Fourth Hokage

[Destined2BHokage]

He has been using the mokuton for most of the battle and that is the point of my post. All the mokuton abilities have done literally nothing to anyone.

Find me a manga page where Hashirama's abilities have done something to the 5 kages.

Everything that has been damaging has been either a rinnegan or an EMS jutsu, how are you not getting this?

Don't bring up clones, as anyone can make clones out of anything, it is not an ability restricted to Hashirama like mokuton is.

Either way you can't disagree with my post, so I win.

lol okay. u win but dont forget that mokuton was jus one ability in hashiramas arsenal. n if u look at it, when he fought against the 3rd and the stories of wen he fought madara and yamato using it to suppress the 9 tails i think u can come up with the rational conclusion that its mainly used to restrict and suppress. notice i said mainly. im sure with the mokuton and hashirama's other unknown abilities. im sure he's worth the hype. dont go saying his abilities are useless. n it kinda did KO the kages..if that was boxing that wud be a win right there lool

 

[Itachi Namikaze]

lol okay. u win but dont forget that mokuton was jus one ability in hashiramas arsenal. n if u look at it, when he fought against the 3rd and the stories of wen he fought madara and yamato using it to suppress the 9 tails i think u can come up with the rational conclusion that its mainly used to restrict and suppress. notice i said mainly. im sure with the mokuton and hashirama's other unknown abilities. im sure he's worth the hype. dont go saying his abilities are useless. n it kinda did KO the kages..if that was boxing that wud be a win right there lool

I think his greatest ability was probably his ability to suppress tailed beasts, followed by his healing, and then Bringer of Darkness.

Mokuton is great and all, but it seems to work better on fodder ninja, as none of the kages are having a hard time fighting mokuton, but they can't do anything against the rinnegan abilities. (mostly preta path)

 

[minatoisagod]

i get what your saying my friend the 1st has gotten fanboys over night and is in every vs thread now as a winner, because of a statement made by kabuto and madara with no logic and they complain about minato fans with this.

Still technicall it said he was the most gifted shinobi that konoha ever produced and this list includes oro, jman, shisui, danzo, itachi, samuko hakate and a crap load of other strong ninja. It never out right said he was the strongest, but it sure as hell implied it.

 

[Itachi Namikaze]

i get what your saying my friend the 1st has gotten fanboys over night and is in every vs thread now as a winner, because of a statement made by kabuto and madara with no logic and they complain about minato fans with this.

Still technicall it said he was the most gifted shinobi that konoha ever produced and this list includes oro, jman, shisui, danzo, itachi, samuko hakate and a crap load of other strong ninja. It never out right said he was the strongest, but it sure as hell implied it.

If Danzo and Shisui have KA then he can do nothing against them.

Hashi loses to them, and I can make arguments about why he would lose to certain other people as well, such as Itachi, and possibly Jiraiya.

Secondly he wasn't really all that gifted. He was lucky to be born with good genes, but there have tons of more skilled people. His own brother lost out on the luck of the draw for the genetic lottery, but was obviously smarter and more skilled than him, as he invented his own jutsu and was the one to actually set up everything in Konoha.

The fanboy hype has made me dislike Hashirama's character to the max. I'll still admit his strength, but I'm never going to go out and argue for him in a vs thread, instead if I think he'll win I will just ignore it.

 

[minatoisagod]

If Danzo and Shisui have KA then he can do nothing against them.

Hashi loses to them, and I can make arguments about why he would lose to certain other people as well, such as Itachi, and possibly Jiraiya.

Secondly he wasn't really all that gifted. He was lucky to be born with good genes, but there have tons of more skilled people. His own brother lost out on the luck of the draw for the genetic lottery, but was obviously smarter and more skilled than him, as he invented his own jutsu and was the one to actually set up everything in Konoha.

The fanboy hype has made me dislike Hashirama's character to the max. I'll still admit his strength, but I'm never going to go out and argue for him in a vs thread, instead if I think he'll win I will just ignore it.

oh no the gifted part is what is said about minato not the 1st

 

[Itachi Namikaze]

oh no the gifted part is what is said about minato not the 1st

Oh ok, I misunderstood, you transitioned from talking about Hashirama to talking about Minato and I didn't pick up on that.

My bad, here is a +rep for you for my being too argumentative.

 

[HNIC]

Isn't this a troll thread???

 

[Itachi Namikaze]

Isn't this a troll thread???

There are troll posts in it yes. I have already argued against the thread creator in saying that Minato is not anywhere near the strongest ninja to ever live.

 

[Kinimaster]

What ability? So far if he were only using Hashirama's abilities Madara would have been killed multiple times.

Also, Hashirama's jutsus have done literally nothing to the kages. That world tree jutsu with the pollen, it did nothing!!

None of the mokuton attacks have done a single thing to the kages, and there are manga pages to prove it. Literally the only attacks that have either saved Madara or injured the kages have been from Madara himself.

Defense- preta path (multiple times, rinnegan ability)
Susanoo - (used fairly constantly, EMS ability)
edo regeneration (because he is an edo, not Hashirama's abilities)

Offensive attacks that have actually done something -
Meteors (rinnegan)
Susanoo sword(ems)
fire jutsu (Madara's regular jutsu)
Yasaka Magatama (EMS)



So please find me a mokuton attack that has connected and done anything at all to the 5 kages. Find me a manga page, just one will do.

Yeah right.., You forgetting the 25 mokuton clones, the adn of Hashi giving Madara the Rin'negan, Hashi's Knj who prevented Madara of being sealed by Gaara, and dont forget that Naruto is in big Dissadvantage against Mokuton because it can supress the Fox chakra, Minato was praised i dont know in part one? by his teacher, pupil and preceding hokage? little biased lol? its obvious that if Kishi is writing those incredible quotes about Hashirama by now(THE CLIMAX OF THE FINAL WAR AND ULTIMATE BATTLES), its because he wants us to know that Hashi not only was the strongest and most powerfull hokage, but also one of the most importants shinobi in the manga because of his rare and unique powers.

 

[aashish1996]

haha.. I can't believe this thread went from Minato being the strongest to comparing Hashirama's abilities lmao!!

Way to get off topic people haha

OT:

ya, you know... things change and so do opinions.... and people are all about opinions so.. ya.... hehe

 

[Itachi Namikaze]

haha.. I can't believe this thread went from Minato being the strongest to comparing Hashirama's abilities lmao!!

Way to get off topic people haha

Well everyone knows Minato is not the strongest, so we might as well talk about something worthwhile.