debate about tryvon case?

[ZK]

1. Zimmerman was a Self-Appointed Block Captain; meaning, his neighborhood did not officially recognize him as the Community Watch.

2. The duties of persons on Community Watch are to observe what's going on in the neighborhood and notify Law Enforcement of anything suspicious. They are not to get involved.

3. Though citizens can have the right to carry a firearm, Zimmerman was acting in an "official capacity" (Even though he is not official) and thus should not have been armed. The capacity he is claiming to have been acting under does not authorize a person to carry a firearm and utilize it.

4. A concealed weapon's permit is not a license to use a firearm, it's simply a permit to carry one.

5. The kid was unarmed. He had nothing that even resembled a weapon. There aren't any witnesses who saw what exactly transpired (unless they've recently stepped up), so the fact that an unarmed individual was killed should have warranted a full investigation. The kid's side of the story may never be known.

6. The Emergency Dispatcher instructed Zimmerman not to follow the kid, but he did anyway.

7. Someone, whether it was Zimmerman or the kid, was screaming for help on the Emergency call and after a solitary shot went off, the yelling stopped. If the kid was the one screaming for help, it sounds like he was executed. If it was Zimmerman, why was he not in control of his weapon and why did he shoot an unarmed kid? And why did he stop asking for help? Did he attempt to get help for the kid after he shot him, or did he do nothing?

These 7 things show that there should have been a more thorough investigation. Whether Zimmerman is guilty or not, he should not have been able to freely walk away. So far, Zimmerman seems like the aggressor. The kid wouldn't have tried to grab the gun if it wasn't out already.

I think you're making the concealed weapon the main point of this. It isn't. Most of your questions merely ask whether or not Zimmerman approached the situation correctly, which is debatable.
By the way; He was not instructed, he was adviced not to follow Martin. Pressumably for his own safety, parhaps.
Carrying a gun doesn't make you invincible. If a young man gets behind your guard before you draw, it's over.
This case, to me, is very straighforward: Whoever screamed for help was not the one lying on top, therefore the other party must've been the mindless agressor. If Martin was the one screaming for help, then Zimmerman should be convicted. If the opposite is true, Zimmerman should go free.
Just FYI; no matter what happens to Zimmerman, the entire case has been blown enough out of proportion so that he'll never get a job again. Congrats, you've all just destroyed a man's life based on suspicion alone. Now that's a hate-crime.

 

[ClashinDevestation]

it is sad and the fact some ppl feel like he shoudnt be punished is even sadder. he had absolutely no right to follow him and he had a gun on him! the way i look at it he probably provoked tryvon so he could have a reason to shoot him. but in a interview zimmermans neighbor said that it wasnt self defense they saw zimmerman straddling tryvon..... soo why did he shoot???? zimmermans life wasnt in danger he just wanted to kill a young black man. there will always be racism in america.

he can follow anyone one he chooses to. just like you or me nowhere does it stat that your not allowed to follow people. and that racism in america come on if you had learned anything racism is EVERYWHERE! not just in america. well the way i see it is BOTH could have handled it better. its sad that someone died. and where does it state that he just wanted to kill a young black man. it doesnt, all this thread is doing is adding to the racism problem that all.

 

[Josh]

I think you're making the concealed weapon the main point of this. It isn't. Most of your questions merely ask whether or not Zimmerman approached the situation correctly, which is debatable.
By the way; He was not instructed, he was adviced not to follow Martin. Pressumably for his own safety, parhaps.
Carrying a gun doesn't make you invincible. If a young man gets behind your guard before you draw, it's over.
This case, to me, is very straighforward: Whoever screamed for help was not the one lying on top, therefore the other party must've been the mindless agressor. If Martin was the one screaming for help, then Zimmerman should be convicted. If the opposite is true, Zimmerman should go free.
Just FYI; no matter what happens to Zimmerman, the entire case has been blown enough out of proportion so that he'll never get a job again. Congrats, you've all just destroyed a man's life based on suspicion alone. Now that's a hate-crime.

I live in Florida. I have a concealed weapon's permit. I have a degree in Criminal Justice as well as Public Safety & Security. I work with police officers. I understand use of force policies and continuum's. I have received some training as a Federal Law Enforcement Officer (Though this is limited because I'm not full-time and haven't gone through a full academy yet). Does it make me an expert? No, but it does give me a little bit of credibility.

I make a point about the concealed weapon because it IS the focus of this case. Based on the 7 points I brought up, there is reasonable doubt to say that Zimmerman was justified in shooting Treyvon.

The case should have been investigate further. Race has little to do with it as, the state would need to prove that this was a justifiable homicide.

He was not advised not to follow Treyvon, he was instructed. If an Emergency Operator says not to get involved, you should not get involved. There is enough evidence to say that Zimmerman was the aggressor and not Treyvon. The only thing that says Treyvon was the aggressor is Zimmerman himself. Now do you see why Zimmerman's approach is important?

 

[ZK]

I live in Florida. I have a concealed weapon's permit. I have a degree in Criminal Justice as well as Public Safety & Security. I work with police officers. I understand use of force policies and continuum's. I have received some training as a Federal Law Enforcement Officer (Though this is limited because I'm not full-time and haven't gone through a full academy yet).

I make a point about the concealed weapon because it IS the focus of this case. Based on the 7 points I brought up, there is reasonable doubt to say that Zimmerman was justified in shooting Treyvon.

The case should have been investigate further. Race has little to do with it as, the state would need to prove that this was a justifiable homicide.

He was not advised not to follow Treyvon, he was instructed. If an Emergency Operator says not to get involved, you should not get involved. There is enough evidence to say that Zimmerman was the aggressor and not Treyvon. The only thing that says Treyvon was the aggressor is Zimmerman himself. Now do you see why Zimmerman's approach is important?

Sorry O_O I study History and Philosophy on High-School level, so I'm not qualified to question your statement.

 

[Josh]

Sorry O_O I study History and Philosophy on High-School level, so I'm not qualified to question your statement.

It's ok

I try to stick to facts in most things on NB, but I do use my opinion for a lot of things. This is a special case where I can actually say something with a tiny bit of authority, so no worries >_O

(Sometimes you have to establish credibility) ~_~

 

[ZK]

It's ok

I try to stick to facts in most things on NB, but I do use my opinion for a lot of things. This is a special case where I can actually say something with a tiny bit of authority, so no worries >_O

(Sometimes you have to establish credibility) ~_~

*Now believes in Tyrone's Trayvon's case*

 

[Josh]

*Now believes in Tyrone's Trayvon's case*

Well, I wouldn't go that far :|

I was merely pointing out that Zimmerman and his legal defense actually do need prove something. Claiming self-defense should not be an automatic walk home deal. The law enforcement officers made a bad call and now people have made race the point of the case rather than the fact that Zimmerman may not have been justified in the first place.

It can go either way, but there at least is some merit to Treyvon's defense. A proper investigation is what's needed.

 

[DevonV]

wft?! do you know the full story man??? I see you using the UK flag, so I'm assuming you must not have with a ridiculous statment such as this one. This my friend I am totally against you, and cant comprehend how you can come to such conclusions.



thank you for explaing in such great detail, the way it should be done.

Also, I'm starting to see this case is bringing indivduals true colors

Thats fine everyone is entitled to their opinion i was just sharing mine. And what do you mean by the UK flag?
:izuna:

 

[Thatoneguy]

Zimmerman = Innocent.

 

[Swizzik]

Zimmerman = Innocent.

how?

 

[soulless uchiha]

how?

yes, how?

 

[Noctics]

are you dumbor mentally ill, what do you mean wait till the facts come out, te facts are out they measured him on the otopsy and know the mans hieght
-they have several recordings of they white guy screaming HELP HELP HELP and then a gunshot being herd

-they know that the guy called in saying im going to go follow this black kid cuz hes black and he said he had a gun and the police said DO NOT FOLLOW him

-im not stating ipion in this thread this is PURE FACT prove me wrong or get the hell out

*opinion. Don't call someone dumb when you can't even spell opinion

 

[Itachi Namikaze]

The picture of the kid sticking up the middle finger isn't even trayvon martin. That's how biased the news system is. Trying to destroy his character and reputation.

You point out these facts that Martin had a height advantage, and youth advantage over Zimmerman. All these advantages, but Zimmerman had a gun. Guns>>>
He Followed Tayvon because he was suspicious for being black and wearing a hoodie (while it was raining).

As a black man, if someone randomly approached me with a gun, threatening me, and asking what I"m doing in a neighborhood where my mom lives I'd feel uncomfortable as well. and Martin actually had the right to fight back. Anybody being threatened does.

There are no two sides to this story. Zimmerman approached the situation in a horrible way, even when the dispatcher told him not to. He approached and attacked Martin without reason. They have audio evidence.

Dave Chappelle I feel like you are being biased.

First off his mom did not live in that neighborhood, his father's fiancee did, not even his father.

Yes Zimmerman did the wrong thing following him, but once again you only look at one side of things. Try and picture yourself on both sides, Zimmerman is a member of the neighborhood watch and sees an unknown person wandering around a GATED community, looking suspicious.

Zimmerman should have listened to the police warning, but by all reports Trayvon attacked him first.

I get it, he was scared because someone with a gun was following him but he instigated the violence.

Both parties are at fault. Zimmerman deserves some jail time, but don't try and put all the blame on Zimmerman because that is wrong.

 

[mas129]

I can't visualise a scenario in which the kid could have handled it better. Seriously, what else is he meant to do, Zimmerman approached him (got out of his car), is he meant to run, in which case Zimmerman would probably have chased him down that much harder because he would be convinced Trayvon is guilty.

The confrontation (and the killing) seems inevitable as soon as Zimmerman ignore the officer's words. The only thing Trayvon could have done to save himself is FTG

 

[Itachi Namikaze]

I can't visualise a scenario in which the kid could have handled it better. Seriously, what else is he meant to do, Zimmerman approached him (got out of his car), is he meant to run, in which case Zimmerman would probably have chased him down that much harder because he would be convinced Trayvon is guilty.

The confrontation (and the killing) seems inevitable as soon as Zimmerman ignore the officer's words. The only thing Trayvon could have done to save himself is FTG

There are numerous ways both parties could have handled it better. In my honest opinion this case is merely an overzealous neighborhood watch member who went too far against a scared kid who reacted poorly.

 

[mas129]

There are numerous ways both parties could have handled it better. In my honest opinion this case is merely an overzealous neighborhood watch member who went too far against a scared kid who reacted poorly.

I put myself in Zimmerman's shoes, I stop when the officer tells me to not pursue!!!

I put myself in the kids place, our confrontation (and hence the shooting) is inevitable.

 

[Tobinator]

Sometimes I feel like you have no reading comprehension.

:rofl:

 

[Itachi Namikaze]

I put myself in Zimmerman's shoes, I stop when the officer tells me to not pursue!!!

I put myself in the kids place, our confrontation (and hence the shooting) is inevitable.

Then you have either no self-control or you are an overly aggressive person.

All the reports say that Trayvon instigated the violence. I understand that he was scared, trust me I get that, but that did not give him the right to attack Zimmerman.

But like I said they are both at fault because Zimmerman should have stopped after he called the police. Like I said I think he was on overzealous person who went too far in his attempt to keep the peace.

I don't think there is anything more to this case. If you disagree post why, I will respond later though, because I am at work right now.

 

[thai sage]

That whole picture is bullshit. So many holes on both sides of the story. This whole case shouldn't be on NB. No one really knows anything about It, everyone is posting what they THINK happened, It's everywhere and It's irritating.

Wait until the facts come out, Instead of relying on propaganda and pictures. I feel sad that this happened don't get me wrong, but this shit happens all the time to be honest, the only reason people care is because It's so publicized. Happens with everything else that is a "tragedy" not trying to dumb It down, and regardless he shot a kid. No matter if the kid attacked him or not.

I don't think you understand why everyone is so pissed about this, I've been following this case for quiet awhile now since the beginning, the reason people are so pissed off is because this kid is just walking home from a local store having bought some skittles and iced tea, heading home to his fathers house in a gated community, this guy sees him and thinks he's suspicious calls the cops and follows him, after cops tell him not to follow he proceeds to say "they always get away, f'in coons".

He then proceeds to confront the boy and shoot him. Cops arrive and instead of arresting the guy with a gun and bringing him in for questioning, the cops try to clean up the case to protect zimmerman, when witnesses said they heard the boy scream cops corrected them and said no you hear Zimmerman scream. It's been over 3 weeks and still no arrest, how is this justice at all? Imagine if the roles were reversed do you think the young black male would be allowed to go home and resume life till things get figured out, come on guys... Really?

Edit: by the way Zimmerman isn't actually captain of the neighborhood watch or whatever in fact the neighboorhood watch wanted nothing to do with him.

 

[Allan Hoshigaki]

why was he stalking him with a gun in the first place?