Why is Hiruzen called god of shinobis?

[Kianto]

Why is the third hokage hiruzen known as the god of shinobis (entitled with it) and titled as proffessor known to know all the jutsus in konoha.

I mean ok he was strong against orochimaru for hes age... but i dont get it, kishi trolls us so hard, recent chapters, we heard from Dan that only Hashirama could stop madara, why cant the third also? if hes has that title and also iruka stated that he was the strongest hokage and kabuto stated that he was the strongest kage of hes era also. The Legendary Hiruzen!

I would love to ask Kishi face 2 face, whose stronger? Hiruzen or Hashirama..

so my question is to you guys?

Do you really think Hiruzen earns the title ''God of Shinobis''?

i know search buttom... but there weren't similar threads shown when i made this thread and i personally want to witness what people think in this thread

 

[Lysander]

I dont

 

[Nikes]

He knew all of the techniques known to Leaf Village meaning he is all knowing. So that's why. ^_^

 

[Kianto]

He knew all of the techniques known to Leaf Village meaning he is all knowing. So that's why. ^_^

yeah thats why he got the title proffessor.. xD but god of shinobis?... a little bit to epic for him.. maybe..

 

[Exaar]

I doubt Dan even Knows of the 3rd's True Power in his Prime. He has been dead for a long time, Him saying no one can beat Madara but hashirama was quite a stupid thing for him to Say, He doesn't even Know of Rinnegan/Wood Madara i doubt.

To me Hiruzen is the Strongest Hokage, Along with Enma being one of the Best summons we have seen so far.
I mean It's been stated that hiruzen has over 1000 Genjutsu's, Thats not counting his Ninjutsu, So he has more Jutsu's than even Kakashi.

Plus in his Old age (69 i think) and being able to Beat Both Edo 1st and 2nd hokages while Almost Killing Oro.

 

[Nikes]

yeah thats why he got the title proffessor.. xD but god of shinobis?... a little bit to epic for him.. maybe..

Yeah, but if he knows all of jutsu he is "all-knowing" God is all knowing. I really don't know haha.

 

[Houssem Uchiha]

i Think Hashirama's Stranger it Goes Like This :
Hashsirama=Madara>Hiruzen ( yes i think Madara lost on purpose just to get the DNA )

 

[Kianto]

I doubt Dan even Knows of the 3rd's True Power in his Prime. He has been dead for a long time, Him saying no one can beat Madara but hashirama was quite a stupid thing for him to Say, He doesn't even Know of Rinnegan/Wood Madara i doubt.

To me Hiruzen is the Strongest Hokage, Along with Enma being one of the Best summons we have seen so far.
I mean It's been stated that hiruzen has over 1000 Genjutsu's, Thats not counting his Ninjutsu, So he has more Jutsu's than even Kakashi.

Plus in his Old age (69 i think) and being able to Beat Both Edo 1st and 2nd hokages while Almost Killing Oro.

yeah agree but kishi trolls us hard.. like kabuto said that hashirama was consider as a fairy tale and dan by saying only Hashirama >Madara...

honestly, i really want to see a edo Hiruzen... but sucks that he sealed himself..

 

[Exaar]

i Think Hashirama's Stranger it Goes Like This :
Hashsirama=Madara>Hiruzen ( yes i think Madara lost on purpose just to get the DNA )

There's many way to Gain someones DNA, No need to go as far as summoning the kyuubi if you're Going to throw the Fight anyway.

 

[kourosh]

I doubt Dan even Knows of the 3rd's True Power in his Prime. He has been dead for a long time, Him saying no one can beat Madara but hashirama was quite a stupid thing for him to Say, He doesn't even Know of Rinnegan/Wood Madara i doubt.

To me Hiruzen is the Strongest Hokage, Along with Enma being one of the Best summons we have seen so far.
I mean It's been stated that hiruzen has over 1000 Genjutsu's, Thats not counting his Ninjutsu, So he has more Jutsu's than even Kakashi.

Plus in his Old age (69 i think) and being able to Beat Both Edo 1st and 2nd hokages while Almost Killing Oro.

you just said my word +rep

 

[Ssoul Eater]

Imo he was the strongest of hokages. I don't understand why ppl neglect this when it's clearly a manga fact.

 

[Serpent]

The 3rd Hokage, even in an old and weakened state, was able to beat Orochimaru and the 1st/2nd Hokages.. So yes, I believe that Sarutobi can beat Madara.

I know, some people will say that the Edo Tensei was weak and blah blah blah, but the only reason why the 3rd Hokage and the Edo Tensei's seemed weak is because you are comparing them to today's standards. at the time Kishi didn't know how strong he wanted to make the characters, but now he decided to go DBZ style and make them godlike.

 

[Kakashi Fang]

I understand the "Professor" moniker because he"knows" all the jutsu in Konoha.

The "God of Shinobi" nickname is a bit farfetched if you ask me. The only explanation that I can come up with is that the shinobi in part 1 were so ignorant and weak that they thought of Hiruzen and his cheap parlor tricks to be a God of Shinobi.

Ofcourse as it is now the readers of the manga "should" know that Hiruzen is not deserving of that nickname based off the feats shown by him.

Hiruzen and his hype is just a bunch of hot air.
Hashirama actually has feats of strength that you don't have to see to believe, like when he defeated Madara and Kurama, also defeated Kakazu.

 

[scottyy]

kinda got to look at also he held up for a while against the 1st and 2nd hokage when he fought orochimaru and he was old nearly killing orochimaru ..... if he had a little more dtrength Oro would have been sealed and alot would be different

 

[GodaimeRaikage]

I doubt Dan even Knows of the 3rd's True Power in his Prime. He has been dead for a long time, Him saying no one can beat Madara but hashirama was quite a stupid thing for him to Say, He doesn't even Know of Rinnegan/Wood Madara i doubt.

To me Hiruzen is the Strongest Hokage, Along with Enma being one of the Best summons we have seen so far.
I mean It's been stated that hiruzen has over 1000 Genjutsu's, Thats not counting his Ninjutsu, So he has more Jutsu's than even Kakashi.

Plus in his Old age (69 i think) and being able to Beat Both Edo 1st and 2nd hokages while Almost Killing Oro.

How would Dan not know of the Third Hokage's power but know of Hashirama's power?Dan was Tsunade's lover, meaning he was a Leaf shinobi during Hiruzen's prime.Furthermore, Dan was talking about the Madara he knows, meaning he didn't think anyone could beat Madara as he was when he fought Hashirama(no Wood release or Rinnegan).Also, it has never been stated Hiruzen can used 1000 genjutsu or jutsu period.That completely and utter bulls**t you made up.It was said that Hiruzen knew all the techniques within Konoha, which isn't the same as knowing how to used them all.Did Hiruzen have a sharingan and can used Kotoamatsukami?The answer is no.

In his old age Hiruzen took on two hokage who weren't fighting at any where near their full capabilities.Of the jutsu we know Hashirama have, we only saw two of them used in his fight with Hiruzen(one by his brother in the anime).Tobirama only used his water tech and not his S/T ninjutsu.And Orochirama was simple toying with Hiruzen.As for beating the 1st and 2nd Hokage, anyone could with the 4th Hokage Death Reaper Seal.

Now lets compare Hiruzen to Onoki, a Kage that is far older than Hiruzen when Hiruzen died.We have seen Onoki take on Edo Muu, destroy the 2nd Mizukage's clam summoning, lift an Giant turtle island, stop Madara's meteor and destroy the 1st hokage Wood Release: Advent of a World of Flowering Trees all at a far more advanced age than Hiruzen.

Hiruzen from what we have seen isn't the strongest kage, yet alone the Strongest Hokage.

Imo he was the strongest of hokages. I don't understand why ppl neglect this when it's clearly a manga fact.

It's a manga fact if you stop reading the manga 300 chapters ago.Kabuto just a few chapters back place Hashirama name right below that of the Sage Of The Six Paths.

 

[The Riddlerr]

What you and, almost every other person fails to realize is the massive power jumps between part 1 and part 2 and simply assume because of what we saw in Part 1, that's how strong Hiruzen is.

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- Orochimaru states he has Tobirama and Hashirama return to their true forms.

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- Here we have the ANBU confirming they're gaining more and more Vitality, which means they're becoming stronger.

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- Before you try and say they were being controlled by Orochimaru, I'll refer you to read this, as it says they turn into mindless killing machines... But it doesn't ever say that Orochimaru is controlling them.


As for his abilities, whilst we didn't get to see that much from him, we still know he was amazing in battle...

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- Even though his Chakra level is much lower than what it used to be, he is still able to beat Orochimaru, Hashirama and Tobirama.

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- This is just Orochimaru telling us of one of his epithets which would be 'The Professor'

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- And this is the other epithet... 'The God of the Shinobi'

 

[Exaar]

How would Dan not know of the Third Hokage's power but know of Hashirama's power?Dan was Tsunade's lover, meaning he was a Leaf shinobi during Hiruzen's prime.Furthermore, Dan was talking about the Madara he knows, meaning he didn't think anyone could beat Madara as he was when he fought Hashirama(no Wood release or Rinnegan).Also, it has never been stated Hiruzen can used 1000 genjutsu or jutsu period.That completely and utter bulls**t you made up.It was said that Hiruzen knew all the techniques within Konoha, which isn't the same as knowing how to used them all.Did Hiruzen have a sharingan and can used Kotoamatsukami?The answer is no.

In his old age Hiruzen took on two hokage who weren't fighting at any where near their full capabilities.Of the jutsu we know Hashirama have, we only saw two of them used in his fight with Hiruzen(one by his brother in the anime).Tobirama only used his water tech and not his S/T ninjutsu.And Orochirama was simple toying with Hiruzen.As for beating the 1st and 2nd Hokage, anyone could with the 4th Hokage Death Reaper Seal.

Now lets compare Hiruzen to Onoki, a Kage that is far older than Hiruzen when Hiruzen died.We have seen Onoki take on Edo Muu, destroy the 2nd Mizukage's clam summoning, lift an Giant turtle island, stop Madara's meteor and destroy the 1st hokage Wood Release: Advent of a World of Flowering Trees all at a far more advanced age than Hiruzen.

Hiruzen from what we have seen isn't the strongest kage, yet alone the Strongest Hokage.


It's a manga fact if you stop reading the manga 300 chapters ago.Kabuto just a few chapters back place Hashirama name right below that of the Sage Of The Six Paths.

@ BOld 1, He was Going of the Hype Given to hashirama.

@bold 2, Yes it has been shown in a Manga scan. Owarij Was the one who Linked the scan, You will have to ask him For it.
it was awhile ago, So finding the Thread will be a Pain.

@bold 3, No he isn't right under the Sage, Kabuto (with current Edo Madara) is Far above hashirama, Nagato has a Chance of Beating him, So does Km naruto.

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Found it.

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[GodaimeRaikage]

@ BOld 1, He was Going of the Hype Given to hashirama.

@bold 2, Yes it has been shown in a Manga scan. Owarij Was the one who Linked the scan, You will have to ask him For it.
it was awhile ago, So finding the Thread will be a Pain.

Hype that the last few manga chapter has confirmed about Hashirama.And that isn't even the half of Hashirama powers.But one thing you are forgeting, Dan might be going on hype about Hashirama, but he knows about Hiruzen power.He was Tsunade lover, who was a student of Hiruzen.He was a high ranking Leaf Shinobi during Hiruzen prime.So if he doesn't think anyone could beat Madara but Hashirama, there is some true to his words in regards to excluding Hiruzen.


As for that scan, I will search for it, but I doubt it exist.Usually, anything about a character abilities are on naruto.wikia but I don't see this 1000 genjutus thing any where.

 

[Exaar]

Hype that the last few manga chapter has confirmed about Hashirama.And that isn't even the half of Hashirama powers.But one thing you are forgeting, Dan might be going on hype about Hashirama, but he knows about Hiruzen power.He was Tsunade lover, who was a student of Hiruzen.He was a high ranking Leaf Shinobi during Hiruzen prime.So if he doesn't think anyone could beat Madara but Hashirama, there is some true to his words in regards to excluding Hiruzen.


As for that scan, I will search for it, but I doubt it exist.Usually, anything about a character abilities are on naruto.wikia but I don't see this 1000 genjutus thing any where.

Just edited my post with the scan.

Wiki only has the Abilities that have Been shown so Far, It doesn't have Every ability. It's only a Fanmade Site.