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[slashestranged]

Re: The last tobi = obito thread :')

rin did die

 

[The Hidden Shinobi]

Re: The last tobi = obito thread :')

Lol I'm stating the obvious mate, but you keep holding on to your theory if it helps you sleep better at night. I never actually had a problem with your theory at all I was only stating a couple of points in it, but if you want to jump on your high horse then by all means do so. The "sorry Kishi" thing is just pathetic to say the least I never said that everything I said was fact I also stated in one post that I could be wrong go back and read my replies if you need proof. I said I bet my bottom dollar that he doesn't have ninjutsu in both eye's that is not implying that it's a FACT however what is a fact is that in the image provided that I quoted those were not wrinkles so why he used that image for I'll never know. I have no f***ing idea who Tobi is like everyone else I am guessing I don't think he is Obito like I said he has never been showen to be able to de-activate his sharingan something that only Uchiha can do. Its the same thing with Kakashi and Danzo non Uchiha's that have a sharingan but can't de-activate theirs either.

Sorry I just don't like when people state things that hasn't been proven if I said tobi is obito people would get pissed off because I am not kishi so how would I know.
what that picture was saying is that we have only seen one side of tobi's face and not the other so how do we no the rinkles are on the other side

I agree with your we haven't seen him de-activate his sharingan theory so it is possible that tobi could not even be an an uchiha

The point of this thread was that I don't like how people say it is "impossible" for tobi to be obito, basically I don't like it when people state things that they can't prove

 

[Tartarus]

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lool w/e u say kid

just trying to keep an open mind bro

 

[The Hidden Shinobi]

Re: The last tobi = obito thread :')

rin did die

Which makes what we said about rin very possible

 

[Tartarus]

Re: The last tobi = obito thread :')

Thats correct but I bet my bottom dollar that he only one of his eye's had ninjutsu

I'm not sure why you used that image for they aren't wrinkles at least not from old age(infact I think they are actually veins or something like that) its pretty clear that Tobi is old his wrinkles are old age wrinkles not something he was born with.

btw just in case, that willful ignorance comment wasn't for you. Anyways If I'm remembering correctly, I think Danzo had 1 eye with KA, and Itachi had the other eye which also had KA.

 

[Beastbomb]

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Sorry I just don't like when people state things that hasn't been proven if I said tobi is obito people would get pissed off because I am not kishi so how would I know.
what that picture was saying is that we have only seen one side of tobi's face and not the other so how do we no the rinkles are on the other side

I agree with your we haven't seen him de-activate his sharingan theory so it is possible that tobi could not even be an an uchiha

The point of this thread was that I don't like how people say it is "impossible" for tobi to be obito, basically I don't like it when people state things that they can't prove

All good mate, but its a manga so nothing is impossible Tobi could be anyone or no one, he could be Obito or he could not be, but from what we have seen its just unlikley that its Obito thats all. But as you say only Kishi knows who he is I thik everyone has their own theory on who Tobi is and all theories so far could be wrong and he might be someone we don't know about but one thing is for certain we will find out eventually.

 

[Koibito]

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NO, Tobi was grown when he fought Minato while Obito would have been a teenager and plus Obito lost one of his sharingan but Tobi had both his sharingan when he fought Konan. Tobi is not Obito

 

[Beastbomb]

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btw just in case, that willful ignorance comment wasn't for you. Anyways If I'm remembering correctly, I think Danzo had 1 eye with KA, and Itachi had the other eye which also had KA.

Yeah I realised that I wasn't having a go at you or anything and yes Danzo did its fairly safe to assume that it was KA that he was using on Mifune at the kage summit however it hasn't been clearly stated that it was actually KA but I'm happy to go with that.

 

[~WastelandSociety~]

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Um Obito is dead. Theres no reason for him to start a war since he wants peace.

I believe it's Izuni madara brother. Who else can Madara trust with his plans? Either a best friend,a family member,or a clone.
Again, I say it's Izuni. Madara had the rinn before he died. He could have brought his brother back from the dead.
Plus in the manga,while tobi was talking to sasuke about Madara taking his brother eyes,Tobi made a fist as if he didn't like the thought.

 

[The Hidden Shinobi]

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NO, Tobi was grown when he fought Minato while Obito would have been a teenager and plus Obito lost one of his sharingan but Tobi had both his sharingan when he fought Konan. Tobi is not Obito

Welllllll you obviously didn't read my orginal post then !! I show links countering all of this

 

[The Hidden Shinobi]

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All good mate, but its a manga so nothing is impossible Tobi could be anyone or no one, he could be Obito or he could not be, but from what we have seen its just unlikley that its Obito thats all. But as you say only Kishi knows who he is I thik everyone has their own theory on who Tobi is and all theories so far could be wrong and he might be someone we don't know about but one thing is for certain we will find out eventually.

Well said.

 

[The Hidden Shinobi]

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Um Obito is dead. Theres no reason for him to start a war since he wants peace.

I believe it's Izuni madara brother. Who else can Madara trust with his plans? Either a best friend,a family member,or a clone.
Again, I say it's Izuni. Madara had the rinn before he died. He could have brought his brother back from the dead.
Plus in the manga,while tobi was talking to sasuke about Madara taking his brother eyes,Tobi made a fist as if he didn't like the thought.

We did not see obito die, tobi wants peace in his own twisted way the events after obito survived "if" he survived might be the reason for this twisted peace but like I said many times we don't know anything about tobi from before he was first shown on shippuden
Your theory about Izuni is possible we will just have to wait and see

 

[The Hidden Shinobi]

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This is the last time I reply today, before you post read all of the orginal post !!!!!!! I will reply some time tomorrow the point of this thread is to show that tobi could !!!!! be obito and it is not impossible

 

[Thewargoeson]

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i like te theory, but i just dont get why would obito turn on the village? and wouldnt minato have found him since he had cleaned out the whole area? just dont get it.

 

[slashestranged]

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he may have cleaned out the area after he left. and he still thinks hes achieving peace so in his mind he isnt the bad guy

 

[Deadai]

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good job, people need to not be close minded and open their eyes to all possabilities. one thing that ticks me off is that everyone was so sure that tobi was madara and still is and insist on calling him obito because the are so stuck on not calling him tobi, his origional given name, we still do not know his true identity so we should use the iddentity given to him, if ppl are so stuck on not calling hime tobi, we can call him no name, he even says that he doesnt care who he is. now, take these things into consideration
madara is the only uchiha known to unlock the renningan, near his death, possably had some senzu dna left in him or quite possably stole some of the 1sts?
now, we do know that madara had died or would have been unable to have been revived
madara spoke of pain presuming a plan he had involving pain reviving him or at least knowing that pain had recieved the eyes if it twas not him who had implantedc them in hime on his own accored at least somewhere in his bloodline, possably with his parents whom also did not like the leaf wich madara saught to destroy and tried to attack leaf soldiers to make sure nothing happened to pain or to awaken pains eyes
however, this was more around the time of the 2nd hokage, quite sometime after madaras given death date, even if it was a final illusion and he ran away from the battlew to live a while longer, or as we have seen from others, could have sealed half of is soul or something away till a different given date,
pain was a child during the second ninja war and was uzumaki wich were related to senju, renningan required uchiha and senju
obito was a child during the third ninja war
\now, we absolutly know that zetsu has something to do with tobi's being, and we know madara knew of pain who was born during the 2nd nin WW but "died" during the 1st nin WW
obito, again 3rd nin ww, him and his comrades were attacked by two of those from an opposing land, however, thier purpose seemed nonsensical, possably manipulated or just wondering and came accross obitos group. now, obito hadnt seemed to have an ounce of bad in his blood but tobi had said that all uchiha were bound to go down the path of blood and hatred, we could never see this in inocent obito
however, tobi seems vary confused about his own path and srived for one goal and one goal alone,now, wether madara had plans of his own and tobi had plans of his own, or possably that they had planned together is unknown
now, tobi wants to become complete and we see that he uses sharingan and he uses renningan and he has dna of zetsu wich is dna of the first, however, his eyes wont become one, y? is he missing uchiha dna?or something else
he says he doesnt char what you call him or what he is, but it seems he is a patched up dool of parts
madar took his brothers eyes and his blood mixed with his brothers eyes combining thier individual eyes to one
sasuke replaced his with itachi's, he had unlocked EMS, or had itachis eyes had EMS previously? and given that itatchis body heals and "ETERNAL", would his normal MS be EMS? it seems that sasuke and itatchis susanoo combined
again, tobis body seems lacking or missing something yet put together by parts that wont unite completely or work together fully
now, Kakashis eyes can warp and teleport things, tobi is able to do the same yet more controled and due to zetsus dna, is able to phase through the earth and trees themselves
now, Madara clearly has plans and Tobi clearly has plans, wether their plans corralate or not dont seem to be known, possably they collide against eachother for madara had planned on pain bringing him back somehow or just that he believed his eyes had something to do with his revival, tobi did not seem to give to shits of pains death and even perhaps planned for it to take his eyes for himself to bring back madara on his own terms and possably unite with hime or control him with the moons eye? or to bring him back as part of some plan
now, it is safe to assume that tobi does have obitos eye given the teleportation abilities and i cant remember wther he had 2 or 3 comma on when seeing kakashi, but wether or not it is tobis body with thos eyes or if he is even in control of it is quiestionable for again, his eyes are not uniting, maybe tobi has two halfs?
ahh ha, now, we have seen, past tobi(when he faught minato) was very serious(like black zetsu) mid tobi was ridiculous and silly (like white zetsu) hav we seen him go from silly to serious or just seen him silly and seen him serious? he is curently vary serious and still needs to be complete
why is black tobi so important and lacking screen time? kishi killed off origional whit zetsu without a care and so many white clones, yet black is yet to be put into harms way and lacks screen time
im still not sure how many of these things connect but there is something there, possably something i am missing
now, in naruto shippuden ultimat ninja storm generations, in what they call "Madara's Story" it does not let u hear madara's voice, y? also, u are unable to play as past or mid tobi in this story, again, why?
also, tobi needs sasuke for part of his plan, keep that in mind, possably new or more complete body?
now, tobi used izunagi and had had another eye that he had sacrificed other than the one he always shows, now, has he warped at all? why was he hiding that eye wich he so wilingly disregarded and replaced with renningan? he can still be intanganable though
somewhere along the line, coult tobi, zetsu, or spirit of madar have come accross obitos body?
now, again, sasuke is needed, could obitos body that has been being used become weak or out of date and now sasuke is needed to replace it? or his eyes?
also, tobi is yet to use susano, why? is it also related to his eyes not uniting?
again, tobi seems patched up, maybe the secret is not in his left half of his face, but, the bottom? or both?
also, tobi is vary insistant that he gave those eyes to pain, what had he to do with that? cuz aagain, madara was the only one in this picture who had honestly awakened the renningan
when pain was revived, he had the reningan, did edo tensei bring hime back to his death date and all he had? or was he born with those eyes rather than having them implanted in him as a child and what had madara or pain hav to do with this? were his parents even his real parents or possably zetsus?
tobi seems vary one track minded, and also not all their upstairs as though he himself is not sure of his own identity, he also can get vary confident of his own mortality, he understands completely when he is being tricked to falling into a trap and purposly puts himeself into it just to see what the plan was cuz he doesnt worry about actually being caught inthe trap
i had much more to this conspirasy, but, i cannot remember from the top of my head, srry ^^"

 

[slashestranged]

Re: The last tobi = obito thread :')

good job, people need to not be close minded and open their eyes to all possabilities. one thing that ticks me off is that everyone was so sure that tobi was madara and still is and insist on calling him obito because the are so stuck on not calling him tobi, his origional given name, we still do not know his true identity so we should use the iddentity given to him, if ppl are so stuck on not calling hime tobi, we can call him no name, he even says that he doesnt care who he is. now, take these things into consideration
madara is the only uchiha known to unlock the renningan, near his death, possably had some senzu dna left in him or quite possably stole some of the 1sts?
now, we do know that madara had died or would have been unable to have been revived
madara spoke of pain presuming a plan he had involving pain reviving him or at least knowing that pain had recieved the eyes if it twas not him who had implantedc them in hime on his own accored at least somewhere in his bloodline, possably with his parents whom also did not like the leaf wich madara saught to destroy and tried to attack leaf soldiers to make sure nothing happened to pain or to awaken pains eyes
however, this was more around the time of the 2nd hokage, quite sometime after madaras given death date, even if it was a final illusion and he ran away from the battlew to live a while longer, or as we have seen from others, could have sealed half of is soul or something away till a different given date,
pain was a child during the second ninja war and was uzumaki wich were related to senju, renningan required uchiha and senju
obito was a child during the third ninja war
\now, we absolutly know that zetsu has something to do with tobi's being, and we know madara knew of pain who was born during the 2nd nin WW but "died" during the 1st nin WW
obito, again 3rd nin ww, him and his comrades were attacked by two of those from an opposing land, however, thier purpose seemed nonsensical, possably manipulated or just wondering and came accross obitos group. now, obito hadnt seemed to have an ounce of bad in his blood but tobi had said that all uchiha were bound to go down the path of blood and hatred, we could never see this in inocent obito
however, tobi seems vary confused about his own path and srived for one goal and one goal alone,now, wether madara had plans of his own and tobi had plans of his own, or possably that they had planned together is unknown
now, tobi wants to become complete and we see that he uses sharingan and he uses renningan and he has dna of zetsu wich is dna of the first, however, his eyes wont become one, y? is he missing uchiha dna?or something else
he says he doesnt char what you call him or what he is, but it seems he is a patched up dool of parts
madar took his brothers eyes and his blood mixed with his brothers eyes combining thier individual eyes to one
sasuke replaced his with itachi's, he had unlocked EMS, or had itachis eyes had EMS previously? and given that itatchis body heals and "ETERNAL", would his normal MS be EMS? it seems that sasuke and itatchis susanoo combined
again, tobis body seems lacking or missing something yet put together by parts that wont unite completely or work together fully
now, Kakashis eyes can warp and teleport things, tobi is able to do the same yet more controled and due to zetsus dna, is able to phase through the earth and trees themselves
now, Madara clearly has plans and Tobi clearly has plans, wether their plans corralate or not dont seem to be known, possably they collide against eachother for madara had planned on pain bringing him back somehow or just that he believed his eyes had something to do with his revival, tobi did not seem to give to shits of pains death and even perhaps planned for it to take his eyes for himself to bring back madara on his own terms and possably unite with hime or control him with the moons eye? or to bring him back as part of some plan
now, it is safe to assume that tobi does have obitos eye given the teleportation abilities and i cant remember wther he had 2 or 3 comma on when seeing kakashi, but wether or not it is tobis body with thos eyes or if he is even in control of it is quiestionable for again, his eyes are not uniting, maybe tobi has two halfs?
ahh ha, now, we have seen, past tobi(when he faught minato) was very serious(like black zetsu) mid tobi was ridiculous and silly (like white zetsu) hav we seen him go from silly to serious or just seen him silly and seen him serious? he is curently vary serious and still needs to be complete
why is black tobi so important and lacking screen time? kishi killed off origional whit zetsu without a care and so many white clones, yet black is yet to be put into harms way and lacks screen time
im still not sure how many of these things connect but there is something there, possably something i am missing
now, in naruto shippuden ultimat ninja storm generations, in what they call "Madara's Story" it does not let u hear madara's voice, y? also, u are unable to play as past or mid tobi in this story, again, why?
also, tobi needs sasuke for part of his plan, keep that in mind, possably new or more complete body?
now, tobi used izunagi and had had another eye that he had sacrificed other than the one he always shows, now, has he warped at all? why was he hiding that eye wich he so wilingly disregarded and replaced with renningan? he can still be intanganable though
somewhere along the line, coult tobi, zetsu, or spirit of madar have come accross obitos body?
now, again, sasuke is needed, could obitos body that has been being used become weak or out of date and now sasuke is needed to replace it? or his eyes?
also, tobi is yet to use susano, why? is it also related to his eyes not uniting?
again, tobi seems patched up, maybe the secret is not in his left half of his face, but, the bottom? or both?
also, tobi is vary insistant that he gave those eyes to pain, what had he to do with that? cuz aagain, madara was the only one in this picture who had honestly awakened the renningan
when pain was revived, he had the reningan, did edo tensei bring hime back to his death date and all he had? or was he born with those eyes rather than having them implanted in him as a child and what had madara or pain hav to do with this? were his parents even his real parents or possably zetsus?
tobi seems vary one track minded, and also not all their upstairs as though he himself is not sure of his own identity, he also can get vary confident of his own mortality, he understands completely when he is being tricked to falling into a trap and purposly puts himeself into it just to see what the plan was cuz he doesnt worry about actually being caught inthe trap
i had much more to this conspirasy, but, i cannot remember from the top of my head, srry ^^"

tl;dr

please concise that

 

[teejay3kings]

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Why does this thread have a big similarity with this thread?

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[Deadai]

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tl;dr

please concise that

does tht mean to long dont read? cuz i can make it alot smother and readable, plus if you actually start reading it rather than looking and giving up like that u might find urself inticed

 

[AirYeezy]

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notice how tobi never tries to attack kakashi when ever they meet