Kishi screwed up Big time

[Unorthodox]

This is only an assumption but I think Hashirama would be much better at using his powers. Madara didn't have them for long before dying, and he seemed to be getting used to them while he was first summoned

if i muti post im sorry but why are you sleeping on rinnegan i hate when people say he could be better so nagato can hold his own against the five kages to rinnegan is stronger than both ems and his wood style dont sleep on the rinnegan ever

 

[Kazekage35]

How exactly would harashima be freed like itachi? in fact the only reason itachi was freed was because Shisui gengutsu was activated when itachi activated MS. So while that fight would be interresting I don't see it happening, and just be patient and let things play out we have no idea how kishi is going to rap this up only speculation. I'm gonna wait till he's done to comment on whether he did a good job ending it or not.

Ya I know how Itachi was freed, the Protect Konoha order from Shisui's KA BUT also remember that jutsu, although there is a regeneration time, can be used more than once. Instead of destroying it, Itachi could have waited for it to recover and then used it on Hashirama

if i muti post im sorry but why are you sleeping on rinnegan i hate when people say he could be better so nagato can hold his own against the five kages to rinnegan is stronger than both ems and his wood style dont sleep on the rinnegan ever

I'm not sleeping on the Rinnegan, I never said Hashirama would ever win either. I just think it would be much more interesting, especially considering there relationship is like Naruto and Sasukes

 

[Unorthodox]

Ya I know how Itachi was freed, the Protect Konoha order from Shisui's KA BUT also remember that jutsu, although there is a regeneration time, can be used more than once. Instead of destroying it, Itachi could have waited for it to recover and then used it on Hashirama



I'm not sleeping on the Rinnegan, I never said Hashirama would ever win either. I just think it would be much more interesting, especially considering there relationship is like Naruto and Sasukes

hashi would be getting owned like the rest of the kages

 

[UKCmasterkeybladeninja]

why these people say hashirama will lose to madara because he will have hashi's abilities dont u think why would kabuto put hashirama cells in madara if he had hashirama himself? doesnt make any sense so u cant say hashi vs madara with hashi cell kabuto wouldnt do it if he had hashi himself

 

[NLee]

Hiruzen vs Oro... For a fight containing 4 of the best shinobi in leaf history (including the edo hashi and tobirama) I think it's safe to say this fight was no where near its potential. If kishi would have kept the Edo's out of it the war could have been much more interesting!
Imagine if Kabuto brought back Hashirama (Hiruzen never would have sealed him) and he somehow was broken free so he was like Itachi. Instead of the 5 kage getting wrecked by Madara we could finally witness Hashirama vs. Madara. I think this would have been much more interesting, and also could have freed up some space for the 5 Kage to possibly fight tobi, and Naruto and Sasuke fight.

Who thinks this would have been a better way for the war to happen?

Clearly that battle was downplayed by today's standards, but that was almost 10 years ago give or take. Yes people, it has been that long.

I doubt that Kishi predicted how skewed the power scales would become by this point. Back then, what we witnessed was a Kage level battle, at at the time we were all pumped by it. It's only when we think back after having seen what we've seen that we think it was a bad battle.

If Kishi made the Hiruzen vs Orochimaru battle as intense as the battles nowadays it would have screwed up the manga because we would have been disappointed with every single battle afterwards. He did the best he could

 

[Kazekage35]

Clearly that battle was downplayed, but that was almost 10 years ago give or take. Yes people, it has been that long.

I doubt that Kishi predicted how skewed the power scales would become by this point. Back then, what we witnessed was a Kage level battle, at at the time we were all pumped by it. It's only when we think back after having seen what we've seen that we think it was a bad battle.

If Kishi made the Hiruzen vs Orochimaru battle as intense as the battles nowadays it would have screwed up the manga because we would have been disappointed with every single battle afterwards. He did the best he could

Nooo that fight was 3 years ago. Naruto was 13, not 6, when it occurred

 

[Unorthodox]

why these people say hashirama will lose to madara because he will have hashi's abilities dont u think why would kabuto put hashirama cells in madara if he had hashirama himself? doesnt make any sense so u cant say hashi vs madara with hashi cell kabuto wouldnt do it if he had hashi himself

no cause madara is his perfect edo

 

[NLee]

Nooo that fight was 3 years ago. Naruto was 13, not 6, when it occurred

I'm talking about in real time. Naruto has been out since 1999, meaning it's been running for 13 years.

 

[Kazekage35]

I'm talking about in real time. Naruto has been out since 1999, meaning it's been running for 13 years.

Oh, well know it hasn't been 10 years either. It occurred when I was in 5th grade and now I'm in 11th so about 7 years

 

[kayodes]

No cause Hashirama vs Edo Madara
Hashirama would get his ass kicked

not necessarily.......he knows his powers bttr than madara but more importantly madara doesn't kno uzumaki sealing techs like hashirama surely dud(this is a given with mito as his wife) so in a fight of zombie immortal ninjas the one with best sealing tech wins.

 

[KAGE RYUU]

I'm talking about in real time. Naruto has been out since 1999, meaning it's been running for 13 years.

not only was it downplayed hasirama was not the one fighting oro was remeber he said he was being forced to fight his comrade so that mean oro was in control but madara has his own free will as kabuto knows he would luv a shot at the leaf and joint shinobi forces

and again @Kazekage35 how goes the thread biting buisness

also lemme own ya jus a lil bit for nlee

The Naruto manga first came out in Shonen Jump in 1999. It's based on a one-shot Kishmoto made. The one-shot came out in August 1997.

and its now what 2012 so ya 13 years try again

 

[Orochimaruwantsyourbody]

Prime Hiruzen >EMS Madara​

 

[Unorthodox]

not necessarily.......he knows his powers bttr than madara but more importantly madara doesn't kno uzumaki sealing techs like hashirama surely dud(this is a given with mito as his wife) so in a fight of zombie immortal ninjas the one with best sealing tech wins.

are forgetting a rinnegan can rip your soul out of your body as i remember thats how he died the 1st time as an edo and get all your facts before posting and same me the corrections

 

[NLee]

Oh, well know it hasn't been 10 years either. It occurred when I was in 5th grade and now I'm in 11th so about 7 years

It's a fact that Naruto was first published in 1999. It's 2012 now. That's 13 years. It doesn't matter what grade you were in when it first came out. What matters if the date it was published.

 

[Kazekage35]

It's a fact that Naruto was first published in 1999. It's 2012 now. That's 13 years. It doesn't matter what grade you were in when it first came out. What matters if the date it was published.

I was talking about the anime, my bad

 

[Unorthodox]

get back on the subject who cares when it came out 19 members are viewing this i would like to see this in hottest

 

[NLee]

get back on the subject who cares when it came out 19 members are viewing this i would like to see this in hottest

Well then. Back to the topic, the Hiruzen vs Orochimaru fight was only disappointing by today's standards

I mean, since that fight what else have we seen? We've seen:

• Sannin Three-Way
• Jiraiya vs Pain
• Itachi vs Sasuke
• All the Akatsuki battles
• Naruto vs Pain

The list goes on. It's only because we've seen such intense fights afterwards that the Hiruzen vs Orochimaru fight seems so disappointing. My point is, back then it was a Kage level fight and we all enjoyed it.

The power scales have shifted since then which is why when we look back to it it seems so weak.

If Kishi made that fight as high scale as some of the other hardcore battles we've seen in Part 2, then it would have ruined the manga.

 

[Unorthodox]

Well then. Back to the topic, the Hiruzen vs Orochimaru fight was only disappointing by today's standards

I mean, since that fight what else have we seen? We've seen:

• Sannin Three-Way
• Jiraiya vs Pain
• Itachi vs Sasuke
• All the Akatsuki battles
• Naruto vs Pain

The list goes on. It's only because we've seen such intense fights afterwards that the Hiruzen vs Orochimaru fight seems so disappointing. My point is, back then it was a Kage level fight and we all enjoyed it.

The power scales have shifted since then which is why when we look back to it it seems so weak.

If Kishi made that fight as high scale as some of the other hardcore battles we've seen in Part 2, then it would have ruined the manga.

nope sasuke and naruto fight and part 1 was the best and i doubt any fight cant even come close to naruto vs pein stop trying to use the plot as the advantage and this thread hashi and hiruzen all hyped ninja thats all

 

[Kazekage35]

Well then. Back to the topic, the Hiruzen vs Orochimaru fight was only disappointing by today's standards

I mean, since that fight what else have we seen? We've seen:

• Sannin Three-Way
• Jiraiya vs Pain
• Itachi vs Sasuke
• All the Akatsuki battles
• Naruto vs Pain

The list goes on. It's only because we've seen such intense fights afterwards that the Hiruzen vs Orochimaru fight seems so disappointing. My point is, back then it was a Kage level fight and we all enjoyed it.

The power scales have shifted since then which is why when we look back to it it seems so weak.

If Kishi made that fight as high scale as some of the other hardcore battles we've seen in Part 2, then it would have ruined the manga.

True, but When you have a fight that contains an almost immortal sannin, and 3 kage I would expect it to be better. I mean, I would say Sasuke and Naruto vs. Haku was better than that

 

[Unorthodox]

True, but When you have a fight that contains an almost immortal sannin, and 3 kage I would expect it to be better. I mean, I would say Sasuke and Naruto vs. Haku was better than that

you lied madara would reck hashi now edere way it go