SM Naruto & Kazekage Gaara vs Orochimaru & Kimimaro
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Sage of Seven Swords
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Oro is pretty much untouchable, I mean no matter how many times he died, he just freakishly jumps out another snakes mouth -_-
Also, the discussion is on SM Naruto, not on 4 tails naruto, thus making your argument invalid :/
This is a beast match up btw! It would be hard to tell because there are just so many variations that this battle can take
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Murdenator
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It's true Orochimaru would be pretty hard to kill. I mean, he's extremely intelligent, i'm sure he would have some tricks up his sleeve. And as for the FRS weakening Kimimaro's bones, we aren't sure what the FRS does to him yet so we can't say that would weaken them.
And thanks for the support guys! Based on the first posts I thought people were just gonna make this a one-sided fight :sy:
And thanks for the support guys!
Based on the first posts I thought people were just gonna make this a one-sided fight :sy:
Drakengard
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I don't think the Bracken dance would kill anybody in this by itself (which is also good since Orochimaru won't get killed either). SM Naruto won't get pierced due to the natural defense that SM offers, Orochimaru can just Oral Rebirth if stabbed by one of the bones, and Gaara can still ride on his sand (I don't see why it would appear out of the sand he's standing on, Kimimaro would have just stabbed him with a bone back than if that were the case).
Plus SM Naruto would be able to sense a surprise attack if Kimimaro tries one afterwards.
Plus SM Naruto would be able to sense a surprise attack if Kimimaro tries one afterwards.
Murdenator
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What do you mean natural defense SM offers? I don't see how SM would protect him from being stabbed by a bone. And I said he might be able to do that Bracken Dance on Gaara's platform. I don't see why he couldn't, last time he did it he was buried in sand, so why wouldn't he be able to do it on the sand? He didn't do it before because he was on the verge of dying when he used that attack, I doubt he had enough strength left to do it again even if he wanted to.
And even if Naruto does sense Kimimaro's surprise attack, it's been shown that the only thing that could block Kimimaro's spear was Shukaku's Shield, and that took time to make. I don't think Gaara would react fast enough and create his ultimate defense in time.
FRS would probably be their only hope of beating Kimimaro, if it actually does anything, and idk how the hell they're gonna beat Orochimaru with all those random jutsu he pulls out of his ass :shrug:
Drakengard
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It's like how he
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the giant drop + spikes while training Sage Mode. Can't people just hang onto the bones coming up either way? They should be able to hold on using chakra control. Plus the databook says that they come from underground, so I don't think it's a viable option. Gaara saw this technique before so he knows what to expect too.It just seems that FRS is a good jutsu to use on Orochimaru, since it would destroy the chakra network attached to each of his cells. Remember that Sage Mode was what Orochimaru wanted to achieve for so long, so it's acceptable from a literary stand-point that SM Naruto has the potential to beat Orochimaru at least.
Murdenator
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Yes that was a pretty nasty fall, but it seems like the spikes broke. I don't see Kimimaro's bones breaking anytime soon. Correct me if i'm wrong, but didn't Pain stab Naruto in the hands with his rods while he was in SM? If that's true, then I see no reason why bones couldn't do the same.
And yes you're probably right, he would be able to hold onto them, but that would still put him in a dangerous situation since Kimimaro can manipulate bones in many different ways.
As for the Bracken Dance, when he used it, he was underground. So does that mean he can only use it underground? :shrug: I think it would work on any surface but I have no proof so I guess that can't be an option. Even if he couldn't use it on Gaara's sand, Naruto and Gaara would still be at a huge disadvantage as they're surrounded by bones and have limited space to fight on.
As for Orochimaru, it's true he wanted to achieve SM, but that doesn't mean he needs it to surpass Naruto. For all we know, he could have been stronger than Naruto, and only needed SM to become even more powerful. It's true FRS can deal with Orochimaru, but remember, he only has limited time and chakra in SM. I guess it all comes down to Naruto outsmarting Orochimaru (but I don't see that happening, with all the tricks Orochimaru would have up his sleeve).
Don't underestimate Orochimaru's arsenal of jutsu. Remember, he has the Five Elements Seal which can be used to stop all chakra flow. If that lands a hit, Naruto is screwed. Same goes for FRS and Orochimaru, but he has all his summons that can tank the FRS. And if worst comes to worse, Orochimaru always has his white snake form thing. I don't know if that's dangerous, but it sure as hell looks like it is
I just don't see Naruto outsmarting Orochimaru in this situation...
And remember, the rules stated that Naruto only has 2 clones for gathering nature chakra, he can't make any more.
But I do agree SM Naruto definitely has the potential to beat Orochimaru.
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Murdenator
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Let's leave Pain out of this and focus on Naruto & Gaara vs Orochimaru & Kimimaro.
KazekageDaichi
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No man you don't believe what you're saying.The only difference between sick Kimimaro and healthy Kimimaro is that he would last a little bit more.Healthy Kimimaro=Gaara kazekage? lol no.
Your retort is what's invalid, as previously stated, Naruto only starts in SM, what's stopping him from going to BM and completely wrecking sh*t?Oro is pretty much untouchable, I mean no matter how many times he died, he just freakishly jumps out another snakes mouth -_-
Also, the discussion is on SM Naruto, not on 4 tails naruto, thus making your argument invalid :/
This is a beast match up btw! It would be hard to tell because there are just so many variations that this battle can take
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Murdenator
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Do you have proof that sick Kimimaro only has less endurance than healthy Kimimaro? If someone is sick and dying, they're obviously gonna have less endurance, but they're attacks will also be weakened...
Ex: A sick Kimimaro wouldn't be able to put the same effort into an attack than a healthy Kimimaro.
Yeah sure thats why Gaara didnt try sealing madara back then when he didnt kno it was a clone.
Dude Gaara just mixes sealing tags with his sand to seal edos he proved it against Madara and the revived Kages
Naruto just needs to hit Orochimaru with a Frog Kata punch them Gaara seals him, he'll go to his Eight headed snake form to escape the sealing then Naruto shreds him to pieces with Rasenshuriken then Gaara seals whatever's left.
As for Kimimaro, Gaara will simply surround him with sand and seal him instead of crushing him and his final dance will mean nothing as Gaara can fly and carry Naruto as well. This battle is really easy.
As for Kimimaro, Gaara will simply surround him with sand and seal him instead of crushing him and his final dance will mean nothing as Gaara can fly and carry Naruto as well. This battle is really easy.
Murdenator
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So according to your explanation Gaara can just seal anyone and win with no problems whatsoever. So Gaara vs. Anyone equals easy win because of sealing? If Orochimari can escape with his snake form then I'm pretty damn sure Kimimaro can in CC2 form.
Sage mode Naruto > Orochimaru
Current Gaara > Healthy Kimmimaro
If healthy Kimmimaro was fighting part 1 Gaara than he would win without much difficulty though because he was gravely sick which is a massive disadvantage.
Current Gaara > Healthy Kimmimaro
If healthy Kimmimaro was fighting part 1 Gaara than he would win without much difficulty though because he was gravely sick which is a massive disadvantage.
