Kisame vs EMS Madara (argument included)
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Raiton Sage93
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i wouldn't believe that he could beat madara, but you're points make enough logical sense, i can't think of anything off the top of my head to counter it. Kisame wins. Kudos
Well I have been checking on this thread every now and than and I have to say well done to the OP for sticking in there so long. You have had to post the same thing countless times to different people that clearly dont read any of the thread. Also people just don't seem to get that there precious susanoo isn't invisible.
I agree Susanoo is made of chakra, why else would it take so much of a toll on the users body and use up all there chakra? Also all scans saying tsukiyomi+amatarasu = susanoo have been from character explaining there own susanoo. Itachi explained his own susanoo in that way to sasuke, also sasuke was explaining his susanoo to someone. They are both brothers and have the same techniques. Does this mean that madara has these techniques? Absolutely not, why couldn't he have two other MS techniques which unlocks his susanoo?
People fail to realise that Itachi's tsukiyomi is the only one that can take someone out in 1 second. Unless its vs. Itachi genjutsu isn't as much of a threat. Madara has only shown normal sharigan jutsu. Kisame has samehada that constantly disrupts his chakra. Madara's genjutsu isn't so much of an issue in this fight.
People need to chill out, and stop taking this so seriously. I agree with the OP that Kisame wins this, but only because we don't have much to go on for Madara's abilities. And thats the point that people fail to comprehend only technique we have seen madara us in the manga (bar rinnegan and mokuton) are included in this matchup. Speculation techniques don't count. From all that we have seen Madara do, kisame does have a count for. Im not saying it will be an easy fight, but kisame does have potential to win this specific matchup under the specific restrictions that OP set. It is what it is..........
I agree Susanoo is made of chakra, why else would it take so much of a toll on the users body and use up all there chakra? Also all scans saying tsukiyomi+amatarasu = susanoo have been from character explaining there own susanoo. Itachi explained his own susanoo in that way to sasuke, also sasuke was explaining his susanoo to someone. They are both brothers and have the same techniques. Does this mean that madara has these techniques? Absolutely not, why couldn't he have two other MS techniques which unlocks his susanoo?
People fail to realise that Itachi's tsukiyomi is the only one that can take someone out in 1 second. Unless its vs. Itachi genjutsu isn't as much of a threat. Madara has only shown normal sharigan jutsu. Kisame has samehada that constantly disrupts his chakra. Madara's genjutsu isn't so much of an issue in this fight.
People need to chill out, and stop taking this so seriously. I agree with the OP that Kisame wins this, but only because we don't have much to go on for Madara's abilities. And thats the point that people fail to comprehend only technique we have seen madara us in the manga (bar rinnegan and mokuton) are included in this matchup. Speculation techniques don't count. From all that we have seen Madara do, kisame does have a count for. Im not saying it will be an easy fight, but kisame does have potential to win this specific matchup under the specific restrictions that OP set. It is what it is..........
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tracytracy22
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I've only read a some of the posts - most people seem to think that if you can use susanoo, you need to have mastered amaterasu and tsukuyomi. I was also under the impression that to use susanoo you need to have mastered amaterasu and tsukuyomi. Most people say its true - then I'll just assume madara can use amaterasu and tsukuyomi.
Madara wins easily with these 2 techniques. He has no way of escaping tsukuyomi and he isn't fast enough to avoid amaterasu. Some are saying that samehada will absorb the flames but couldn't he just aim for his head, or away from the sword?
Ok...let's assume madara can't use tsukuyomi or amaterasu. This becomes tough and I'm really not sure who would win. As shown by others, madara can use genjutsu as he was able to trap that ninja from the war. He could always do them same to kisame. Even if samehada breaks him out of the illusion (this hasn't been shown), the time taken could create an opening for madara to go on the offensive. Also, kisame doesn't seem to skillfull in genjutsu. Remember that fight he had along side itachi, fighting asuma and kurenai? Kurenai's genjutsu began taking effect on kisame and I dont even think he realised! But he was somehow able to escape - I doubt samehada broke him out of it. I'd say it was because of itachi reversing kurenai's genjutsu back onto her. Who knows...
I don't really care about this thread or the match-up in general, but I felt like posting my opinions. Overall I'm not very sure.
Madara wins easily with these 2 techniques. He has no way of escaping tsukuyomi and he isn't fast enough to avoid amaterasu. Some are saying that samehada will absorb the flames but couldn't he just aim for his head, or away from the sword?
Ok...let's assume madara can't use tsukuyomi or amaterasu. This becomes tough and I'm really not sure who would win. As shown by others, madara can use genjutsu as he was able to trap that ninja from the war. He could always do them same to kisame. Even if samehada breaks him out of the illusion (this hasn't been shown), the time taken could create an opening for madara to go on the offensive. Also, kisame doesn't seem to skillfull in genjutsu. Remember that fight he had along side itachi, fighting asuma and kurenai? Kurenai's genjutsu began taking effect on kisame and I dont even think he realised! But he was somehow able to escape - I doubt samehada broke him out of it. I'd say it was because of itachi reversing kurenai's genjutsu back onto her. Who knows...
I don't really care about this thread or the match-up in general, but I felt like posting my opinions. Overall I'm not very sure.
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I am sick of reading the ignorance in this thread, You are telling me the master of the Eternal Mangekyou Sharingan, who also has all of his brothers techs, skipped Amaterasu and Tsukiyomi?....but none the less... your precious Kisame can be the victim of genjutsu as seen below
Before you open your mouth about this being part of the games story line, this was written and put together by Kishimoto, as it says at the beginning of the game, your argument is invalid, Itachi countered most of kisames "answers" without using Amaterasu or tsukiyomi
To set up a thread like this is only a clear one sided match in the way you put it, thats like me saying that Konohomaru can defeat Izuna because izuna technically has no techs . Kisame was a strong character, but keep him away from the level of a legend, you just make people laugh at your favorite character
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Before you open your mouth about this being part of the games story line, this was written and put together by Kishimoto, as it says at the beginning of the game, your argument is invalid, Itachi countered most of kisames "answers" without using Amaterasu or tsukiyomi
To set up a thread like this is only a clear one sided match in the way you put it, thats like me saying that Konohomaru can defeat Izuna because izuna technically has no techs . Kisame was a strong character, but keep him away from the level of a legend, you just make people laugh at your favorite character
Jayaraman MinatoItachi
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Stop hyping kisame to the level of madara. Madara even without ems or even ms would defeat kisame. Speaking of which, his water prison even lee,neji and ten ten has broken it with thier power. Do you think madara can't break through?
His shark bomb too much powerful and absorbs any chakra and grows stronger.The stronger opponent ninjustsu is the stronger the bomb will become.right? Does it take out bijuu dama??????
His shark bomb too much powerful and absorbs any chakra and grows stronger.The stronger opponent ninjustsu is the stronger the bomb will become.right? Does it take out bijuu dama??????
Jayaraman MinatoItachi
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tracytracy22
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Why thank you! With these kinds of threads, you do have to have a balanced outlook, or atleast be unbiased. In this kinda of situation where you haven't seen much from one combatant and a lot from the other, thats what you gotta do if you cant come up with answer. And I understand if people automatically claim madara will whipe the floor with kisame - hes just at a different level. But you do have to put some thought into it which is something you did.
kellzfresh
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Very good argument, with a counter to most of madara's jutsu. But madara still has meteor's and can still absorb ninjutsu( including any of kisame's water techniques) and can still use genjustu on kisame(i'm not sure maybe kisame's samehada could wake him up from a genjutsu).
I'm not sure if kisame could evade the yata malgamata that he threw at the kage's but i think madara has too much fire power to be defeated by kisame. Remember that uchiha's dont depend on strength but skill and brains to finish their opponents....
its been said that 1 on 1 with and uchia is unbeatable the great madara uchia would be able to read kisame's movements and dodge his attacks and im certain there is a limit to the amount of chackra a jutsu can absorb and wouldn't kisame's and madara's styles just cancel each other out madara throws fireballs but kisame throws water bombs they just cancel each other out pretty much.
And Madara could fight up close with taijutsu and having the sharingan would allow him to counter kisame in a up close fight.
and if kisame summons a 1000 sharks why couldn't madara Genjutsu most of them and make them attack the other sharks then burn them with a fireball jutsu canceling out the 1000 sharks
And Madara could fight up close with taijutsu and having the sharingan would allow him to counter kisame in a up close fight.
and if kisame summons a 1000 sharks why couldn't madara Genjutsu most of them and make them attack the other sharks then burn them with a fireball jutsu canceling out the 1000 sharks
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Narutopedia
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Narutopedia
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madara throws a fire ball, samehada cuts it in two, kisame uses Daikodan no jutsu (Sucks up ninjutsu and makes it stronger)
counter that.
Madara would win. kisam is wounereble to genjutsu.