"Hate" does not mean "evil"

[MilwaukeegHost]

I have been thinking to make a thread like this for a while regarding Sasuke's mindset about hatred and how justified it is.

My point here is it depends about what kind of hate it is and it is okay if it is pure "genuine" kind of hate.

If the hate is caused by the pain of loss, then you are destined to succeed - Gohan Super Kamehameha against Cell confirms this one.

That hate is caused by the loss of his father Goku due to Cell, which reasonable and justified - This is exactly what's Sasuke's hate. He lost his family and clan due to the elders and Danzo and he wants to destroy them.

But if the hate is caused by petty reasons like jealousy "I hate the guy because he is better than me" (Naruto hated Sasuke because of this) or some stupid crap, that kind of hate will not last long.

The best example is Madara. His hatred to the village and the Uchiha clan was caused by petty reason. It has no backing.

What bad did they do to him to make him hate them? The clan did disagree with him on the Hokage thing, but Madara did chose to leave the village on his own and attack the village. For what? Did they murder his family? Did they torture him? No.

He was just jealous that Hashi was the Hokage, and not being him. His cause of "hate" was just due to "jealousy" (just like Naruto hated Sasuke because he was better than him) which was indeed bound to fail.

and he did... Madara lacks hatred... true hatred, and that's why he failed.

Sasuke doesn't, and that's why he pwned Mokuton Yamato is 1 sec while Madara was defeated by Shodai despite being equal on power.

Sasuke successfully assassinated that son of a... bastard Danzo (I loved that fight) because Danzo was on the wrong side.

I hope you loved reading this, just feel free to post.

pain of loss

The best example is Madara. His hatred to the village and the Uchiha clan was caused by petty reason. It has no backing.

Did they murder his family?

He was just jealous that Hashi was the Hokage, and not being him.




......You sir, are a retard.

I will stick to the bolded statements, although I could go further if I wanted to make my point.

You are saying that one of the most powerful Ulchiha "Main Villians" doesnt have true hate?!? WTF are you talking about??? Do you understand that it takes true pain/true hate to unlock the evolution powers of the eyes?

Madara DOESNT only have "jealousy" hate towards Konoha. First of all, during an era of continuous war, since every country recognized Senju/Ulchiha as the strongest Clans, they ALWAYS FOUGHT EACHOTHER. Many, and I mean many shinobi from BOTH clans died constantly because of this. Senju shinobi specifically is the reason for probably most of the deaths that were experienced by the Ulchiha. Who knows exactly what members of their family was killed by Senju??? Here the true pain begins.

Also, to unlock the MS, you need to watch your closest friend/family die and feel the pain. Are you trying to tell me Madara unlocked his MS without feeling this type of pain, even though Itachi and Sauske both endured this pain to get further eye evolution?

Ultimately Madara was disowned by the very clan he almost gave his life to lead and protect. He felt the pain of having his entire clan turn their backs on him after he had risked his life on countless battles against the very people they were making a truce with. He had a RIGHT to feel weary about this new union, despite the peace talk. He wasnt jealous that Hashi was named Hokage; he was HATEFUL that they were ever considering combining both clans into one village after all the people that both Clans killed.

Just another point. Sauske (according to you) has "real" and "true" hate... but we all know this doesnt matter, because in the end when he faces Senju Descent (Just like when Madara fought Hashi, as you talked about) Sauske will LOSE no matter what, even if he does unlock the rinnegan. Even if he has more "HATE" than another other Ulchiha ever, he will still lose. Having true "hate" doesnt verify/guarantee victory, it depends which side you are on (Good/Bad) which ultimately determines the outcome. FYI



-gHost Senju

 

[Uchihajin Sasuke]

u have made like 50 threads today all about how u luv sasuke first i thought u were a fonboy now im wondering if ur gay and have a crush on sasuke

No, its more like I worship him like a "God", my idol

You can count me in those most extreme fanboys

 

[The Dark Moon]

No, its more like I worship him like a "God", my idol

You can count me in those most extreme fanboys

Yes, just totally ignore the superior evidence I gave you up there

 

[KAGE RYUU]

No, its more like I worship him like a "God", my idol

You can count me in those most extreme fanboys

oh well to each their own i feel really bad for u thats that is all u have in ur life is a cartoon character but if ur happy giver

 

[Uchihajin Sasuke]

Yes, just totally ignore the superior evidence I gave you up there

Sasuke already figured this out before even Karin told him, re-read the manga carefully.

Tobi even confirms this by telling "Sasuke figured out his jutsu by carefully observing Danzo checking out how many eyes he had left each time."

I am tired right now and too lazy to bring out the scans

 

[YoItsJo]

You have to love a person who makes thread after thread to promote their character shamelessly, making fellow fanboys and girls squeal and people who are indifferent towards said character come to hate them. Don't you think Sasuke has enough people against him without fanboys trying to sell all this, "Oh my Kishimoto, Sasuke is so great!" and "Sasuke's hatred is right!" and yadda yadda. It's ridiculous, truth be told.

But to the question at hand: do I think hatred bred from pain is justifiable? Um, duh. A person must love and feel pain, heartache, sorrow, before they can hate. Pain enables us to hate. Love enables us to hate. Sasuke loved his family and they were taken from him; his hatred is understandable, especially when coupled with the truth about Itachi. Naruto has said this before, back in Chapter 485, I wanna say. To feel that hatred is understandable. To want to act on that hatred is understandable. It's human nature. But humans are flawed and our hatred is what leads to wars, murder, and other such things. Sasuke wanting to take revenge is, in my eyes, right; him wanting to involve as many people as he does is not.

I don't see why this thread matters. Sasuke will not be able to fully exact his revenge on the Hidden Leaf in the end, anyway.

 

[The Dark Moon]

Sasuke already figured this out before even Karin told him, re-read the manga carefully.

Tobi even confirms this by telling Sasuke carefully observed Danzo checking out how many eyes he had left each time.

I am tired right now and lazy to bring out the scans

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I was expecting a decent argument, but...

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Whatever. I'm tired and sleepy.
~ My posts shall go on... :scorps:

Anybody else who wants to argue, don't bother. I won't reply, won't care, this was just b/w me and him, yada yada yada, you have too much time, etc.

Laterzzzz, bruh!

 

[Uchihajin Sasuke]

:|
I was expecting a decent argument, but...

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Whatever. I'm tired and sleepy.
~ My posts shall go on... :scorps:

Anybody else who wants to argue, don't bother. I won't reply, won't care, this was just b/w me and him, yada yada yada, you have too much time, etc.

Laterzzzz, bruh!

Oh you left already?

Here is my evidence, when you come back

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Tobi clearly states that Sasuke defeated Danzo (obviously he was the one lying on the floor, not Sasuke) and this is made even more apparent when Hashirama's cells tried to take him over, signalling he was near death

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So here is your evidence, happy?

 

[Fearmonger]

Thank you!
Hence, the reason for my inappropriate comment before

OP takes Sasuke-love to a whole new level. Face it, he's fictional. And I'm damn sure he wouldn't give a f*ck even if he was alive xd



But I said weeny. Not... whatever the hell is behind those asteriks. It's a funny version

Why do you guys care so much anyway? I never understood why people get so mad over fictional characters?

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Now shoo.

Haha. Comedy and and a calm outlook always improves the way I view a person. I guess you're right, I'll cool down in the conversations.

 

[leafeater]

Naruto hated Sasuke?
Yamato = Hashirama?
Comparing Sasuke's fight against Danzou or Yamato to Madara's against Hashirama?

What manga are you reading and/or portraying? This is getting old, thread after thread of inaccuracies etc... Try editing your posts or something before submitting them I guess. :shrug: good luck.

Peace

 

[SasukeUchiha910]

O RLY?





Karin analyzes while Sasuke struggles:

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Karin counts:

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Karin figures it out and tells Sasuke:

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No evidence, huh?

u posted some sasukarin right there and yes sasuke kill danzo with help from karin , i mean who else was going to keep him in one spot to be stabed:shrug:

 

[Tartarus]

O RLY?





Karin analyzes while Sasuke struggles:

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Karin counts:

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Karin figures it out and tells Sasuke:

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No evidence, huh?

btw your wrong about that

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Sasuke figured him out when he put Danzo in genjutsu long before Karin figured anything out.

These threads are funny

 

[Qcks]

I said, I don't know.
Which is actually kinda bullshit; having shit happen doesn't justify hurting a bunch of people, but I tend to think sasuke is a little bit more complex then a whining 2 year old.

Like most things in life, the devil is in the details. Hate isn't inherantly evil.
What is evil is how most people choose to express that anger, and sasuke whether his hate was jsutified or not, has chosen poorly in expressing his hatred.

 

[naruttebayo]

I have been thinking to make a thread like this for a while regarding Sasuke's mindset about hatred and how justified it is.

My point here is it depends about what kind of hate it is and it is okay if it is pure "genuine" kind of hate.

If the hate is caused by the pain of loss, then you are destined to succeed - Gohan Super Kamehameha against Cell confirms this one.

That hate is caused by the loss of his father Goku due to Cell, which reasonable and justified - This is exactly what's Sasuke's hate. He lost his family and clan due to the elders and Danzo and he wants to destroy them.

But if the hate is caused by petty reasons like jealousy "I hate the guy because he is better than me" (Naruto hated Sasuke because of this) or some stupid crap, that kind of hate will not last long.

The best example is Madara. His hatred to the village and the Uchiha clan was caused by petty reason. It has no backing.

What bad did they do to him to make him hate them? The clan did disagree with him on the Hokage thing, but Madara did chose to leave the village on his own and attack the village. For what? Did they murder his family? Did they torture him? No.

He was just jealous that Hashi was the Hokage, and not being him. His cause of "hate" was just due to "jealousy" (just like Naruto hated Sasuke because he was better than him) which was indeed bound to fail.

and he did... Madara lacks hatred... true hatred, and that's why he failed.

Sasuke doesn't, and that's why he pwned Mokuton Yamato is 1 sec while Madara was defeated by Shodai despite being equal on power.

Sasuke successfully assassinated that son of a... bastard Danzo (I loved that fight) because Danzo was on the wrong side.

I hope you loved reading this, just feel free to post.

hahaha
u r sasuke fanboy
want to save Dr snake's scaly ass

 

[Uchihajin Sasuke]

hahaha
u r sasuke fanboy
want to save Dr snake's scaly ass

Better than Nardos frog eyed furry ass :flaw:

 

[GodSasuke]

ahh the irony

 

[Uchihajin Sasuke]

So I guess everyone loved my thread?

 

[itachiEMS]

Agreed!

 

[Uchihajin Sasuke]

Agreed!

Thanks, I am glad you loved this and agreed with my theory

 

[psukkar]

i agree hate doesnt mean evil but it diffinetly doesnt mean good either.


Good and evil are just from different perceptives did u know.

For example who ever wins a war is labelled as the good guy and the loser becomes the bad.