Isshin vs Shunsui

[Dracule Mihawk]

i think both are awesome and has amazing powers.. what u think? who wins?

 

[snake orochimaru]

we don't know too much about Isshin so I'll give this one Kyouraku.

 

[-Jiraiya-]

I think Isshin wins.

 

[Dracule Mihawk]

we don't know too much about Isshin so I'll give this one Kyouraku.

what we've seen in fight against aizen.. he is really strong.. :scorps:

 

[snake orochimaru]

what we've seen in fight against aizen.. he is really strong.. :scorps:

we haven't seen Kyouraku's bankai yet...I think it's badass :scorps:

 

[Itachi2020]

I think Isshin will win.

 

[home]

shunsui imo but i accidentaly voted for isshin

 

[Roy]

we haven't seen Kyouraku's bankai yet...I think it's badass :scorps:

We haven't even seen Isshin's shikai yet and he owned Aizen with a finger.

Isshin got this.

 

[snake orochimaru]

We haven't even seen Isshin's shikai yet and he owned Aizen with a finger.

Isshin got this.

that was Oni Dekopin, a hakuda technique...powerful indeed. he didn't own Aizen, he just threw him through some buildings and from what I recall he didn't even had a scratch...the only one who owned Aizen was Ichigo, because he cut him in half ...but that's not important. in the manga it's stated that Isshin lost his powers. Probably before that moment he was stronger than Kyouraku but at this moment I think the latter is better. Agreed?

 

[Lord Snow]

I believe Isshin will win this.

 

[NLee]

what we've seen in fight against aizen.. he is really strong.. :scorps:

He didn't even fight Aizen. They did the tango for a few minutes. This proves nothing.

Do we even know what his Shikai looks like? Do we know what abilities he has? There's no sugar coating it. We know nothing of Isshin's powers.

He's obviously very strong but besides that we have near to zero intel on him to be able to judge how he'd fair in a fight.

We haven't even seen Isshin's shikai yet and he owned Aizen with a finger.

Isshin got this.

If Isshin was owning Aizen in his regular state then he would have gone after Aizen himself with his Shikai and Bankai instead of spending 3 months training Ichigo.

Isshin did not own Aizen.

 

[Lord Snow]

I believe Issihn was on Ichigos level before using Final Gets

 

[Hmph]

He didn't even fight Aizen. They did the tango for a few minutes. This proves nothing.

Do we even know what his Shikai looks like? Do we know what abilities he has? There's no sugar coating it. We know nothing of Isshin's powers.

He's obviously very strong but besides that we have near to zero intel on him to be able to judge how he'd fair in a fight.

What on earth? We know he's able to react to Aizen
Pushed Aizen to his shinigami limited
They were potrayed as equals in CQC
Isshin has enough reiatsu to send Aizen flying through building with his mere finger.

I'm sorry, but from what we have seen Isshin defeats Shunsui 10/10

Shunsui is one of the stronger captains, but characters like

Yamamoto/Aizen/Isshin/Urahara are a tier above him.

Not to mention his GT is insanley powerful.

 

[NLee]

What on earth? We know he's able to react to Aizen
Pushed Aizen to his shinigami limited
They were potrayed as equals in CQC
Isshin has enough reiatsu to send Aizen flying through building with his mere finger.

I'm sorry, but from what we have seen Isshin defeats Shunsui 10/10

Shunsui is one of the stronger captains, but characters like

Yamamoto/Aizen/Isshin/Urahara are a tier above him.

Not to mention his GT is insanley powerful.

Aizen and Isshin were far from being portrayed as equals. First of all Aizen wasn't even retaliating seriously.

I'm lazy to go digging for the links at the moment (because Kubo makes stupid titles that don't even correlate with the chapters), but all we've seen from Isshin is a finger flick (which I'm not saying is weak) and a Getsuga Tensho. They were both strong but what other skills do we know?

A single powerful attack (in this case, his GT) doesn't personify a Shinigami's powers as a whole. The brute force of Ichigo's Getsuga Tensho is also powerful but that doesn't say anything else about his other attributes. Things like speed, agility, reaction time, experience, knowledge, etc all factor into a Shinigami's battle prowess and their chances of winning a fight.

Renji, for example, is the only Lieutenant (revealed thus far) to have a Bankai, but that doesn't mean he's the strongest Lieutenant.

My point is, no matter how strong Isshin appears to be, the fact of the matter is we don't know what he can do. Note that in none of my posts did I state he was weak or that he would lose. All I'm saying is that it's pointless to judge people in a fight when we don't have full info on them.

On the flip side, Kyoraku is the same case. We know nothing of his Bankai. The only hint we have is that Ukitake said it was unsafe to use in an area where many people could see it



Lack of knowledge means we can't know the outcome of a fight. Take Ichigo for example. If we made a "Ichigo vs Byakuya" thread way back then before we knew what his Bankai was, then the majority of people would probably choose Byakuya. But out of the blue Ichigo's Bankai was revealed to be a tremendous speed boost - a PERFECT counter for Byakuya.

When comparing two high level combatants it's not (just) sheer reiatsu or powerful attacks that win the fight. Obviously this doesn't apply to two opponents in completely different leagues, but in Isshin and Kyoraku's case I find it applicable. They aren't worlds apart.

It's the specific powers and abilities that can turn the tides of a battle.