Nagato Overrated!! 1 vs 1

[Mercury Uzumaki]

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Ill agree to an exstint. I do Believe Madara was the most prized so got a better power up then the rest.But it is still clear that Nagato's body was stronger an did not have post sticking out of his back! You would have to say thats making his body stronger. I am not sure if he intensified his jutsu's cause it dosnt state that anywhere.

 

[Ryuu..]

Come on you know Naruto in KM can take him. I means there is no comparison between KM and SM.

And i think your underestimating Minato and Sasuke.
Sasuke is not as strong as Naruto in KM(i believe) but he has shown us he's a lot stronger with EMS. Spamming Ameterasu and the Ameterasu sword would definately take out te paths.

And Minato is brilliant im sure he could make use all his chakra while dodging. then finish the deal. Pains weakness is Minato's strength FTG takes no chakra and I know Nagato has a lot but his techniques also require a lot in the fight against Naruto he was almost drained by the time Naruto got to him.

KM Naruto cannot defeat Nagato. Remember their last encounter?

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[6PathsofKami]

Ill agree to an exstint. I do Believe Madara was the most prized so got a better power up then the rest.But it is still clear that Nagato's body was stronger an did not have post sticking out of his back! You would have to say thats making his body stronger. I am not sure if he intensified his jutsu's cause it dosnt state that anywhere.

His body wasnt stronger until nagato absorbed narutos chakra and regain his health. Those rods on his back only affects him when its connected to the gedo mazo.

 

[Mercury Uzumaki]

His body wasnt stronger until nagato absorbed narutos chakra and regain his health. Those rods on his back only affects him when its connected to the gedo mazo.

Thats just an assumption. And I dont think that was true. If this was the case why didnt he just absorb chakra when he was alive and to get his body back to 100%. The logic just dosn't make sense. We would have seen another pain when he was alive if that was the case. Im going to go back and reread some manga's I dont remember when it ever stated that Nagato was sick or even what his sickness was. Also kinda weird cause tobi has used the gedo mazo and didnt have any of the effect that nagato did which also makes me think that Nagato forced that power. Also proof about the rods being connected to Gedo mazo, that dosnt really make sense cause in Konans paper tree there was no Gedo Mazo.

 

[FloriGlori]

I totally agree that he's often overrated, but you are doing the exact opposite.
I mean, Bee or A defeating Nagato? Most unlikely

 

[Mercury Uzumaki]

KM Naruto cannot defeat Nagato. Remember their last encounter?

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I do but I also remember that Nagato is a Edo. I've never seen Nagato do that when he was alive because his body was a lot les mobile. He was in a wheelchair like machine with rods in his back.

 

[Ryuu..]

I do but I also remember that Nagato is a Edo. I've never seen Nagato do that when he was alive because his body was a lot les mobile. He was in a wheelchair like machine with rods in his back.

When people talk about Nagato in a 1 vs 1 they always talk about a healthy, mobile Nagato.

 

[Mercury Uzumaki]

I agree that he's often overrated.. but you are doing the exact opposite.
I mean, Bee or A defeating Nagato? :'D Not.

I can agree with you there I've retracted B and A since the discussion began I mean reallistically B had problems with Kisame i dont think he could take Nagato and A havn't seen enough techs from him to say he could beat Nagato he would probably lose also.

 

[Mercury Uzumaki]

When people talk about Nagato in a 1 vs 1 they always talk about a healthy, mobile Nagato.

Yeah but there is no such this as healthy mobile Nagato that was one of Kabuto's Edo summons. If i had seen Nagato with the mobile body when he was alive instead of in the chair I would not have made this thread. Nagato's techniques are emmense but we still have to take into fact the real Nagato not the Edo. Its the same as saying Madara was as strong as his edo but just not to the same exstint seeing Kabuto powered him up for than all the edo's.

 

[FloriGlori]

I can agree with you there I've retracted B and A since the discussion began I mean reallistically B had problems with Kisame i dont think he could take Nagato and A havn't seen enough techs from him to say he could beat Nagato he would probably lose also.

Nice to hear. Bee is just too.. dumb, apart from that Hachibi can't be compared to Kyuubi. As for A.. he's just too one-sided to beat Nagato, on top of that his body can't compare to the resistent one of his father, which itself was an ultimate shield. No, they don't stand a chance against hNagato. I agree with mostly everything else you said, however. He has no chance at beating Tobi, Madara or (in case Edo Tensei is allowed) Kabuto. And Itachi, Hashirama, Naruto and Sasuke could at least stand their ground against him.

 

[Mercury Uzumaki]

Tobi - havnt seen much of what he can do but tobi with sharingan and rinnegan will beat him
Kabuto- no
Naruto - yes, he already beat him but just about and he had help but now he is more powerful so he can beat healthy nagato.
Sasuke - no
Bee - no
Madara - maybe
Hashirama - yes but nagato will give him a good fight
A - no
Itachi - no because of the drawbacks of his eye going blind with use of MS so a long fight wont suite him but nagato could last a long fight. If Itachi could get EMS then maybe but i would still say nagato will win
Minato - another tricky one not much is know about minatos other abilitys, im gona go with nagato on this one.



All these are against healthy nagato ofcourse assuming he never had to use gedo mazo and remember he can use that sucking path ability to heal any damage. No edos aswell

kabuto with Edo's his technique so you cant take that away.
I think Sasuke with EMS can with the techniques i've seen

and almost agree with everything else. Minito takes it i believe he can wear him down using FTG but we have not seen all his techs your right.

I Dont believe in healthy Nagato cause that was him in Edo not alive. I dont think he could use that body anymore after Gedo Mazo.

 

[Finn]

fail thread, nagato is top 5. get over it

 

[Mercury Uzumaki]

Nice to hear. Bee is just too.. dumb, apart from that Hachibi can't be compared to Kyuubi. As for A.. he's just too one-sided to beat Nagato, on top of that his body can't compare to the resistent one of his father, which itself was an ultimate shield.

I agree with mostly everything else you said, however. He has no chance at beating Tobi, Madara or (in case Edo Tensei is allowed) Kabuto. And Itachi, Hashirama, Naruto and Sasuke could at least stand his ground against him.

I kinda threw a and b in there because there stronger than Naruto in SM but after a little thought you and a couple others were correct. And A just hasn't shown me enough Jutsu's to say he could take him. Thats a bad match up for A and Bee and probably A's father also seeing that Nagato can take their chakra. I dont like kabuto to much but I have to give him respect because of the impure resurrection technique he has been elevated to one of the strongest characters. Maybe even higher than tobi seeing that because of the people he resurrected. It's a cowerdly way to fight but it is what it is. Itachi may have some problems he would have to end the fight quick because the longer the fight the more he's at a disadvantage.

 

[6PathsofKami]

Thats just an assumption. And I dont think that was true. If this was the case why didnt he just absorb chakra when he was alive and to get his body back to 100%. The logic just dosn't make sense. We would have seen another pain when he was alive if that was the case. Im going to go back and reread some manga's I dont remember when it ever stated that Nagato was sick or even what his sickness was. Also kinda weird cause tobi has used the gedo mazo and didnt have any of the effect that nagato did which also makes me think that Nagato forced that power. Also proof about the rods being connected to Gedo mazo, that dosnt really make sense cause in Konans paper tree there was no Gedo Mazo.

He didnt do it when he was alive because he couldnt walk his legs got damaged by hanzo and its too risky and because he would become too powerful so kishi didnt do it. He wasnt sick, his life energy was sucked out of him when he summoned the gedo mazo which made him weak. The rods came from the gedo mazo when he summoned it against hanzo, they arnt connected to nagato anymore. I think that blue dragon jutsu from the gedo mazos mouth required life energy thats why it did that to nagato but if you use it to absorb bijuus then it doesnt do that. That explains why tobi is using it without it sticking rods in his back.

 

[Mercury Uzumaki]

fail thread, nagato is top 5. get over it

LOL im Glad to hear your opinion but your wrong. Top 5 no top 10 yes

Kabuto
Tobi
Naruto
Hashirama
Madara

After that I would have to go with Sasuke with EMS
But top 5 no my friend.

 

[Mercury Uzumaki]

He didnt do it when he was alive because he couldnt walk his legs got damaged by hanzo and its too risky and because he would become too powerful so kishi didnt do it. He wasnt sick, his life energy was sucked out of him when he summoned the gedo mazo which made him weak. The rods came from the gedo mazo when he summoned it against hanzo, they arnt connected to nagato anymore. I think that blue dragon jutsu from the gedo mazos mouth required life energy thats why it did that to nagato but if you use it to absorb bijuus then it doesnt do that. That explains why tobi is using it without it sticking rods in his back.

I believe thats why Tobi gave the eyes to Nagato so he could summon the Gedo Mazo instead of bearing the burden himself. Tobi seems to be very intelligent I think he knew the sacrifice you would have to give to summon the Gedo Mazo so he used Nagato. Good point On the Hanzo damaging the legs that is a valid point and may be true but im not convinced thats not why he didnt use that technique when he was alive. I like your argument though i wish we had Kishi to solve this one.

 

[Finn]

LOL im Glad to hear your opinion but your wrong. Top 5 no top 10 yes

Kabuto
Tobi
Naruto
Hashirama
Madara

After that I would have to go with Sasuke with EMS
But top 5 no my friend.

nope...

1-kabuto/tobi
2-tobi/kabuto
3-hashirama senju
4-nagato/madara
5-madara/nagato

untill naruto and sasuke show us more, they are still below him. he has madara's rinnegan along with probably the biggest chakra pool in the series apart from hashirama or naruto. He was also alot more accomplished with using the rinnegan powers than madara

 

[Mercury Uzumaki]

Tobi? Yes(only if he has the tailed beasts though)
Kabuto? Yes, only through edo tensei though
Madara? Yes
Naruto? No
Sasuke? No
Bee? No
Hashirama? No
A? Hell no
Itachi? Hell no
Minato? Hell no

I usually agree with a lot of what you say but some on your in denial on this one. Hashi cant beat Nagato? Naruto already did then got 2 power ups. People doubt the power of Minito and speed.

Crazy Madara can but Hashi cant Mokuton and FTG I think would easily be the biggest 2 downfalls to Nagato. It would be a hard battle for Itach but i think he could pull it out hmm Maybe 5 out of 10 fight so maybe there about even.

A and B your right.

 

[6PathsofKami]

kabuto with Edo's his technique so you cant take that away.
I think Sasuke with EMS can with the techniques i've seen

and almost agree with everything else. Minito takes it i believe he can wear him down using FTG but we have not seen all his techs your right.

I Dont believe in healthy Nagato cause that was him in Edo not alive. I dont think he could use that body anymore after Gedo Mazo.

Dude healthy nagato is not the same as edo nagato. When kabuto first summoned nagato he was in the same state as when he was alive, weak body and couldnt walk. Now after absorbing narutos chakra he regains his health. Now when i say healthy nagato i mean he can do the same if he was still alive to regain his strength and health. Again only reason he didnt was because he couldnt walk so it would be too risky so he used the pain bodys and they also give him the advantage since if the bodys die he doesnt. Another reason is kishi didnt do it to allow the plot to move forward.

Only reason why i said no to kabuto is because he relies on other's powers with edo but now that i think about it yeah he can defeat nagato with edo.

Minato will be tricky since he can just move away if he is caught so it will be difficult for nagato. Minato is only the tricky one, only kishi can decide who would win with this battle.

 

[Mercury Uzumaki]

nope...

1-kabuto/tobi
2-tobi/kabuto
3-hashirama senju
4-nagato/madara
5-madara/nagato

untill naruto and sasuke show us more, they are still below him. he has madara's rinnegan along with probably the biggest chakra pool in the series apart from hashirama or naruto. He was also alot more accomplished with using the rinnegan powers than madara

gotta drop him down a little. Fact his Naruto already beat him (that happened) after his 2 power ups ( I mean he can control Kurama)no contest.
The 8 teails gave him a major problem he said himself he coudn't believe the fox was that strong. Now add Naruto and the full power of the 9 tails and the fight is a no contest. Man do you really doubt Naruto that much. he's not only the main character for no reason but he gets better power ups than just about anyone. Nagato stoped pagressing when he died.