[Spoilers] Spoiler? Theory Shinigami/Quincy and Hollow/Quincy

[Mangomango]

Ok i have always read Bleach but never really paid attention to it, it was and has always been a secondary manga for ME compared to One Piece and Naruto and with the new Fullbringing arc i nearly wiped it off my reading schedule completely. But this new Arc has taken my interest and i haven't found any posts about the Quincy being able to use Bankai. We saw Ivan with what looked like Quincy/Hollow powers but now we see these other kind of Quincy that can unleash Bankai.

So i came up with a little theory, as i said above i'm not great with Bleach and i don't really know as much as most of you so be gentle. ^.^

When the Quincy who returned from soul society entered the palace and Ivan was there, it seemed they had some tension and the (what i believe) Quincy/Shinigami hybrid said "How admirable of you to bow before me" to Ivan, Ivan replied "Why would i bow before someone like you?". This led me to think about some kind of racial divide, then beasty Quincy (in the chair) look off the Quincy/shinigami's arm and said he didn't like fighting and they carried on.

What if, while the previous story arc was happening (Aizen arcs) another war was going on. Quincy/Hollow vs Quincy/Shinigami and then beasty Quincy (Who is possibly a pure Quincy like Ishida) came and united them to get revenge or "peace" by destroying soul society.

Just a theory and i'm sure it can be expanded on or completely shut down by people who know the Bleach history better, but is it really that far-fetched?

 

[Totsuka No Tsurugi]

the question is how the hell they hide their present from aizen rampage in hueco mundo ?
you said there was a war right ?
so that's mean there must be a riot, whether its in SS, real world or hueco mundo,
i mean the gotei 13 completely prepare for the final battle and keep watching the situation in real world, so if there is something weird going on the shinigami will notice that, so the war theory is unlikely will happen,

but that hollow/quincy and quincy/shinigami breed sounds plausible

 

[Mangomango]

the question is how the hell they hide their present from aizen rampage in hueco mundo ?
you said there was a war right ?
so that's mean there must be a riot, whether its in SS, real world or hueco mundo,
i mean the gotei 13 completely prepare for the final battle and keep watching the situation in real world, so if there is something weird going on the shinigami will notice that, so the war theory is unlikely will happen,

but that hollow/quincy and quincy/shinigami breed sounds plausible

As far as i know (which isn't alot haha) we don't know where the new Quincy fraction is, or has it been stated that it is in either Hueco Mundo, real world or Soul society? I'm not sure but the place where the palace is either looks like Hueco Mundo (which i doubt because as you said, Aizen took over it) or in another dimension ( i guess you would call them dimensions right?)

 

[Bloodedge]

Well this is a theory I came up with a friend. You have the normal world soul society and between them there is the precipe world. What if they had found a way to hide there and were feeding of lost souls, maybe when they feed alot they become hollowlike that would explain Ivan a bit + that the quincy were said to be extinct and how they are pretty powerful for normal quincy. But I don't know how to explain the shadow that teleports them thought...

 

[Mangomango]

Well this is a theory I came up with a friend. You have the normal world soul society and between them there is the precipe world. What if they had found a way to hide there and were feeding of lost souls, maybe when they feed alot they become hollowlike that would explain Ivan a bit + that the quincy were said to be extinct and how they are pretty powerful for normal quincy. But I don't know how to explain the shadow that teleports them thought...

Well if they are in an area that isn't monitored by the shinigami then they could have been in conflict for a while and it wouldn't of effected the previous arcs, thats going by your theory ofcourse. Also Hueco Mundo wasn't monitored by the Shinigami.

 

[Totsuka No Tsurugi]

As far as i know (which isn't alot haha) we don't know where the new Quincy fraction is, or has it been stated that it is in either Hueco Mundo, real world or Soul society? I'm not sure but the place where the palace is either looks like Hueco Mundo (which i doubt because as you said, Aizen took over it) or in another dimension ( i guess you would call them dimensions right?)

well the quincy fraction base in the real world since they were originally a human with special power,

i doubt they have their own dimension since quincy is not actually a spirit they were human being and visible to others unlike hollow and shinigami,

but if that quincy/hollow or quincy/shinigami breed turn out to be true, then the only place left for them to stay is heuco mundo since aizen is no longer there.

Well this is a theory I came up with a friend. You have the normal world soul society and between them there is the precipe world. What if they had found a way to hide there and were feeding of lost souls, maybe when they feed alot they become hollowlike that would explain Ivan a bit + that the quincy were said to be extinct and how they are pretty powerful for normal quincy. But I don't know how to explain the shadow that teleports them thought...

well in the precipe world time goes faster than the other dimension as we see from ichigo when he train inside it, and since they were most likely quincy, then that's mean they were human and their lifespan is limited.

 

[Bloodedge]

well the quincy fraction base in the real world since they were originally a human with special power,

i doubt they have their own dimension since quincy is not actually a spirit they were human being and visible to others unlike hollow and shinigami,

but if that quincy/hollow or quincy/shinigami breed turn out to be true, then the only place left for them to stay is heuco mundo since aizen is no longer there.




well in the precipe world time goes faster than the other dimension as we see from ichigo when he train inside it, and since they were most likely quincy, then that's mean they were human and their lifespan is limited.

Ow damn that is actually true xD excuse my flaws, but if there was someplace that couldn't be monitored but where they could kill off hollows maybe even using their souls somehow, it could be they gained powers from that.

 

[Totsuka No Tsurugi]

Ow damn that is actually true xD excuse my flaws, but if there was someplace that couldn't be monitored but where they could kill off hollows maybe even using their souls somehow, it could be they gained powers from that.

well they can stay deep in hueco mundo since the shinigami don't go into the detail,

mayuri only come there to catch some hollow and gone and most likely the shinigami don't really proceed into the deep part of hueco mundo, that's where these new guys can stay,

but then again ivan say its not garganta that they used to teleport, or maybe its some kind of new method that they invented to invade SS without getting through the senkaimon ?

 

[Bloodedge]

well they can stay deep in hueco mundo since the shinigami don't go into the detail,

mayuri only come there to catch some hollow and gone and most likely the shinigami don't really proceed into the deep part of hueco mundo, that's where these new guys can stay,

but then again ivan say its not garganta that they used to teleport, or maybe its some kind of new method that they invented to invade SS without getting through the senkaimon ?

Maybe, but in the manga I saw a shadow helping them and he said that the shadow only protects the chosen ones or something, maybe they were secretly trained by someone in hueco mundo ( because you said they could reside deep in hueco mundo) plus some of the espada aren't dead sooo you never know.

 

[Totsuka No Tsurugi]

Maybe, but in the manga I saw a shadow helping them and he said that the shadow only protects the chosen ones or something, maybe they were secretly trained by someone in hueco mundo ( because you said they could reside deep in hueco mundo) plus some of the espada aren't dead sooo you never know.

all the espada is dead,
only neliel left

 

[Bloodedge]

all the espada is dead,
only neliel left

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check the list of the deceased/living espada

 

[Totsuka No Tsurugi]

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kubo stated in his recent interview that grimmjow is dead, search it in this section just go back to 3 or 4 page there is a thread that discuss about that,

idk about halibel but she's supposed to be dead, idk where the wiki know that she's still alive,

 

[Bloodedge]

kubo stated in his recent interview that grimmjow is dead, search it in this section just go back to 3 or 4 page there is a thread that discuss about that,

idk about halibel but she's supposed to be dead, idk where the wiki know that she's still alive,

And there I was hoping he was alive anyway do you know anything to explain why Ivan looked soo much like he was an espada or something in that direction?

 

[mlickko]

kubo stated in his recent interview that grimmjow is dead, search it in this section just go back to 3 or 4 page there is a thread that discuss about that,

idk about halibel but she's supposed to be dead, idk where the wiki know that she's still alive,

Not true, Kubo stated that he considers the option of Grimmjow to come back to story and the chances are quite high, that means he isn't dead...as for Nel, yes, she should be alive as well, i think he mentiones Halibel and her fraction to be healed but they are staying at Hueco Mundo.:scorps:

 

[NLee]

They aren't in Hueco Mundo. It was claimed by Kubo that this "palace of ice" is somewhere underground and closer than everyone would have expected. My guess is they're still in the real world except it's probably concealed by some sort of barrier that restricts entry

 

[sakhee]

Maybe before you can steal bankai, you must have stolen hollow powers? Hence the mask.

 

[byakuya12]

Maybe before you can steal bankai, you must have stolen hollow powers? Hence the mask.

i dont know if its just me but doesnt that guy we see at the end, the kind of boss guy look like zangetsu, and when ivan says how come your bonkai dosnt vanish could it meen ichigo no longer has zangetsu with him and is expecting his powers to vanish

 

[|KirA|]

here my theory that i made up while i am writing:

there were 2 surviving quincies. ishidas father and the beasty one.
ishidas father found a human to mate and made ishida. he was satisfied.

beasty one didnt want a human to mate and was very very mad at soul society for killing his fellow quincies. so he visited from time to time hueco mundo and soul society to rape some hollows and shinigamis and dogs and rabbits and thats why.... *take a deep breath*... there are so many new quincy-races and it almost took 20 years (to grow up)(well or longer who knows) to declare war on soul society and/or discover them.

 

[NLee]

here my theory that i made up while i am writing:

there were 2 surviving quincies. ishidas father and the beasty one.
ishidas father found a human to mate and made ishida. he was satisfied.

beasty one didnt want a human to mate and was very very mad at soul society for killing his fellow quincies. so he visited from time to time hueco mundo and soul society to rape some hollows and shinigamis and dogs and rabbits and thats why.... *take a deep breath*... there are so many new quincy-races and it almost took 20 years (to grow up)(well or longer who knows) to declare war on soul society and/or discover them.

There were more surviving Quincies than just Ishida's father and the "King". Ishida's grandfather was also a survivor, which opens the possibilities of other lineages of Quincy. In fact, Ishida's father wasn't even a direct survivor of the Shinigami-Quincy war. Ishida's grandfather was the survivor who passed down his knowledge to Ryuken. Quincy are humans which mean they are still governed by human age. Ryuken is simply too young to be a direct survivor of the war. Same thing goes to this "King"

Unless I'm misunderstanding you, I doubt that this "King" repopulated his entire army

In my opinion, it makes far more sense that there were simply more survivors than Ishida's grandfather who had children and passed on their Quincy knowledge to them. Over generations and generations they reestablished their numbers. Then of course something unknown happened which gave rise to these Quincy/Shinigami and Quincy/Hollow Hybrids

 

[|KirA|]

There were more surviving Quincies than just Ishida's father and the "King". Ishida's grandfather was also a survivor, which opens the possibilities of other lineages of Quincy. In fact, Ishida's father wasn't even a direct survivor of the Shinigami-Quincy war. Ishida's grandfather was the survivor who passed down his knowledge to Ryuken. Quincy are humans which mean they are still governed by human age. Ryuken is simply too young to be a direct survivor of the war. Same thing goes to this "King"

Unless I'm misunderstanding you, I doubt that this "King" repopulated his entire army

In my opinion, it makes far more sense that there were simply more survivors than Ishida's grandfather who had children and passed on their Quincy knowledge to them. Over generations and generations they reestablished their numbers. Then of course something unknown happened which gave rise to these Quincy/Shinigami and Quincy/Hollow Hybrids

man. i was just joking. how stupid would it be when my version with this guy raping hollows would be truth. doh :sy: xd