To Itachi and Nagato fans...

[Ryuu..]

Quality over quantity determines the superior user. Tobi with Gedou Mazo would defeat Nagato (who was skewered when using Gedou Mazo) and Madara with his meteors would defeat Nagato either way. Nagato's variety is a result of having twenty times the panel time, not superior skill.

Nope, quantity over quality. How do you know Tobi and Madara are able to use the other Rinnegan abilities? If they can't use them then they haven't mastered the Rinnegan. If we haven't seen or heard it in the manga then you cannot suggest they have it (it's just assumption); therefore logically we can suggest the two of them have not mastered the Rinnegan to the degree Nagato has.

 

[Blaze Release]

Ive always avoided such a topic for this very reason. Fact nobody truly knows itachi full potential. Now i believe kishi weakened him the same way he weakened nagato when both were alive with their disabilities because they were too op. Now we have seen what a healthy nagato can really do therefore ive little doubt in my mind that we are about to see what a healthy itachi can do, BUT even if we do see what a healthy itachi can do nagato will still be stronger than him, but this will improve itachi's chances of winning if it comes to a 1 vs 1 situation and yes he does have a chance of winning.

Fact is ninjutsu and taijutsu against nagato isnt properly working and that in instead inst true. If you can catch nagato's of guard and use amaterasu, it will cause him significant harm before he can either absorb it or shinra tensei it. As we saw when amaterasu got him, he was regenerating, if it wasnt for edo thats nagato greatly damaged. Now alot of people would say nagato can sense amaterasu therefore he would be on guard, thats true but amaterasu being of the fastest attacks, nagato would have to have a pretty fast reflex to iether absorb it straight away or shinra tensei it the moment it hits.

Anyway itachi's main fighting style being genjutsu would cause him problems because ninjutsu and taijutsu arent effective and that in itself is a myth as ive explained eariler. Anyway genjutsu obviously cannot be countered and nobody is immune to it. We saw that jiraiya has used taijutsu and ninjutsu and they were ineffective but only when he used genjutsu was he able to kill 3 peins and if that was nagato, thats him dead and he even acknowledged this after the fight. That is what itachi has over nagato, his fighting style is different from other ninja's.

Youve also got the legendary weapons, which obviously cannot be absorbed, with that itachi can attack with the totsuka sword. People seem to forget that even though nagato was healthy due to him not being able to use his legs for some time is still very immobile/stationary and doesnt have great speed.

Nagato will always be stronger but ive little doubt in my mind that itachi who already has him chances of winning, will increase once we see his full potential.

EDIT; I also believe itachi has the Yasakani no Magatama legendary weapon

 

[Kira was Righteous]

Oh and btw Nagato is beyond Itachi and always will be you can post your crap all day and you can if you want but it will never change the truth

Nagato called the sage of 6 paths by two people and called a god by his people
Destroyed konoha with a dead body and defeated Naruto and Bee in Edo Zombie Mode controlled by a noob by the name of kabuto

Itachi

 

[Ryuu..]

Ive always avoided such a topic for this very reason. Fact nobody truly knows itachi full potential. Now i believe kishi weakened him the same way he weakened nagato when both were alive with their disabilities because they were too op. Now we have seen what a healthy nagato can really do therefore ive little doubt in my mind that we are about to see what a healthy itachi can do, BUT even if we do see what a healthy itachi can do nagato will still be stronger than him, but this will improve itachi's chances of winning if it comes to a 1 vs 1 situation and yes he does have a chance of winning.

Fact is ninjutsu and taijutsu against nagato isnt properly working and that in instead inst true. If you can catch nagato's of guard and use amaterasu, it will cause him significant harm before he can either absorb it or shinra tensei it. As we saw when amaterasu got him, he was regenerating, if it wasnt for edo thats nagato greatly damaged. Now alot of people would say nagato can sense amaterasu therefore he would be on guard, thats true but amaterasu being of the fastest attacks, nagato would have to have a pretty fast reflex to iether absorb it straight away or shinra tensei it the moment it hits.

Anyway itachi's main fighting style being genjutsu would cause him problems because ninjutsu and taijutsu arent effective and that in itself is a myth as ive explained eariler. Anyway genjutsu obviously cannot be countered and nobody is immune to it. We saw that jiraiya has used taijutsu and ninjutsu and they were ineffective but only when he used genjutsu was he able to kill 3 peins and if that was nagato, thats him dead and he even acknowledged this after the fight. That is what itachi has over nagato, his fighting style is different from other ninja's.

Youve also got the legendary weapons, which obviously cannot be absorbed, with that itachi can attack with the totsuka sword. People seem to forget that even though nagato was healthy due to him not being able to use his legs for some time is still very immobile/stationary and doesnt have great speed.

Nagato will always be stronger but ive little doubt in my mind that itachi who already has him chances of winning, will increase once we see his full potential

Two things:

- Do you think Itachi can defend against Gedo Mazo's dragon?
- Remember that Nagato was edo, and being edo makes shinobis more careless because they know they can regenerate. I don't think Nagato would've been careless enough to be so easily hit by Amaterasu if he wasn't an edo

 

[Blaze Release]

Two things:

- Do you think Itachi can defend against Gedo Mazo's dragon?
- Remember that Nagato was edo, and being edo makes shinobis more careless because they know they can regenerate. I don't think Nagato would've been careless enough to be so easily hit by Amaterasu if he wasn't an edo

Point 1 - In susano yes

Point 2- I agree he wasnt in control but that doesnt take my point still stands. Even if nagato is healthy he hasnt used his legs for time and with that his speed is poor. At the highlighted part, nagato has been crippled for half his life and with that hasnt been in life and death fight, fighting as nagato. He hasnt experienced a real fight in ages. The last time we saw nagato fight was against hanzo and he got his legs blown up. Itachi being the superior of the two in skill and intelligence, but also experience can/will outmanoeuvre him. With the paths nagato has been able to take crazy risks, that he cannot afford to take when fighting as nagato because he can be beaten. Some of the risks he has taken is in the fight against jiraiya for example. He realised he was in a genjutsu and didnt dispell it until it was too late, the paths were killed of. Similarly he broke through jiraiya's barrier and with that animal path got greatly damaged and captured.

 

[Ryuu..]

Point 1 - In susano yes

Point 2- I agree he wasnt in control but that doesnt take my point still stands. Even if nagato is healthy he hasnt used his legs for time and with that his speed is poor. At the highlighted part, nagato has been crippled for half his life and with that hasnt been in life and death fight, fighting as nagato. He hasnt experienced a real fight in ages. The last time we saw nagato fight was against hanzo and he got his legs blown up. Itachi being the superior of the two in skill and intelligence, but also experience can/will outmanoeuvre him. With the paths nagato has been able to take crazy risks, that he cannot afford to take when fighting as nagato because he can be beaten. Some of the risks he has taken is in the fight against jiraiya for example. He realised he was in a genjutsu and didnt dispell it until it was too late, the paths were killed of. Similarly he broke through jiraiya's barrier and with that animal path got greatly damaged and captured.

Ok just before I make any points, do you believe Itachi would be victorious?

 

[Blaze Release]

Ok just before I make any points, do you believe Itachi would be victorious?

Belief he has his chances, obviously nagato is the superior out of the two in raw power alone and with this is the favourite. Do i believe itachi will be victorious?, currently no even though he has his chances. Once i see what he really has to offer might i change my mind

 

[Tosen]

Actually, Nagato is the most incomplete Rinnegan user of the three. Madara was the only individual aside from the original sage to truly awaken the Rinnegan by uniting his power with Hashirama, and Tobi is likely the result of Madara raising himself from the dead through some jutsu (as mentioned last chapter.) Nagato seems to have merely inherited Madara's eye powers as a proxy, which is why Tobi told Konan that he was merely taking his eyes back from Nagato.

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Nagato Uzumaki is the best rinnegan user since the sage and that is a fact, Nagato has the most feats with it to.

 

[OcularProwess]

Yes but did Nagato ever use Gedo Mazo against Itachi? I can assure you that if Gedo Mazo was used, along with this technique:

Spoiler

Then this thread would not be in existence.

is this a episode

 

[Ryuu..]

Belief he has his chances, obviously nagato is the superior out of the two in raw power alone and with this is the favourite. Do i believe itachi will be victorious?, currently no even though he has his chances. Once i see what he really has to offer might i change my mind

Ok, fair enough I think we'd all like to see Itachi's full potential. However, at the moment i'd only give him a 5-10% chance of victory, because although I think Itachi is very close to Nagato's level, I just think Nagato is the worst matchup for him.

Susanoo is the deciding factor in the match for me although:

- I believe it would be rendered useless by CT. Sure it wouldn't be destroyed by the rocks, however, it would be pulled up; how can he counter that? Once in the air, Itachi can be targeted from beneath Susanoo which is where Nagato can attack via Asura path, ninjutsu or Gedo Mazo dragon.
- It drains Itachi's chakra incredibly. Moreover, if we say Nagato's chakra reserves are deserving of a 9/10, it would put Itachi on around a 4 or 5/10 IMO. This leads me to the important point being which Nagato can simply outlast Itachi. It is very likely that at any point Itachi could dominate the match with his superior movement although this leads me to question how long he could keep it up if he's constantly having to attack and defend.

 

[Blaze Release]

Ok, fair enough I think we'd all like to see Itachi's full potential. However, at the moment i'd only give him a 5-10% chance of victory, because although I think Itachi is very close to Nagato's level, I just think Nagato is the worst matchup for him.

Susanoo is the deciding factor in the match for me although:

- I believe it would be rendered useless by CT. It would be pulled up; how can he counter that? Once in the air, Itachi can be targeted from beneath Susanoo which is where Nagato can attack via Asura path, ninjutsu or Gedo Mazo.
- It drains Itachi's chakra incredibly. Moreover, if we say Nagato's chakra reserves are deserving of a 9/10, it would put Itachi on around a 4 or 5/10 IMO. This leads me to the important point being which Nagato can simply outlast Itachi. It is very likely that at any point Itachi could dominate the match with his superior movement although this leads me to question how long he could keep it up.

I agree so far itachi hasnt shown us a technique that can break a forming ct, what we do know is that he figured out its weakness pretty quickly. Whether itachi does have an attack to destroy a forming ct, nobody knows. A lot of people say he had help with bee and naruto and thats true, but thats because they were there therefore he used them. After the fight did he tell naruto that he should acknowledge his team mates and not do everything on his own and thats exactly what itachi did before he said those words to naruto, he acknowledged bee and naruto and with them destroyed ct together.

Full bodied susano doesnt have any holes in its ribcage. What am i saying, a full bodied susano doesnt have a ribcage nor does it have the weakness of an incomplete susano, this is in relation to the myth concerning susano having a weakness underneath.

I do agree that even if itachi is healthy which i believe that is the itachi we are seeing, his chakra would increase but will still never be able to match nagato is chakra levels and with that would have to finish the match as quick as possible and thats his fighting style to begin with. He doesnt like prolonging fights therefore nothing changes

 

[Ryuu..]

I agree so far itachi hasnt shown us a technique that can break a forming ct, what we do know is that he figured out its weakness pretty quickly. Whether itachi does have an attack to destroy a forming ct, nobody knows. A lot of people say he had help with bee and naruto and thats true, but thats because they were there therefore he used them. After the fight did he tell naruto that he should acknowledge his team mates and not do everything on his own and thats exactly what itachi did before he said those words to naruto, he acknowledged bee and naruto and with them destroyed ct together.

Full bodied susano doesnt have any holes in its ribcage. What am i saying, a full bodied susano doesnt have a ribcage nor does it have the weakness of an incomplete susano, this is in relation to the myth concerning susano having a weakness underneath.

I do agree that even if itachi is healthy which i believe that is the itachi we are seeing, his chakra would increase but will still never be able to match nagato is chakra levels and with that would have to finish the match as quick as possible and thats his fighting style to begin with. He doesnt like prolonging fights therefore nothing changes

It's all true, although we can't say for sure that a full Susanoo doesn't have a weak spot underneath. I just would like to see Itachi go flat out now so we can see how powerful he truly is.

 

[Itachi65]

Nagato has the Rinnegan, but wasn't so skilled. For God's sake people saying that Nagato would win Itachi. Itachi can Tsukuyomi him. Amaterasu wouldn't work, cause of absorbtion... But Susano'o's Totsuka no Tsurugi would suck Nagato, his effing Gedo Mazo and all you blind Nagato lovers. Nagato is one of my favorite chars, but honestly... Truth must be told.

Itachi against Chibaku Tensei. He has the Yasaka ni Magatama (which he used) and the sword to pierce the core. Itachi is the most intelligent character, he would find a way to deal with it. And truth be told, he did. Now, in case you say he managed with Naruto and Bee's help, I can say that he may find out a different plan on solo fighting.

Don't compare again.

 

[khaydz5]

Nagato has the Rinnegan, but wasn't so skilled. For God's sake people saying that Nagato would win Itachi. Itachi can Tsukuyomi him. Amaterasu wouldn't work, cause of absorbtion... But Susano'o's Totsuka no Tsurugi would suck Nagato, his effing Gedo Mazo and all you blind Nagato lovers. Nagato is one of my favorite chars, but honestly... Truth must be told.

Itachi against Chibaku Tensei. He has the Yasaka ni Magatama (which he used) and the sword to pierce the core. Itachi is the most intelligent character, he would find a way to deal with it. And truth be told, he did. Now, in case you say he managed with Naruto and Bee's help, I can say that he may find out a different plan on solo fighting.

Don't compare again.

lol say what? itachi using sword of totsuka to pierce the core of CT? haha!seriously, I lol'd. that would be a funny sight to see, itachi jumping with susanoo to its doom.

and as mentioned countless times, itachi alone cannot destroy CT, he doesnt have the combined power of bijuu bomb and rasenshuriken.

yata mirror and sword of totsuka may not get absorbed, but nagato has several ways to counter it, he can use shinra tensei to deflect the sword or bansho tenin to grab it away from susanoo, or simply bansho tenin itachi's ass out of susanoo.

and if ever nagato receive any damage from itachi's attack I do believe he can cure himself via Naraka Path.

who ever says summons would be useless because itachi can control them is the worst fanboy ever. no, sharingan was never shown to control multiple summons and this summons aren't tailed beast and has chakra rods in it which means nagato can transmit chakra to them so no one can prove it is susceptible to genjutsu. I even believe itachi will be force to use susanoo just by battling with animal path like what jiraiya did. one would argue that itachi used amaterasu to the dog and bird summon, but let me just remind you that nagato can use almost like 8 kinds of summons, now with itachi not being edo I bet his chakra would suffer if he tries to amaterasu this summons.. yeah and unlike jiraiya itachi won't have any other way to defeat this big guys but to use MS techniques which takes alot of toll.

 

[Darksharinnegan]

assuming itachi doesnt gen jutsu right from the start and win like he always does.

susanoo is an instant technique that can seal

itachi already beat nagato

as its been stated itachi doesnt fight like everyone else

 

[Cpt Long Schlong]

Nagato has the Rinnegan, but wasn't so skilled. For God's sake people saying that Nagato would win Itachi. Itachi can Tsukuyomi him. Amaterasu wouldn't work, cause of absorbtion... But Susano'o's Totsuka no Tsurugi would suck Nagato, his effing Gedo Mazo and all you blind Nagato lovers. Nagato is one of my favorite chars, but honestly... Truth must be told.

Itachi against Chibaku Tensei. He has the Yasaka ni Magatama (which he used) and the sword to pierce the core. Itachi is the most intelligent character, he would find a way to deal with it. And truth be told, he did. Now, in case you say he managed with Naruto and Bee's help, I can say that he may find out a different plan on solo fighting.

Don't compare again.

"Wasn't so skilled"
"Itachi can Tsukuyomi him"
:sy:

 

[Totsuka No Tsurugi]

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Nagato Uzumaki is the best rinnegan user since the sage and that is a fact, Nagato has the most feats with it to.

but madara meteor can stomp CT:shrug:

well if we go by feat nagato have the edge over madara

 

[Retsu]

I agree so far itachi hasnt shown us a technique that can break a forming ct, what we do know is that he figured out its weakness pretty quickly. Whether itachi does have an attack to destroy a forming ct, nobody knows.

He said he'd used his most powerful long range attack, i think this beyond all doubt shows that he has nothing in his arsenal to stop chibaku tensei solo