Minato and the Dead Demon Seal (must read)

[ajpn920]

We all know that since the beginning, it was mentioned that Minato sacrificed his life for the village. Minato used the Dead Demon Seal to seal half of Kurama’s chakra and the Eight Trigrams Seal to seal the other half. Minato could have used another sealing technique but chose to use Dead Demon Seal instead for the purpose of giving his son the power to defeat Tobi. In exchange for the Dead Demon Seal to work, the user will hand his soul to the death god. This is what we know until now........but is he really dead? Let’s take a look.

In the scan below, it’s clear that the creator of the Dead Demon Seal is Minato. Hiruzen's last move to defeat the edo's was to use Minato's tech.

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In here, Hiruzen mentioned about the death that Minato spoke to him. It means that Minato explained that jutsu to Hiruzen and he knows how the jutsu works. This will tell us that Minato may have used the Dead Demon Seal before his encounter with Kurama.

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Sarutobi here mentioned that he is not familiar with the Dead Demon Seal. It’s clear that it’s the first time he used this jutsu.

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Sarutobi explaining that once the seal is completed, the user’s soul will be consumed simultaneously

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An example that the user's soul will be consumed simultaneously. The clone disperses after the seal was completed

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Let's take a look how Minato used the Dead Demon Seal. The seal was completed here but Minato did not die right away. He was able to prepare the eight trigrams seal.

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See how it contradicts Hiruzen's statements. Hiruzen's clones disperses after the seal was completed but not in Minato. Minato was able to protect Naruto from Kurama's claw and summoned Geratora

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I wonder why Minato did not die right away after the seal was completed. The scan below shows that the body collapses once the soul is removed.

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Not in this case......I wonder why. Minato was able to perform the eight trigrams seal after his soul was consumed by the death god.

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How was he able to perform the eight trigrams seal without his soul? It's very clear that a body will die without a soul.

Noticed how Hiruzen's clone bleed. After taking a blow from Hashi, the clone did not disperse

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Does it make sense now why Minato did not die after the seal was completed and after the death god consumed Kurama's chakra with the soul (is it really Minato's soul?). Remember that shadow clones can perform jutsus on their own and can also bleed. Minato might have used a shadow clone much superior to Hiruzen's.

It's possible that it was Minato's clone who performs the jutsu that's why he did not die right away after the seal was completed. Clones doesn't have a soul so it can continue to move even after the death god consumed Kurama's chakra.

Remember that Minato was the creator of the jutsu and he is fully aware how his jutsu works. He was able to explain to Hiruzen about the death. How can he explain the nature of his jutsu if he was not able to use it? And why is he alive after using it the first time?

 

[Prince Charles]

sounds legit.

 

[Braveknight]

holy cheese burger! +rep

 

[ajpn920]

sounds legit.

holy cheese burger! +rep

Thanks

 

[Baka Sennin]

interesting theory, and quite possible. but if minato didn't die, what has he been doing these last 16 years?

now that i think about it, minato DID seal his chakra into Naruto, plus orochimaru failed to summon him. so he must be dead

 

[Gatsuuga]

You obviously put in a lot of work, but why would Kushina leave this detail out when telling Naruto? Also the fact that he couldn't be summoned by Oro suggest that yes it was his soul in the death god, not just a clone's.

 

[opthomasprime]

i see your logic and its well written but very unlikely...he may have used it before but just didnt seal anyone...and hiruzens clone may have bled because it was an earth style clone(i think)

 

[Naruto Ninetails]

Oooooooo rreally good point there man

 

[uffe0365]

yeah... no not really.... where and whom might he be then?

 

[Itachi Minato]

i think u make a good point but it is most likely a plot hole

 

[taggedkage]

You may be right... i don't thinks is soul is inside death god i think he sealed it inside Naruto.

 

[DracoHazel]

you put a lot of effort is this...so +rep

 

[kourosh]

so you mean yondime is alive????

 

[Blaze Release]

You are wrong.
First of all minato did not create the death god technique. The reason sarutobi said what he said is because minato used it and not because he created it and if i remember he said this is the technique the fourth used to seal the fox. To my knowledge the only technique minato created was rasengan and ftg. Secondly, the reason why minato knew the effect of it is because he didnt create it. Its an uzumaki sealing technique that already existed and with that knew background info on the technique and what it does.

Next, clones have a limited life span. Depending on how chakra is poured into them. You could argue that for sarutboi who in his old age didnt have enough chakra to begin with, plus him already using loads of chakra before using the reaper technique, clearly indicates that the chakra poured into the clones werent enough to keep them 'alive'. You also forget that hirzuen didnt also die straight away after sealing the 2 hokages.

Also you hand your soul to the death god, whilst you are still alive. It doesnt rip your soul out. At least not until the technique is still active. Tbh im not sure what you are trying to say, but its a fact that the user of the reaper technique dies and this is in the manga and backed by the databook

 

[Better]

he sealed the rest of his chakra into naruto :|

this is ludacris man, sorry but well written

 

[Crazyleggs24]

Minato is Tobi!!!!!!!!!! DUH DUH DUUUUUUUUUUUHHHHHH

 

[ajpn920]

interesting theory, and quite possible. but if minato didn't die, what has he been doing these last 16 years?

now that i think about it, minato DID seal his chakra into Naruto, plus orochimaru failed to summon him. so he must be dead

That's the problem that I can't fully explain. There must be a reason behind it. Another way to look at it is that the soul can't be summoned if it is in a body and the person is not yet dead.

You obviously put in a lot of work, but why would Kushina leave this detail out when telling Naruto? Also the fact that he couldn't be summoned by Oro suggest that yes it was his soul in the death god, not just a clone's.

If Minato can't be summoned then the two possibilities are, his soul is in the death god or he is still alive.

i see your logic and its well written but very unlikely...he may have used it before but just didnt seal anyone...and hiruzens clone may have bled because it was an earth style clone(i think)

How would Minato know the the user's soul will be consumed by the death god? Shadow clones bleed. It was not an earth style clone.

yeah... no not really.... where and whom might he be then?

That's the problem I wish I have the answer. There are two many reasons why he is hiding all these years (if he is alive)

 

[FloriGlori]

He is without any doubt dead, but I wondered about this, too.

There are some reasons that might explain why he prevailed:
1. As the creator of the technique he mastered it better than Hiruzen, thus he didn't die right away
2. His condition was by far not as bad as Hiruzen's was when he used the technique
3. Because he didn't seal Kyuubi's entire Chakra, he wasn't sealed/consumed entirely either

 

[Better]

plus i'm about 90% sure, the death seal is an Uzumaki sealing technique

 

[ajpn920]

You may be right... i don't thinks is soul is inside death god i think he sealed it inside Naruto.

I also think that his soul is in Naruto or he's alive.

you put a lot of effort is this...so +rep

Thanks

so you mean yondime is alive????

Possible

You are wrong.
First of all minato did not create the death god technique. The reason sarutobi said what he said is because minato used it and not because he created it and if i remember he said this is the technique the fourth used to seal the fox. To my knowledge the only technique minato created was rasengan and ftg. Secondly, the reason why minato knew the effect of it is because he didnt create it. Its an uzumaki sealing technique that already existed and with that knew background info on the technique and what it does.

Next, clones have a limited life span. Depending on how chakra is poured into them. You could argue that for sarutboi who in his old age didnt have enough chakra to begin with, plus him already using loads of chakra before using the reaper technique, clearly indicates that the chakra poured into the clones werent info to keep them 'alive'. You also forget that hirzuen didnt also die straight away after sealing the 2 hokages.

Also you hand your soul to the death god, whilst you are still alive. It doesnt rip your soul out. At least not until the technique is still active.

No. Dead Demon Seal is Minato's jutsu. Hiruzen is way older than Minato but he is unaware of that jutsu. If it was passed down from the Uzumaki clan then Hiruzen might have heard that or even Orochimaru. Also, hashirama would have known that jutsu since his wife is an Uzumaki.

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