Madara Uchiha and Hashirama Senju Overrated

[Prince Charles]

ehh.. everyone is entitled to their opinions bro even if is troll like. U_U plus everyone is overrated except for ino

 

[MrLukyso]

No. Madara is the one who's toying with the 5 Kages, he is not even using full power of EMS not to talk about the power of Rinnegan lol.. He's totally toying because Kishi wants to show what Kages can do, since we know what madara can really do. Hashirama ? He's a fairy tale, he was called the strongest shinobi by the Madara Uchiha which proves what he was. Tsunade is pathetic Shinobi, all she can do is do nothing, she couldn't even protect the Leaf from Pain, she had to be helped by Naruto. Madara and Hashirama is the strongest shinobies. They're not overated, Hashirama is ten times more powerfull than Tsuande and he's tsunade with Mokuton what the heck ? Tsunade is probably the weakest Kage ever was ? Madara and Hashirama are the Legends. Anyone who has EMS, Rinnegan, Izanagi and is called the strongest Uchiha can be overated.. And no one called the Fairy tale, the strongest shinobi can be overated, get the **** out hater, I saw you always typing things to Hate Hashi and Madara, no one probably can solo them.

 

[Tazzilla88]

No. Madara is the one who's toying with the 5 Kages, he is not even using full power of EMS not to talk about the power of Rinnegan lol.. He's totally toying because Kishi wants to show what Kages can do, since we know what madara can really do. Hashirama ? He's a fairy tale, he was called the strongest shinobi by the Madara Uchiha which proves what he was. Tsunade is pathetic Shinobi, all she can do is do nothing, she couldn't even protect the Leaf from Pain, she had to be helped by Naruto. Madara and Hashirama is the strongest shinobies. They're not overated, Hashirama is ten times more powerfull than Tsuande and he's tsunade with Mokuton what the heck ? Tsunade is probably the weakest Kage ever was ? Madara and Hashirama are the Legends. Anyone who has EMS, Rinnegan, Izanagi and is called the strongest Uchiha can be overated.. And no one called the Fairy tale, the strongest shinobi can be overated, get the **** out hater, I saw you always typing things to Hate Hashi and Madara, no one probably can solo them.

LMAO you're funny. Yes, because he says he's toying with the kages. Firstly he has no paths. Secondly he died shortly after acquiring the Rinnegan so I doubt he can use it with total proficiency. How is Hashirama different to Tsunade besides Mokuton? Please tell me. and Please tell me how she's weak or the weakest hokage. What power did Minato have against gravity? What power did Tobirama have against gravity? What power did Sarutobi have against gravity? What power did hashirama have against gravity. If any kage were in situation the same thing would have happened. You can't just say he has Izanagi otherwise he'd only have one functioning eye. You're assuming he has Izanagi.
And in regards to fairy tales. The giant squid for many years was considered a fairy tale by the name of a Kraken. However when it was discovered to actually exists. The myths surrounding it were exaggerated. Or another myth blown out of proportion and distorted . Medieval art often depicted Unicorns having a goat's body. However society deemed goats bad and it became a horses body. The thing about Fairy tales is that they can bend the truth. So if he was considered a fairy tale who knows how the fairy tale compared to the original man. St. Nicholas is considered a fairy tale. But he is a real man that lived and yet is much different than the Notion of Santa Claus. So tell me again why a fairy tale can't be overrated? And by the way I do like Hashirama. And no I doubt like Madara because he's an ass and his attempt at lowering morale isn't working.

 

[MrLukyso]

Madara has the Paths, he showed us one allready. He has Izanagi, Uchiha + Senju Hashirama power that he obtained from fight at the valley of the end .. Grants the Izanagi dude, dont be the man that hates the facts. Don't compare Nicholas with Hashirama senju, Real world with Cartono are you sucha nolifer dude ? Madara and Hashirama Senju are the strongest ninjas, if Madara wanted he could've killed those kages easily, look at the manga, he hand't shown us any of EMS or Rinnegan power. Get the **** out of here you bastard, you are getting on my nerves seriously.. Talking shits all over the base.

 

[Tazzilla88]

I meant Madara has no external paths. Are we now saying that Nagato had powers of his own accord? That all of his powers came only from the Rinnegan. Then please tell me why each path only had on ability? (Don't even think about saying he wasn't as proficient with it as Madara because he had his for quite a while and had the majority of his lifetime to gain experience with it. Whereas Madara received his just before his death.) I think you and I realize that when we apply actual logic your argument falls apart. So much so that you resort to ad-hominem. While me being a bastard is irrelevant. You don't really back up your argument. Who says he could've killed them all by now. Except him? Tsunade didn't think he would kill her. And despite his efforts he didn't. You are obviously fooled by his strategy even though he's stated that was his strategy. You're wrong he hasn't shown us any EMS power? Susanoo? Yasaka Magatama? No eye bleeding. And No blindness . This is all we know about EMS at this time we don't know if it really grants you another huge power-up as taking away the negatives from using those MS techniques is a pretty huge benefit. Why are they the strongest ninja independent of each other? I really fail to realize though why you bothered to star out the word **** then said I'm talking shits. That just fails to make logical sense. So you not only fail to apply logic on the manga but also in real life situations. And why should I care if I am getting on your nerves. The fact remains you are quite often wrong. Beyond that I will now say if he hasn't used it he doesn't have it. We can't just make assumptions. Assumptions are a large part of your argument. So show me proof from the manga for every claim you make and if you're facts are solid I'll concede those points.

 

[MadaraHashirama]

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[Tazzilla88]

If we want to make assumptions I'm going to assume Tsunade has a sage mode and she will pwn Madara every which way while Raikage turns into pure lightening a blitzes Madara. Then because Mei has water and earth releases she will start to use Mokuton on Madara. Then Gaara will attack him with Gold and Sand. Then Oonoki will sit on him while he's super heavy and he will be sealed. You see how assumptions fail big time.

 

[MrLukyso]

I meant Madara has no external paths. Are we now saying that Nagato had powers of his own accord? That all of his powers came only from the Rinnegan. Then please tell me why each path only had on ability? (Don't even think about saying he wasn't as proficient with it as Madara because he had his for quite a while and had the majority of his lifetime to gain experience with it. Whereas Madara received his just before his death.) I think you and I realize that when we apply actual logic your argument falls apart. So much so that you resort to ad-hominem. While me being a bastard is irrelevant. You don't really back up your argument. Who says he could've killed them all by now. Except him? Tsunade didn't think he would kill her. And despite his efforts he didn't. You are obviously fooled by his strategy even though he's stated that was his strategy. You're wrong he hasn't shown us any EMS power? Susanoo? Yasaka Magatama? No eye bleeding. And No blindness . This is all we know about EMS at this time we don't know if it really grants you another huge power-up as taking away the negatives from using those MS techniques is a pretty huge benefit. Why are they the strongest ninja independent of each other? I really fail to realize though why you bothered to star out the word **** then said I'm talking shits. That just fails to make logical sense. So you not only fail to apply logic on the manga but also in real life situations. And why should I care if I am getting on your nerves. The fact remains you are quite often wrong. Beyond that I will now say if he hasn't used it he doesn't have it. We can't just make assumptions. Assumptions are a large part of your argument. So show me proof from the manga for every claim you make and if you're facts are solid I'll concede those points.

Yes, Nagato couldn't master the Rinnegan, because he's not an uchiha, and not an uchiha in terms of dojutsu is not skilled enough to master it, like Kakashi or Danzo, not enough proofs ? Well Nagato was able to use all Rinnegan abilities he could only by using 6 pains, but Madara can do all of them by himself in a single body, that's the diference between Uchiha and Uzumaki in Rinnegan. I will repeat myself no one with powers of EMS, Rinnegan and Experience like Madaras can be overated, same goes for Hashirama, no one called fairy tale, the strongest shinobi who had strongest regeneration jutsu ever in Narutoverse and the strongets element Mokuton can be overated. They're not overated, the one most overated is Itachi and Hiruzen just admit it. PEACE man, I'm not saying that there aren't any other good ninjas, but those two are ones of the best.

 

[TrollingSage]

Yes, Nagato couldn't master the Rinnegan, because he's not an uchiha, and not an uchiha in terms of dojutsu is not skilled enough to master it, like Kakashi or Danzo, not enough proofs ? Well Nagato was able to use all Rinnegan abilities he could only by using 6 pains, but Madara can do all of them by himself in a single body, that's the diference between Uchiha and Uzumaki in Rinnegan. I will repeat myself no one with powers of EMS, Rinnegan and Experience like Madaras can be overated, same goes for Hashirama, no one called fairy tale, the strongest shinobi who had strongest regeneration jutsu ever in Narutoverse and the strongets element Mokuton can be overated. They're not overated, the one most overated is Itachi and Hiruzen just admit it. PEACE man, I'm not saying that there aren't any other good ninjas, but those two are ones of the best.

Uhm Idk what manga you're reading but Nagato could use all the paths' techs himself. The only reason he was using the paths cos his body was paralyzed.

 

[MadaraHashirama]

If we want to make assumptions I'm going to assume Tsunade has a sage mode and she will pwn Madara every which way while Raikage turns into pure lightening a blitzes Madara. Then because Mei has water and earth releases she will start to use Mokuton on Madara. Then Gaara will attack him with Gold and Sand. Then Oonoki will sit on him while he's super heavy and he will be sealed. You see how assumptions fail big time.

What you are doing is saying things that are false, what most of these other people here are saying is actual truth.
Infact, these 2 guys are the strongest of the strongest clans and are descendants of the sons of Rikudo Sennin

I'm very certain that they deserve the praise they're getting but sometimes I gotta agree with you, therefore don't blame the character, blame their fanboys.

 

[Wakizashi]

if madara is overrated then why is the 5 kages is having a hard time defeating him

 

[Tazzilla88]

Yes, Nagato couldn't master the Rinnegan, because he's not an uchiha, and not an uchiha in terms of dojutsu is not skilled enough to master it, like Kakashi or Danzo, not enough proofs ? Well Nagato was able to use all Rinnegan abilities he could only by using 6 pains, but Madara can do all of them by himself in a single body, that's the diference between Uchiha and Uzumaki in Rinnegan. I will repeat myself no one with powers of EMS, Rinnegan and Experience like Madaras can be overated, same goes for Hashirama, no one called fairy tale, the strongest shinobi who had strongest regeneration jutsu ever in Narutoverse and the strongets element Mokuton can be overated. They're not overated, the one most overated is Itachi and Hiruzen just admit it. PEACE man, I'm not saying that there aren't any other good ninjas, but those two are ones of the best.

I didn't deny that they were powerful. But people seem to view them as invincible and that is overrating. By far. As I pointed out in my Original post every move we've seen has been countered. Even Hashirama's.

 

[MrLukyso]

Because we haven't seen all of Hashirama or Madara power dude. I agree that Fire style was countered because Suiton > Katon it's basics.. And Mei is a Kage still she has a huge chakra pool. If Madara would go hard on them they will be raped, they go 1v5 and still can't do anything, but someone might say that only Edo form saves madara ? No He's doing it to have fun, he can easily absorb anything trown at him or just dodge/deffend with susanoo coverd with Amaterasu only if kishi would want to. He's simply showing what Kages can do, and they don't want them to be beaten so easily.

 

[OWanime]

we don't see enough of hashirama though so he's only overrated by speculation while we've seen madara and know several people alive now can beat him not counting dead (itachi, etc.) xd

 

[Tazzilla88]

if madara is overrated then why is the 5 kages is having a hard time defeating him

Because this isn't Madara in his prime.
Madara in his prime only had EMS
Madara in his prime did not have Mokuton.
I swear if you had read the original post I covered that already. What they are facing is EMS Madara (prime)+ Hashirama+Nagato (as Madara couldn't use Rinnegan in his prime but only shortly before his death) Which means this fight is essentially three on 5. I listed out the techniques EMS non-Edo Madara could've used. With those he would've already lost. Beyond that he would have died already if not for being an Edo. Being able to seal someone requires more than being able to beat them.

 

[TheSages456]

Because this isn't Madara in his prime.
Madara in his prime only had EMS
Madara in his prime did not have Mokuton.
I swear if you had read the original post I covered that already. What they are facing is EMS Madara (prime)+ Hashirama+Nagato (as Madara couldn't use Rinnegan in his prime but only shortly before his death) Which means this fight is essentially three on 5. I listed out the techniques EMS non-Edo Madara could've used. With those he would've already lost. Beyond that he would have died already if not for being an Edo. Being able to seal someone requires more than being able to beat them.

do you know what prime means? it means the point in life you were at your strongest. prime madara had ems+rinnegan and hashiramas dna. he may not have had mokuton though. so what kabuto means by putting madara past his prime strength is madara has ems+rinnegan+mokuton in his youth where he would be more mobile and have higher chakra levels.

 

[Tazzilla88]

He was fighting Hashirama in his prime. The fact that he died shortly after achieving the Rinnegan would indicate he was either old which means his techniques weren't as potent, sick which means the same thing, or weak as would've been killed. Either way that is not him in his prime. Logically he couldn't have been in his prime when he recieved rinnegan.

 

[Bijuu13]

so i read it and i noticed you made the point that weve only seen about 5 techs from hashirama and we think he is the strongest . Now tell me, what exactly did hiruzen do that impressed you ?

 

[Tazzilla88]

so i read it and i noticed you made the point that weve only seen about 5 techs from hashirama and we think he is the strongest . Now tell me, what exactly did hiruzen do that impressed you ?

Hiruzen has not impressed me. But I cannot argue with the databook that I quoted on page one in one of my comments.

 

[Yondaime Namikaze]

Alright now for a very easy counter argument
If it was one on one none of the kages would be alive and further more we haven't seen anything from the 1st to conclude that those are all his jutsu
They are powerful and deserve their praise , these 2 were the strongest in a time of constant wars