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Who do you think Tobi is:

  • Jubbi

    Votes: 21 3.0%
  • Sage of Six Paths

    Votes: 10 1.4%
  • Elder son of Sage of Sixth Path

    Votes: 65 9.3%
  • Izuna uchiha

    Votes: 105 15.0%
  • Kagami uchiha

    Votes: 71 10.1%
  • Obito Uchiha

    Votes: 77 11.0%
  • Fugaku Uchiha

    Votes: 16 2.3%
  • Zetsu

    Votes: 16 2.3%
  • Madara's split personality (created before original body died.)

    Votes: 66 9.4%
  • A copycat whose rolemodel is Madara.

    Votes: 13 1.9%
  • Tobirama

    Votes: 15 2.1%
  • An unknown Uchiha

    Votes: 23 3.3%
  • Real Madara in Zetsu body

    Votes: 28 4.0%
  • Some one from Madara's time ( can't decide though)

    Votes: 7 1.0%
  • Danzou

    Votes: 8 1.1%
  • Setsuna Uchiha

    Votes: 7 1.0%
  • Shisui

    Votes: 14 2.0%
  • An Uzumaki

    Votes: 15 2.1%
  • Madara's Son

    Votes: 23 3.3%
  • A woman

    Votes: 21 3.0%
  • Obito's father

    Votes: 19 2.7%
  • Someone Other than these

    Votes: 24 3.4%
  • First Edo tensie

    Votes: 7 1.0%
  • An alien ( Superman/ HeMan/whatnot)

    Votes: 7 1.0%
  • I am the best. I have no theory. ( Not anymore at least.)

    Votes: 22 3.1%

  • Total voters
    700
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The Man behind the Mask! A theory for a possible Tobi identity

The Man behind the mask:

There have been plenty of theories about the true identity of Tobi. From Tobi=Obito to Tobi=Izuna. I believed that none of these theories are possible enough to uncover the secret of the man behind the mask.

I’ll start my theory by eliminating the other theories. Tobi can’t be Obito, Shisui, or Kagami Uchiha and heres why:

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The scan above shows that Kurama knows Tobi. How? Tobi had his mask the whole time. The only reason for this is the chakra. Kurama might have known this person or even met him. The scan above eliminates the other theories because we all know that Kurama was sealed within Mito then Kushina. From this point of time, Kurama doesn't know about Obito, Shisui, or Kagami Uchiha.

Is Tobi Izuna? No!

Here’s why:
We can see here that the price to control Kurama is blindness and it was said that only an MS or EMS user can control Kurama.

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We also know that Madara achieve his EMS by getting Izuna’s eyes

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It was said that Izuna died in a battle, fighting to the death even in his blind state and not only that, it is impossible for him to be Tobi because after them, the next one to awaken MS are Itachi, Shisui, and Kakashi and we all know the MS is needed to control Kurama. These guys are still youngsters during the time when Tobi controlled Kurama and as I said, Kurama knows who Tobi is without seeing his face.

Is Tobi Madara? No!

We all know that Madara was summoned by the use of Edo Tensei. The technique calls the soul of a departed human back from the afterlife. It means that Madara had died.

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The scan above shows how edo tensei works and below shows that Madara really died.

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Who is the man behind the mask?

I believe that Tobi is the elder son of the sage. Only the sage’s son have the DNA of both Uchiha and Senju to do Izanagi

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It could not be the younger son because Tobi’s ideal to achieve peace is through war.

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The same ideal for the elder son of the sage

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Have you even wondered why Tobi knows so much about the sage’s sons history and how the curse of Uchiha’s hatred begun? Even the Kage’s doesn’t know about that. Of all people, Tobi knows the history of the sage and until now we haven’t seen him using MS. The scan below shows Tobi explaining that MS can decode more than the sharingan and the rinnegan can do more.

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We know that Tobi gave his eyes to Nagato as seen here:

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Question: How did Tobi obtained the Rinnegan?

Madara awakened the Rinnegan shortly before his death.

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We know that Tobi is not Madara because Madara was summoned through Edo Tensei. Again, how did Tobi get the rinnegan?

Only the elder son posseses the sage’s eyes

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It explains why Kurama knows him without seeing his face. Tobi’s ideal and the sage’s elder son are the same. They both believe that might is the key to peace.

If Tobi is the elder son of the sage why is he alive until now?

Izanagi was once used to create life

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If the sage was able to create the tailed beast with the use of Izanagi, Tobi can also do that because he has the DNA of both Uchiha and Senju.

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What I’m referring to?

It leads me to believe that he created the original Zetsu with the use of Izanagi and then uses Hashirama’s cell to create more. He uses it to preserve his body. We all know that our body will age so it is not possible for him to live this long. Tobi is not immortal because if he is then he will not be using zetsu’s body

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Please take a look at his arm. It definitely not an arm of a human being. No bones but just some kind of substance that melted.Another thing is, Zetsu is a mystery. We don’t know where he came from, or if he has relatives. Like Tobi, he’s a complete mystery. He’s the only one that knows the complete plan of Tobi or even Tobi’s identity.

Conclusion: Tobi is the elder son of the sage that uses a zetsu body to live long.
 
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Re: The Man behind the Mask! A theory for a possible Tobi identity

Dude this is actually an extremely interesting theory. Since we know that Tobi and Madara had originally planned to work together, I always wondered if when Madara says you gave me some of your power if he was talking about giving Madara Zetsu and now Tobi was using Zetsu for his own intentions.
 

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Re: The Man behind the Mask! A theory for a possible Tobi identity

Nice job. At least your theory had some stuff to back it up i guess. Better then half of the others. Not to shabby my friend :D
 

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Re: The Man behind the Mask! A theory for a possible Tobi identity

Good theory, you proved almost everything, and one question you didn't prove is how did Tobi and Madara meet? that should be a crazy story!anyway I really think your theory should be the right one, let's see what happens on manga!
 

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Re: The Man behind the Mask! A theory for a possible Tobi identity

i think its the elder son
notice tobi's words

he said nagato was the third so6p

1. so6p
2.elder son-tobi
3.nagato
 

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Re: The Man behind the Mask! A theory for a possible Tobi identity

Great theory. It also explains why Tobi told the kages he's only a shell of his old self. Using the zetsu body would in fact make his extremely weak. Also, when Madara was talking about Tobi, he made it sound like he wasn't talking about a zetsu version of himself but a completely different person. I hope you know what I mean, my wording is kinda weird...
 

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Re: The Man behind the Mask! A theory for a possible Tobi identity

why say he was madara tho? why not tell people he was the elder son of the so6p? the elder son is more of a legend than madara is. saying he's madara if he's actually the first son would be like an insult to him, the elder son would consider madara beneath him and week compared to himself or his brother or father. if he was the first son i don't think he would tell people he was madara. plus the elder son inherited the sages eyes so why is he using sharingan at all when he would have been born or created with the rinnengan? some holes in your theory
 

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Re: The Man behind the Mask! A theory for a possible Tobi identity

Dude this is actually an extremely interesting theory. Since we know that Tobi and Madara had originally planned to work together, I always wondered if when Madara says you gave me some of your power if he was talking about giving Madara Zetsu and now Tobi was using Zetsu for his own intentions.
Nice job. At least your theory had some stuff to back it up i guess. Better then half of the others. Not to shabby my friend :D
Good theory, you proved almost everything, and one question you didn't prove is how did Tobi and Madara meet? that should be a crazy story!anyway I really think your theory should be the right one, let's see what happens on manga!
i think its the elder son
notice tobi's words

he said nagato was the third so6p

1. so6p
2.elder son-tobi
3.nagato
Oh sht nice man
Great theory. It also explains why Tobi told the kages he's only a shell of his old self. Using the zetsu body would in fact make his extremely weak. Also, when Madara was talking about Tobi, he made it sound like he wasn't talking about a zetsu version of himself but a completely different person. I hope you know what I mean, my wording is kinda weird...
Nice theory even better than mine!!!:)
this is the best theory i have seen so far
why say he was madara tho? why not tell people he was the elder son of the so6p? the elder son is more of a legend than madara is. saying he's madara if he's actually the first son would be like an insult to him, the elder son would consider madara beneath him and week compared to himself or his brother or father. if he was the first son i don't think he would tell people he was madara. plus the elder son inherited the sages eyes so why is he using sharingan at all when he would have been born or created with the rinnengan? some holes in your theory
best theory ive read yet. it most likely is the older son of the so6p
Thanks guys..As to why Tobi uses madara's name instead of the elder son it's because the sage is only a myth. No one knows if he truly existed. Madara is one of the founding fathers of Konoha so it's much easier for Tobi to convince them that he is Madara than the elder son of the sage which is only a myth.
 

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Re: The Man behind the Mask! A theory for a possible Tobi identity

personally i don't buy it i don't think the first son of the sage would claim to be anyone else he would have been arrogant and self assured even if people now thought he was a myth. imo i say its not the first son of the sage but thats just me and as much as we guess only kishi knows who tobi really is so until he removes the mask...
 

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Re: The Man behind the Mask! A theory for a possible Tobi identity

I didnt read all that, but if its the elder son what happen to his doujutsu he didnt have the sharingan
 

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The Man behind the mask

There have been plenty of theories about the true identity of Tobi. From Tobi=Obito to Tobi=remains of the ten tails. I believed that none of these theories are possible enough to uncover the secret of the man behind the mask..

I’ll start this by eliminating the other theories. Tobi can’t be Obito, Shisui, or Kagami Uchiha and heres why:

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The scan above shows that Kurama knows Tobi. How? Tobi had his mask the whole time. The only reason for this is the chakra. Kurama might have known this person or even met him. The scan above eliminates the other theories because we all know that Kurama was sealed within Mito then Kushina. From this point of time, Kurama doesn't know about Obito, Shisui, or Kagami Uchiha.

Is Tobi Izuna? No!

Here’s why:

We can see here that the price to control Kurama is blindness and it was said that only an MS or EMS user can control Kurama.

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Madara gained his EMS by getting Izuna’s eyes

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It was said that Izuna died in a battle, fighting to the death even in his blind state and not only that, it is impossible for him to be Tobi because after them, the next one to awaken MS are Itachi, Shisui, and Kakashi and we all know the MS is needed to control Kurama. These guys are still youngsters during the time when Tobi controlled Kurama and as I said, Kurama knows who Tobi is without seeing his face.

Confirmed by Madara that Izuna died

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Is Tobi Madara? No!

Madara was summoned by the use of Edo Tensei. The technique calls the soul of a departed human back from the afterlife. It means that Madara had died.

You must be registered for see images

The scan above shows how edo tensei works and below shows that Madara really died.

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Who is the man behind the mask?

I believe that Tobi is the elder son of the sage. Only the sage’s son have the DNA of both Uchiha and Senju to do Izanagi

You must be registered for see images

It could not be the younger son because Tobi’s ideal to achieve peace is through war.

You must be registered for see images

The same ideal for the elder son of the sage

You must be registered for see images

Have you even wondered why Tobi knows so much about the sage’s sons history and how the curse of Uchiha’s hatred begun? Even the Kage’s doesn’t know about that. Of all people, Tobi knows the history of the sage and until now we haven’t seen him using MS. The scan below shows Tobi explaining that MS can decode more than the sharingan and the rinnegan can do more.

You must be registered for see images

Tobi gave his eyes to Nagato as seen here:

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Question: How did Tobi obtained the Rinnegan?

Madara awakened the Rinnegan shortly before his death.

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Tobi is not Madara because Madara was summoned through Edo Tensei. Again, how did Tobi get the rinnegan when he is not Madara?

Only the elder son posseses the sage’s eyes (both sharingan and rinnegan)

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It explains why Kurama knows him without seeing his face. Tobi’s ideal and the sage’s elder son are the same. They both believe that might is the key to peace.

If Tobi is the elder son of the sage why is he alive until now?

Izanagi was once used to create life

You must be registered for see images

If the sage was able to create the tailed beast with the use of Izanagi, Tobi can also do that because he has the DNA of both Uchiha and Senju.

You must be registered for see images

What I’m referring to?

It leads me to believe that he created the original Zetsu with the use of Izanagi and then uses Hashirama’s cell to create more. He uses it to preserve his body. We all know that our body will age so it is not possible for him to live this long. Tobi is not immortal because if he is then he will not be using zetsu’s body

You must be registered for see images

Please take a look at his arm. It definitely not an arm of a human being. No bones but just some kind of substance that melted. Another thing is, Zetsu is a mystery. We don’t know where he came from, or if he has relatives. Like Tobi, he’s a complete mystery. He’s the only one that knows the complete plan of Tobi or even Tobi’s identities.

Conclusion: Tobi is the elder son of the sage that uses a zetsu body to live long.
 
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