1st Hokage.... Oversold.

[Trigrams 64 palms]

Obviously everyone is raving about how the 1st is top 3 greats ninja now after the 3 recent manga chapters. Personally I don't see the big deal and why he being talked about so much? Reasons being:

1. The 1st isn't obviously revived cause of Death seal by the 3rd but in that fight he was very lack luster. (maybe some sort of hamper on him but idk).

2. The recent chapters are showing Madara combined with the 1st. So not sure of he can honestly think that Edo Madara using his techs are a real source.

3. The past thing which I don't think us looked into as much all the hype is coming from what Madara says. You can't really trust his viewpoint for the reason that he is quite the sore loser and would project someone beating him as pretty much godly. By making the 1st look better, he is attempting to make it seem less bad he lost to him.

Just think we should wait till we see the 1st actually fight and then say he is the greatest.

 

[Naruto N. Uzumaki]

they where being controll by oro wasnt there own will

 

[Uchiha Josephus]

Madara was the bitter enemy of Hashirama, but he had a great deal of respect for him as well.

He is not lying.

Besides - Tsunade confirms the techniques Madara uses as being the same as her grandfathers. She also confirms what he said last chapter.

 

[The Riddlerr]

Orochiramu wasn't controlling them... He simply removed their emotions so they would kill Hiruzen.

 

[~Naruto&Itachi~]

And as like I always ask why is people hatin?

 

[Uchiha Josephus]

Orochiramu wasn't controlling them... He simply removed their emotions so they would kill Hiruzen.

In which case the third would have been f*cked

No, Orochimaru was controlling them at the time - obviously not well xd

And as like I always ask why is people hatin?

is they? xd

Seriously though - yeah, people can't stand it when a character is shown to be stronger than we thought because then all their arguements in previous threads were just then nullified xd

 

[warlee]

Hashirama is still not in top 5 and he is not far from ems madara they are close.

 

[GodaimeRaikage]

Obviously everyone is raving about how the 1st is top 3 greats ninja now after the 3 recent manga chapters. Personally I don't see the big deal and why he being talked about so much? Reasons being:

1. The 1st isn't obviously revived cause of Death seal by the 3rd but in that fight he was very lack luster. (maybe some sort of hamper on him but idk).

2. The recent chapters are showing Madara combined with the 1st. So not sure of he can honestly think that Edo Madara using his techs are a real source.

3. The past thing which I don't think us looked into as much all the hype is coming from what Madara says. You can't really trust his viewpoint for the reason that he is quite the sore loser and would project someone beating him as pretty much godly. By making the 1st look better, he is attempting to make it seem less bad he lost to him.

Just think we should wait till we see the 1st actually fight and then say he is the greatest.

What nonsense?How stupid of you to degrade the first hokage with what happen when he was an Edo in part one.First of all, Orochirama didn't have full mastery of the Edo Tensei jutsu to the level of Kabuto.Meaning tiny brain, neither the Hashirama or Tobirama were fighting at their full potential.Secondly, Tsunade, Hashirama granddaughter confirmed that the techniques Madara was using were her grandfather's.

Wood Release: Advent of a World of Flowering Trees

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Tsunade confirming Hashirama could heal himself without seals

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Lastly, Madara hated but respect Hashirama.Sore loser or not, we have seen Madara EMS abilities which are Kage level at the least.The matter what the case, madara was defeat by Hashirama.Meaning, Hashirama abilities had to be above his.Not to mention, Kabuto who has revive many power shinobi, including Kages, said Hashirama was the strongest.

 

[Naruto N. Uzumaki]

Hashirama is still not in top 5 and he is not far from ems madara they are close.

what manga have u been reading?

 

[warlee]

what manga have u been reading?

i would rather ask you that question. Madara and hashirama are said to be equal and rival, they even fight on many occassion. Or do you believe hashirama toy w/ madara at vote? or hashirama had no difficulty against madara? And regarding my first statement
current madara, kabuto, tobi, the sage, the sons of sages and even bm naruto is above him. If you can't prove me wrong don't reply or quote me instead of asking a meaningless question.

 

[The Riddlerr]

Firstly, Hiruzen said they were both at full strength and obviously one of their ex students would know how strong they truly were.

Secondly, just because they are HIS techniques doesn't mean anything. I bet she'll tell you Yamato uses his techniques as well... Yet Hashirama >> Yamato.

Third, Kabuto specifically stated he revived Madara to a level stronger than he was in his prime .. Which means the Madara we are seeing never existed, he never had this much power.

As for Oro controlling them - Where did he control them? -.-" The seal removed their emotions so they would kill Hiruzen... It didn't take anything away from them aside fromthe fact they wouldn't kill him.

What everyone dails to realize is the difference between part 1 and 2...

 

[-Jiraiya-]

Whatever the ppl say
Hashirama > all Hokages

 

[warlee]

If what we want to go by is words and hype then hiruzen is the strongest hokage. If hiruzen is shown in part 2 like hashirama he will be stronger than them.

 

[Uchiha Josephus]

Firstly, Hiruzen said they were both at full strength and obviously one of their ex students would know how strong they truly were.

Secondly, just because they are HIS techniques doesn't mean anything. I bet she'll tell you Yamato uses his techniques as well... Yet Hashirama >> Yamato.

Third, Kabuto specifically stated he revived Madara to a level stronger than he was in his prime .. Which means the Madara we are seeing never existed, he never had this much power.

As for Oro controlling them - Where did he control them? -.-" The seal removed their emotions so they would kill Hiruzen... It didn't take anything away from them aside fromthe fact they wouldn't kill him.

What everyone dails to realize is the difference between part 1 and 2...

If Hashirama was acting on his own (w/o emotions) during the fight with the 3rd, the 3rd would have died a few minutes sooner and Oro would still have his arms

Also - Yamato cannot use the same techniques that Hashirama could. Not to the same extent anyway

 

[The Riddlerr]

You really have no idea what I mean by power differences between the parts, do you?
-.-"

 

[Uchiha Josephus]

You really have no idea what I mean by power differences between the parts, do you?
-.-"

I'm just messin with ya

same as DB -> DBZ

 

[The Riddlerr]

Lol if I could slap you over the Internet... I would... Haha.

 

[GodaimeRaikage]

i would rather ask you that question. Madara and hashirama are said to be equal and rival, they even fight on many occassion. Or do you believe hashirama toy w/ madara at vote? or hashirama had no difficulty against madara? And regarding my first statement
current madara, kabuto, tobi, the sage, the sons of sages and even bm naruto is above him. If you can't prove me wrong don't reply or quote me instead of asking a meaningless question.

For someone who doesn't know the difference between fought and fight, you shouldn't be so arrogant.Claiming Madara is equal to Hashirama is stupid.Madara lost to Hashirama in battle, so it's pretty clear Hashirama is stronger, no matter if it's only by a hair.As for you top five.The Sages sons might have been stronger than Hashirama, but you don't know anything about them. Assuming the Sages sons are stronger than Hashirama without facts is idiotic.BM Naruto doesn't have the intelligence or battle skills to take on Hashirama.Naruto blindly tried to attack Nagato with a rasengan after just realizing that Nagato was using all the path's powers.Someone of that intelligence level is not going to defeat someone who founded a village and created the whole shinobi village system. Furthermore, being the nine tails jinchuriki puts Naruto at a disadvantage because Hashirama can control tail beasts.And even if Hashirama couldn't take complete control of Kurama because it's inside naruto, he probably could cause naruto extreme pain like madara did to naruto's clone when he tried to summon the nine tails.Kabuto without Edo Tensei is nothing.Even with Edo Tensei, Kabuto would have to prepare his Edos before facing Hashirama.Furthermore, one technique from hashirama has the strength to put five Kages to sleep.And only a kekkei tota, an advanced form of a Kekkei Genkei that only two shinobis in history are known to have possess was strong enough to stop that one jutsu from Hashirama.Beside Edo, Kabuto has no technique that is of any concern to Hashirama.As for the rest, the S06P is obvious and so his Current Madara because he has the combine powers of Hashirama and Madara.But an Edo shouldn't be in the converstation with a real shinobi.As for Tobi, watching how Bee and Naruto are taking him on, he's not on Hashirama level either.

 

[Kyrik]

For the record, Yamato stated that his powers with Wood Release paled in comparison with Hashirama. So you can't use them as equals.

 

[Trigrams 64 palms]

What nonsense?How stupid of you to degrade the first hokage with what happen when he was an Edo in part one.First of all, Orochirama didn't have full mastery of the Edo Tensei jutsu to the level of Kabuto.Meaning tiny brain, neither the Hashirama or Tobirama were fighting at their full potential.Secondly, Tsunade, Hashirama granddaughter confirmed that the techniques Madara was using were her grandfather's.

Wood Release: Advent of a World of Flowering Trees

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Tsunade confirming Hashirama could heal himself without seals

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Lastly, Madara hated but respect Hashirama.Sore loser or not, we have seen Madara EMS abilities which are Kage level at the least.The matter what the case, madara was defeat by Hashirama.Meaning, Hashirama abilities had to be above his.Not to mention, Kabuto who has revive many power shinobi, including Kages, said Hashirama was the strongest.

Not degrading at all.... I also stated that he might have been weaken but there is no direct lining saying that they aren't at full strength and they were wiped of emotions leading them to be mindless killers...

Again my point being that Madara is the one using these techs in a Edo enhanced all powerful body. Which clearly has to expand his power more then the 1st who again we haven't see fight while he was alive.

Tsunade as a reference is also very basis as you state when talking about how strong he is. She is the granddaughter and would obviously like to project her grandfather in the best light possible especially in front of the other kages. Also that healing with out handseals tech can't be as great as everyone is thinking because it would make him close to unkillabe.

I have no doubt that the 1st is kage level. To conclude that Madara being defeated by the 1st is a reference to him being better is something you can't say. People of lower skill beat people of higher skill all the time in naruto.

Neji vs Naruto: part 1
Every fight during the Sasuke retrieval arc
Sasuke vs diedara
Sasori vs Sakura and Grandma

There is no way you can tell me that Sakura and grandma are more skilled then sasori. Anyway Madara EMS is shown in Edo form in a enhanced body that would have actually lost to naruto clone, Gaara, and Onoki if not for rinnegan.
Madara seems like the fellow who would not take losing kindly.
Also can you show me the link for kabuto saying that I would like to see it.