1st Hokage.... Oversold.

[GodaimeRaikage]

Not degrading at all.... I also stated that he might have been weaken but there is no direct lining saying that they aren't at full strength and they were wiped of emotions leading them to be mindless killers...

Again my point being that Madara is the one using these techs in a Edo enhanced all powerful body. Which clearly has to expand his power more then the 1st who again we haven't see fight while he was alive.

Tsunade as a reference is also very basis as you state when talking about how strong he is. She is the granddaughter and would obviously like to project her grandfather in the best light possible especially in front of the other kages. Also that healing with out handseals tech can't be as great as everyone is thinking because it would make him close to unkillabe.

I have no doubt that the 1st is kage level. To conclude that Madara being defeated by the 1st is a reference to him being better is something you can't say. People of lower skill beat people of higher skill all the time in naruto.

Neji vs Naruto: part 1
Every fight during the Sasuke retrieval arc
Sasuke vs diedara
Sasori vs Sakura and Grandma

There is no way you can tell me that Sakura and grandma are more skilled then sasori. Anyway Madara EMS is shown in Edo form in a enhanced body that would have actually lost to naruto clone, Gaara, and Onoki if not for rinnegan.
Madara seems like the fellow who would not take losing kindly.
Also can you show me the link for kabuto saying that I would like to see it.

First off, who the hell are you?You are refering to my post as if you were the person I quoted.Secondly, the power displayed by the Edo Hashirama during his battle with Third Hokage Hiruzen wasn't on the same level as the power Madara is displaying now with Hashirama powers.Furthermore, Hashirama didn't used Wood Release: Advent of a World of Flowering Trees when he Orochimara was controling him.Meaning Orochirama didn't know the jutsu, or didn't have the skill to use it.The same for Tobirama.Tobirama has space time ninjutsu but when Orochirama was controling Edo Tobirama, he never used it.Those things prove that neither Hashirama or Tobirama were fighting at full strength when Orochirama was controling them because if they were, they would have use those jutsus in that battle with the third hokage.

As for Tsunade, what about the manga do you not get.Tsunade only confirm that the jutsus Madara were using was her Grandfather's.As soon as Madara used the Wood Release: Advent of a World of Flowering Trees, she told the other Kage to not breathe, knowing the effects of the jutsus.Tsunade knew that jutsu effects without any indications from madara.Meaning she has to have seen it before.As for the healing without seals tech.Unless you have something to discredit both Madara and Tsunade beside how "
unkillable" hashirama would be, that fact remains.

People of lower skill beat people of higher skill all the time in naruto

Neji lost to naruto because naruto used the power of the nine tails.Using that fight as a reference isn't smart because I can easilycounter with Hashirama may have been slightly less skilled than Madara, but was far more powerful.Neji skills were above naruto's skills, but Naruto's power(the nine tails) was on a level Neji could never reach.

Every fight during the Sasuke retrieval arc didn't have a less skilled shinobi win against a more skill shinobi. The Sasuke Retrieval Arc fight's were base on match up and power versus skills.Tayuya wasn't more skilled or powerful than Temari who defeated her.Sakon and Ukon couldn't match up with Kankuro's puppets..Jirōbō may have been more skilled than Choji, but he couldn't match Choji's power.Kidōmaru fought Neji, who defense was perfect for his style of fighting.

Sasuke vs Deidara is also nonsense.Sasuke won, and according to the last data book Sasuke and Diedara were nearly identical in every skills category.Sasuke had the advantage because his lightning chakra nature is strong against Diedara's earth chakra nature.Which in the end is why Sasuke won.I don't even know who you came up with something as ridiculous as Diedara is more skilled than Sasuke.Deidara only means of attack is the use of Earth Release techs in the form of Clay explosives which are weak against lightning.

Sasori might be more skilled than Sakura and Lady Chiyo, but again, this goes back to match up.Sakura is clearly better than Sasori in medical ninjutsu, which help Sakura make an antidote for Sasori's poison which even he was stunned she could do.Sakura evasive skills also allow her to dodge his puppets attacks, as note by Lady Choji.Combine that with Lady Chiyo's mastery of puppet's, her intel on Sasori being the one who taught him the puppet master jutsu, and Sakura strength which easily allow her to take on The Third Kazekage puppet, I would say sasori skills weren't too far above that of the two kunoichi if at all.Not to mention, in the third data book Lady Chiyo and Sasori are pretty much equal in ninjutsu, taijutsu,genjutsu, strength,speed, and intelligence.I thinking the only reason you believe that Sasori is more skill than Lady Chiyo and Sakura is because they are an old lady and a young girl.Which if you really read the naruto, you would know that age really means nothing.

As for the Kabuto saying he took the Impure World Resurrection Technique to a higher level than Orochirama and Tobirama.I'm not going to search through the manga for it, but you can read it

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That fact should be obvious, seeing as Orochirama could only summon three shinobi with one failing, while

 

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[blazekev90]

Trying to keep the blk man dwn huh bro????? (lol)

 

[zabuzamistboy]

What's wrong with ya, Hashirama is awesome
Your just all butt hurt lmao

 

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[6PathsofKami]

Firstly, Hiruzen said they were both at full strength and obviously one of their ex students would know how strong they truly were.

Secondly, just because they are HIS techniques doesn't mean anything. I bet she'll tell you Yamato uses his techniques as well... Yet Hashirama >> Yamato.

Third, Kabuto specifically stated he revived Madara to a level stronger than he was in his prime .. Which means the Madara we are seeing never existed, he never had this much power.

As for Oro controlling them - Where did he control them? -.-" The seal removed their emotions so they would kill Hiruzen... It didn't take anything away from them aside fromthe fact they wouldn't kill him.

What everyone dails to realize is the difference between part 1 and 2...

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This i dont get how people dont see this and make stuff up. Even kabuto himself was thinking to himself how powerful hashirama was and how everyone thought he was a fairytale. The edo madara should not be used to show madaras power when he was alive.

 

[FloriGlori]

What is even more annoying than any hype-movement about a character? Exactly, the anti-hype-hating-movement resolving from it. Those are pitiful points you make, dear.

1. Fact is that not just Madara but even Tsunade herself, the best medical Shinobi alive, admitted that her medical Ninjutsu could not compare to Hashirama's. Hype appropriate.

2. Within seconds Madara, who's not even the original owner of Mokuton, created an entire forest that exceeded the size of the meteorites he called down by far. A forest with flowers whose pollen will let the opponent collapse when inhaled. A forest with boles and roots bigger than Susanoo. Hype appropriate.

3. Mokuton gave him the ability to controll Bijuu. He suppressed and tamed their power just like Tobi does right now and shared them with other countries later on. Hype appropriate.

4. He was considered to be the Shinobi on the top of the world back then. His strength was so immense that the people who had never seen it considered it a fairy tail. He was on par with Madara, who was like a better Itachi with some strong fan and the ability to contoll Kurama and even stronger. Hype appropriate again.

And all that hype wasn't just given him by one person. It's hype that's not based on lies or mere legends.

 

[Enchanted Champion]

The only people stronger then him are Nagato/Pain & Hiruzen

 

[yuan of cruxis]

GodaimeRaikage

1st just because Hashirama and Tobirama didnt use all there jutsu doesnt mean they didnt go all out
I mean Kakashi didnt use Kamui against Kakazu
They probaly didnt get a chance to go all out

 

[zabuzamistboy]

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[zerimus]

Obviously everyone is raving about how the 1st is top 3 greats ninja now after the 3 recent manga chapters. Personally I don't see the big deal and why he being talked about so much? Reasons being:

1. The 1st isn't obviously revived cause of Death seal by the 3rd but in that fight he was very lack luster. (maybe some sort of hamper on him but idk).

2. The recent chapters are showing Madara combined with the 1st. So not sure of he can honestly think that Edo Madara using his techs are a real source.

3. The past thing which I don't think us looked into as much all the hype is coming from what Madara says. You can't really trust his viewpoint for the reason that he is quite the sore loser and would project someone beating him as pretty much godly. By making the 1st look better, he is attempting to make it seem less bad he lost to him.

Just think we should wait till we see the 1st actually fight and then say he is the greatest.

so the fact that edo madara who has the 1st power is calling him the strongest he knew means nothing.

this is during his fight with 5 kages to.

so he's spanking the shit out of 5 kages and telling them all you aint shit to the first hokage.

 

[yuan of cruxis]

so the fact that edo madara who has the 1st power is calling him the strongest he knew means nothing.

this is during his fight with 5 kages to.

so he's spanking the shit out of 5 kages and telling them all you aint shit to the first hokage.

But this Madara is way better than he use to be and immortal for that matter

 

[zerimus]

But this Madara is way better than he use to be and immortal for that matter

yeah but with his currect power he is still giving mad props to the 1st.