Jiraya sage>>>>>>naruto sage

[NarutoDude]

It is so obvious how jiraya is much better in sage mode. Naruto gets only better rasengan versions. While jiraya also gets them (exept rss) but alot of great fire and watter techs

You can flame me for this but. I say jiraya can beat pain when he has full intel about him just like naruto got

Its also so obvious that pain>>>naruto sage. I explain why
1: naruto had full intel about his powers, pain didnt have intell about naruto
2:he wasnt trying to kill him, he whas trying to capture him
3:than with all those extra's naruto still got caught, and without kyuubi he would have gone dead
4:naruto had already set up a plan and could re-enter sagemode 3 times

What do you guys think?

 

[itachiamaterasu]

it's been already stated that naruto has surpassed jiraya in sage mode.. goof

 

[alipjana]

no actually narutos sage mode is perfect whereas jiraiyas is not....

 

[ronus]

Haha.. Jiraiya sage > Naruto's mode
thats the funniest thing I have ever heard. Don't you understand the phrase" Naruto's Sage mode is complete while Jiraiya still retained some toad characters"
You should have said" Naruto in sage mode vs Jiraiya: Jiraiya would win(as he knew more techniques)"
That would have been somewhat believable but Naruto has clearly surpassed jiraiya in Sage mode. Please read manga or view episode clearly( or you could make your own version on Fanfic)

 

[riku seeker of darkness]

naruto sage mode is better than pervy sage in sage mode

 

[Itachi2020]

It is already stated by Ma and Pa that Naruto surpassed Jiraiya in sage mode.

 

[home]

narutos>jmans

 

[Nerei]

Well obviously Jiraiya is better. He's trained in Sage Mode longer than Naruto has, he has more elemental affinity's than Naruto, He's older and has fought many different ninja so he has more experience in strategy and battle tactics. He even has Ma and Pa on his shoulders to help him keep sage Mode up, which, in turn, adds more jutsu's to his arsenal including a very powerful genjutsu.

But in Sage Mode Mastery Naruto beats Jiraiya

 

[NarutoDude]

First of all, i meen if they battle, not who has a goofy nose with warts and who dont -.-
Second you didnt response to the thing about pain

 

[SKTupac]

Look there is a big different between Jiraiya and Naruto.
Jiraiya has more experience and has more ninjutsu.
But it is stated that naruto has a better sage mode. So no and he's most likely stronger. In the pain saga

 

[Exaar]

Naruto May have Perfected Sm and May have Surpassed him in mastery of it.

But Jman Uses Sage mode Better, Far more experienced, Uses summoning Much better, much more versatile than Naruto, Combines Jutsu's with his Toad summons (something that naruto really needs to Learn).

If you put Sm naruto is Jmans spot when he was Fighting Pain, naruto would of died much quicker than Jman did.

Surpassing someone and Mastering Jutsu they couldn't doesn't mean you can Beat them in Combat.

 

[Martano]

Naruto's is better than Jiraiya. Read the manga properly.

The toads power is very useful, so maybe Jiraiya could sustain it for longer than Naruto. But Naruto can also have the 'frogs' (LOL) assist him in battle, just not joined together.

 

[Baka Sennin]

No, Jiraiya is simply a much much better base ninja, therefore in sage mode he gets a big boost to his overall abilities.

Now, Naruto's sage mode is incredibly stronger than Jiraiya's, he can enter it much faster, hold it for longer now that kyuubi isn't an obstruction to ma and pa sage, he can enter it with clones, he can use sage clones, he's much better.

 

[Totsuka No Tsurugi]

here some tip for you sonny

j-man can't go into sage mode alone, he need fukusaku and shima to help him, while naruto can do that alone

 

[Zatanna]

^^ this.
Assuming Jman and Naruto fight only in sage mode Id say Jiraiya would win, but in terms of mastery Naruto wins.

It was stated that narutos mastery of the sage chakra and sage mode is mastered perfectly, better than Jiraiya.

 

[Devilish Chakra]

Naruto May have Perfected Sm and May have Surpassed him in mastery of it.

But Jman Uses Sage mode Better, Far more experienced, Uses summoning Much better, much more versatile than Naruto, Combines Jutsu's with his Toad summons (something that naruto really needs to Learn).

If you put Sm naruto is Jmans spot when he was Fighting Pain, naruto would of died much quicker than Jman did.

Surpassing someone and Mastering Jutsu they couldn't doesn't mean you can Beat them in Combat.

Didn't Jiraiya teach him a technique he can do with his summons after he learned he couldn't use the RSS?

 

[Exaar]

Didn't Jiraiya teach him a technique he can do with his summons after he learned he couldn't use the RSS?

That was an Filler in the Anime. I dont think that was ever apart of the Manga.

 

[Gutsy]

Naruto "surpassed" jiraiya in Sage Mode.... No it states he perfected Sage Mode. Yet Jiraiya has more experience with sage mode, he still has immense speed and strength, and his abilities within different fields is way above any shinobi's level. Also Jiraiya gets tons of jutsu in Sage Mode, where as Naruto doesn't (hasn't shown anything special in Sage Mode) so if we look at fightning skills in Sage Mode it goes for Jiraiya.

Perfected Sage Mode: Naruto

Better Fighter in Sage Mode: Jiraiya

 

[Baka Sennin]

Naruto "surpassed" jiraiya in Sage Mode.... No it states he perfected Sage Mode. Yet Jiraiya has more experience with sage mode, he still has immense speed and strength, and his abilities within different fields is way above any shinobi's level. Also Jiraiya gets tons of jutsu in Sage Mode, where as Naruto doesn't (hasn't shown anything special in Sage Mode) so if we look at fightning skills in Sage Mode it goes for Jiraiya.

Perfected Sage Mode: Naruto

Better Fighter in Sage Mode: Jiraiya

all jiraiya has over naruto is experience with sm. those abilities you mentioned, those are base abilities. all his jutsu are base jutsu not sm.

plus, jiraiya doesn't have frog taka and threat detection abilities which naruto has.

the accurate title for this thread would be: Base Jiraiya>>>>>Base Naruto. which is true. Jiraiya in sm is simply stronger, faster, and can use his jutsu on a larger scale, but the fact is that if Naruto had Jiraiya's arsenal his Sm jutsu would be stronger than Jiraiaya's in sm.

 

[Exaar]

all jiraiya has over naruto is experience with sm. those abilities you mentioned, those are base abilities. all his jutsu are base jutsu not sm.

plus, jiraiya doesn't have frog taka and threat detection abilities which naruto has.

the accurate title for this thread would be: Base Jiraiya>>>>>Base Naruto. which is true. Jiraiya in sm is simply stronger, faster, and can use his jutsu on a larger scale, but the fact is that if Naruto had Jiraiya's arsenal his Sm jutsu would be stronger than Jiraiaya's in sm.

Well jiraiya cane Match Naruto's detection abilities with this Jutsu.

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It's quite an OP Jutsu Combat wise.