  (In actuality this is all I even need to prove my point)
• The Uchiha crest itself was a symbol of the fanning of flames.
• The rite of passage for the Uchiha was the successful use of the Great Fireball technique.
  You do not establish a tradition like this if not all Uchiha members had the chance of passing. That's the definition of what a rite of passage is - something that is done to rise to adulthood. You cannot automatically fail a "rite of passage". That defeats the entire purpose of the concept.

By these facts alone you can logically infer that all Uchihas had Fire Release.

You have not provided a shred of evidence to counter the manga page references I've posted which come directly from Kishi. I can respect if you want to argue against it, but you haven't even given any solid support for your claim. Debating a fact is fine, but when the only counter you have is that it isn't stated in the manga word for word, then the discussion really doesn't go anywhere