Why Jiraiya > Sasuke

[Ryuu..]

Yet I fail to see how that helps Jiraiya defeat Sasuke. Sasuke can easily burn through any frog, can control any summon with genjutsu, and can summon his hawk for better mobility if need be.

Jiraiya has NO way of getting through susanoo, no way of avoiding amaterasu(he's no as fast as V2 A), and I doubt he's even fast enough to evade the arrows.

This is without mentioning Sasuke can pretty much make anything thing he wishes out of his amaterasu, can even protect him further by covering his susanoo with amaterasu, and has pretty powerful genjutsu. Not to mention his fire jutsu, lightning jutsu, and his skill with his sword.

Jiraiya really doesn't have any way of defeating Sasuke.



I was referring to EMS Sasuke and EMS takes away the side effects of the strain on the users eyes.

And I've asked you how he's supposed to take control of the toad whilst inside the stomach and without eye contact. Moreover, this shows a way Jiraiya can possibly stall Sasuke or retreat to if he wants to gather nature energy.

Moreover, despite having EMS, Sasuke cannot maintain these abilities for an extended period of time. I can't remember who said it but they claimed it took Jiraiya 1 hour (I refute that it took that long) to enter sage mode vs Pain. I know there's not a chance Sasuke can keep up EMS abilities for 1 hour.

I also forgot to mention 'Toad Flatness — Shadow Manipulation Technique', which enables Jiraiya to temporarily establish control over the victim's mind and body.

 

[-Vegeta-]

no that you think j man dosnt know how to fight an uchiha is illogical my friend he took on the rinnegan and killed 4 of them

So what? He only beat 3 of them and that was when he fought them one on one. When all 5 were summoned he was destroyed.

That's another illogical argument.

Blaze is right you're not even worth replying to.

 

[Jonathon]

I can give you Amaterasu, but on multiple occasions Susanoo has been broken with enough powerful jutsu.

 

[Sasuke Fan Hater]

This vs thread is actually one the clearest vs threads and at any moment i can put this to bed, if i decide to take my time. Jiraiya stands a chance but sasuke is the clear favourite. U_U

It just what you think

 

[Naruto N. Uzumaki]

So what? He only beat 3 of them and that was when he fought them one on one. When all 5 were summoned he was destroyed.

That's another illogical argument.

Blaze is right you're not even worth replying to.

he made a mistake let his guard down and one other ones destroyed his arm

j man was losing lots of blood and with 1 arm still manged to kill animal path

 

[kourosh]

There's no doubting Sasuke is stronger than Jiraiya. However, Sasuke can be one of the most hot headed characters in the series, we saw Juugo and Suigetsu save his ass a number of times:

- We saw it vs the Raikage
- We saw it vs Bee

I think alot of people are seriously underestimating Jiraiya here. His experience in battle gives him a huge advantage over Sasuke. Jiraiya will be able to enter SM i'm sure of that. If he does there are a few ways he can defeat Sasuke. Although Susanoo cannot be broken into by any of Jiraiya's techs, it can be moved or unsettled by being summoned into a toads stomach (I'd like to see what would happen if it were to be put into the stomach acid.........).

susanoo will melt with acid,

 

[-Vegeta-]

And I've asked you how he's supposed to take control of the toad whilst inside the stomach and without eye contact. Moreover, this shows a way Jiraiya can possibly stall Sasuke or retreat to if he wants to gather nature energy.

Moreover, despite having EMS, Sasuke cannot maintain these abilities for an extended period of time. I can't remember who said it but they claimed it took Jiraiya 1 hour (I refute that it took that long) to enter sage mode vs Pain. I know there's not a chance Sasuke can keep up EMS abilities for 1 hour.

I also forgot to mention 'Toad Flatness — Shadow Manipulation Technique', which enables Jiraiya to temporarily establishe control over the victim's mind and body.

I never said he could control them from inside, but I did say he could easily burn through their stomach with amaterasu as Itachi did earlier in the manga.

Also where's the proof that Sasuke can't maintain the abilities for an extended period of time? MS Sasuke? Yes, but we're talking about EMS Sasuke and now he receives no pain from using his MS jutsu and he claimed to feel Itachi's power flowing through him, so it's not out of the realm of possibility that his chakra improved. When he had MS and was fighting Danzo Sasuke was able to maintain susanoo for a while.

As I said Jiraiya has zero ways of getting through susanoo or avoiding amaterasu even in SM(he's not as fast as V2 A).

I can give you Amaterasu, but on multiple occasions Susanoo has been broken with enough powerful jutsu.

A full susanoo has never been broken, only the ribcage version.

 

[Sasuke Fan Hater]

So what? He only beat 3 of them and that was when he fought them one on one. When all 5 were summoned he was destroyed.

That's another illogical argument.

Blaze is right you're not even worth replying to.

Jiraiya could have escaped but he didn't.(while in the barrier) So you fail

 

[Sasuke Fan Hater]

susanoo will melt with acid,

^This

 

[Naruto N. Uzumaki]

I never said he could control them from inside, but I did say he could easily burn through their stomach with amaterasu as Itachi did earlier in the manga.

Also where's the proof that Sasuke can't maintain the abilities for an extended period of time? MS Sasuke? Yes, but we're talking about EMS Sasuke and now he receives no pain from using his MS jutsu and he claimed to feel Itachi's power flowing through him, so it's not out of the realm of possibility that his chakra improved. When he had MS and was fighting Danzo Sasuke was able to maintain susanoo for a while.

As I said Jiraiya has zero ways of getting through susanoo or avoiding amaterasu even in SM(he's not as fast as V2 A).

let me use your line thats your assumption
ps Earth Release: Swamp of the Underworld: he juts sink his susanoo

 

[Lamar941]

I was referring to EMS Sasuke and EMS takes away the side effects of the strain on the users eyes.

Then fair enough, I will agree with you then.

 

[-Vegeta-]

let me use your line thats your assumption
ps Earth Release: Swamp of the Underworld he juts sink his susanoo

Sasuke can easily deactivate susanoo and escape.

Anyway I'm done replying to you because as Blaze said it's not even worth it.

 

[F1N1X]

Jiraya is an Incomplete Character,Without Us seeing All of his Abilities

I would have to say that He can't beat sasuke with what he has shown,Even if he was to go into SM BUT sasuke can't beat him because Sasuke doesn't have the experience to defeat Some like Jiraya
Amaterasu was sealed by Jiraya,we don't know what jiraya did with it,kishi has not explained what was the outcome of that
Amaterasu can still be held back for a while with fire or water which Jiraya has means to

But If Jiraya doesn't retreat,Sasuke would either Run out of Chakra or would kill Jiraya

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[Naruto N. Uzumaki]

Sasuke can easily deactivate susanoo and escape.

Anyway I'm done replying to you because as Blaze said it's not even worth it.

haha his trying to get out of it and trys escape and u thing j man will stand there and do nothing

and am sorry didn't know blazze was kishi

 

[Ryuu..]

I never said he could control them from inside, but I did say he could easily burn through their stomach with amaterasu as Itachi did earlier in the manga.

Also where's the proof that Sasuke can't maintain the abilities for an extended period of time? MS Sasuke? Yes, but we're talking about EMS Sasuke and now he receives no pain from using his MS jutsu and he claimed to feel Itachi's power flowing through him, so it's not out of the realm of possibility that his chakra improved. When he had MS and was fighting Danzo Sasuke was able to maintain susanoo for a while.

As I said Jiraiya has zero ways of getting through susanoo or avoiding amaterasu even in SM(he's not as fast as V2 A).



A full susanoo has never been broken, only the ribcage version.

Point is he may not have to physically attack Sasuke head on to defeat him. Let's not underrate the use of genjutsu. As we saw through ma & pa's technique, they were able to use high level sound-based genjutsu techniques that involve the use of sound waves to confuse, paralyse or immobilise the enemy.

Even if Sasuke could break out of the genjutsu he would not be quick enough to prevent Jiraiya from striking him. Jiraiya could reach him in a second or two and I don't believe Sasuke can maintain Susanoo whilst inside a genjutsu.

 

[Sasuke Fan Hater]

Jiraya is an Incomplete Character,Without Us seeing All of his Abilities

I would have to say that He can't beat sasuke with what he has shown,Even if he was to go into SM BUT sasuke can't beat him because Sasuke doesn't have the experience to defeat Some like Jiraya
Amaterasu was sealed by Jiraya,we don't know what jiraya did with it,kishi has not explained what was the outcome of that
Amaterasu can still be held back for a while with fire or water which Jiraya has means to

But If Jiraya doesn't retreat,Sasuke would either Run out of Chakra or would kill Jiraya

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You are ignored. U_U

 

[Blaze Release]

And I've asked you how he's supposed to take control of the toad whilst inside the stomach and without eye contact. Moreover, this shows a way Jiraiya can possibly stall Sasuke or retreat to if he wants to gather nature energy.

Moreover, despite having EMS, Sasuke cannot maintain these abilities for an extended period of time. I can't remember who said it but they claimed it took Jiraiya 1 hour (I refute that it took that long) to enter sage mode vs Pain. I know there's not a chance Sasuke can keep up EMS abilities for 1 hour.

I also forgot to mention 'Toad Flatness — Shadow Manipulation Technique', which enables Jiraiya to temporarily establish control over the victim's mind and body.

At the highlighted part, it was this technique a barrier ninjutsu;

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That jutsu;

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Nagato had already seen that barrier but still risked one path in animal to kill jiraiya and with that got trapped. Sasuke has no reason to break though that barrier. Like the rennigan, the shairgan can see chakra.

That shadow techniques is temporal and its used to hide, jiraiya taking control over sasuke's for a few minutes isnt dong anything because he cannot attack regardless because he merges with the sasuke's shadow

 

[Sasuke Fan Hater]

Sasuke can easily deactivate susanoo and escape.

Anyway I'm done replying to you because as Blaze said it's not even worth it.

You...! Sasuke fan :scorps:....accept your defeat to sage kyubi naruto

haha his trying to get out of it and trys escape and u thing j man will stand there and do nothing

and am sorry didn't know blazze was kishi

 

[Punk Hazard]

let me use your line thats your assumption
ps Earth Release: Swamp of the Underworld: he juts sink his susanoo

What's to say Sasuke can't just summon a hawk and fly upwards, giving him an aerial advantage.

 

[-Vegeta-]

Point is he may not have to physically attack Sasuke head on to defeat him. Let's not underrate the use of genjutsu. As we saw through ma & pa's technique, hey were able to use high level sound-based genjutsu techniques that involve the use of sound waves to confuse, paralyse or immobilise the enemy.

Even if Sasuke could break out of the genjutsu he would not be quick enough to prevent Jiraiya from striking him. Jiraiya could reach him in a second or two and I don't believe Sasuke can maintain Susanoo whilst inside a genjutsu.

Sasuke's a sharingan user and you think he wouldn't be able to see through that genjutsu? Not to mention they actually have to trap Sasuke in the genjutsu first, which would be extremely difficult.

This is provided Sasuke doesn't kill him first with amaterasu, susanoo, or some form of enton manipulation.

Most of Sasuke's attacks are simply too fast for Jiraiya imo.

Anyway I'm out because this thread is getting boring. Last thing I want to do is help a troll get a hot thread.