[Debate] Does God exist?

[acdcrockgods]

i dont get it some people if you dont believe than thats your thing but dont knock ppl who do. b/c science isn't 100% either, their trying to state thing's that happen before anything existed? how can you prove something that you nor anyone else was present of? science is a good thing i love science personally but i know that it's a bunch of "what if's" and it's limited to tangible things so until i can teleport to a island just by thinking than science need to stFu about something that gave you knowledge and science to began with

 

[Necron]

you're a moron or something?. why is it people always ask these ridiculous questions?

why doesnt God stop evil? why doesnt God stop crimes? why doesnt God heal the sick or feed the hungry?

1 word sin.

when man sinned we brought upon all these hardships on ourselves. but what you should really be asking is why does God allows me to live even though im scum and have been disobedient to Him for all this time? why did he allow me to be born?

let me ask you a question: why did you stop believing?

First: Insulting me shows I am bothering you, while I barelly state my oppinion... Why does that bother you? Maybe it makes your mind think I might be right, and you don't like that...
Second, I lost faith because it seemed illogical to belive in something that has no proof to back it up... The question is, why do you belive? Isn't it more like you need something for psychological support? Not trying to be offensive, but I can understand you people... You still haven't made peace with the fact that death is to come, so you need religion to apease your fear... I don't...
finally, you talk about sin... so, how is it fair for me to pay for the sins of my ancestors?

 

[Ninpou]

still doesnt make sense.

you're saying that its pointless to ask a question if the answer is not meant to be answered?

or your saying if the question is asked than it means the question needs an answer?

is english your first language?

What im saying is that if someone asks a question, they expect it to be answered.
You expected me to answer your questions right?

 

[Deadai]

Laws of Physics?
Coming from a Monkey doesn't follow these laws.

did you seriously just ask that? wtf ​

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[acdcrockgods]

Saul and Jesus never met nor were they even alive at the same time. Are we talking about the same religion here?

you need to read before you can argue in this thread, i wont ruin the surprise for you since you dont know.

 

[Darr06]

But then freewill contradicts everything about profecy in the bible and also predestination.

Well, predestination is only believed in by calvinists. They interpret the bible that way. I'm an armenist. We believe that people are not predestined, but are saved through a belief in God of our own will. Prophecy is not contradicted by free will. Free will allows for many possible avenues of futures or possibilities dependent on choices. However, prophesy is an unveiling of either God's plans, or knowlege he has of things to come. Biblical prophesy doesn't necessarily mean it HAS to happen that way. I think the exception is messianic prophesy regarding the coming of Jesus and the end times. Those seem to be the only fixed points. Its complicated, haha.

 

[SSW Imp]

I see a lot of contradictions from that. If God is Omnibenevolent, surely he wouldnt have created/allowed sins only for him to punish people later on?

If God is Omniscience, surely he wouldnt have allowed people who are going to grow up to be murderer, rapists and such to be born?

Unless of course God cannot do these things because he is not Omnipotent then you are merely demeaning the divine feature of a God.

Because he gives us a free will and only you can have the choice to make a dessicion, you can ask him to guide you in the right path but in the end it is determined on what you coif you chose to sin and end up in hell that is your choice

 

[Revyy]

This, I love you Felicia4

Thanks.

It all depends on a person,s life an religion.

A homeless person could see a rich person that sells drugs, and say "why god"...later on he would say.......... "there is no god"

@Felicia14, time doesnt have to do anything with this, there is never a bad place to talk about god, and could you link me to a website called:

talkaboutgodwithtimeandplace.com

I think you misunderstand like everyone else. I'm not saying there is a bad time to talk about God, but on NB time will show that threads like this turn into a hate fest, people fighting insulting. The place this is a Anime website filled with people who can't handle another's opinion. ( No offense to anyone really just a observation) It's bad because of the reasons stated above. That is what I mean by my comment. Not literally.

Do I believe in God? Yes/Maybe I'm on the fence, Do I believe in religion no I don't, Don't mean I don't know about It. My sister is Muslim, My fiancee Methodist, My sister Christan, My other sister Catholic. I disagree with religion as a whole that's all.

 

[acdcrockgods]

Actually, Jesus appeared to Saul and actually ended up blinding him. Same religion, haha

that is so true but you shouldn't have told him, he needs to find out on his own or he would never learn and just keep fighting you in the long run. let him second guess himself and than be inclined to find proof so he can learn the truth on his own will

 

[Slingshot]

I see a lot of contradictions from that. If God is Omnibenevolent, surely he wouldnt have created/allowed sins only for him to punish people later on?

If God is Omniscience, surely he wouldnt have allowed people who are going to grow up to be murderer, rapists and such to be born?

Unless of course God cannot do these things because he is not Omnipotent then you are merely demeaning the divine feature of a God.

We choose how to live our own lives. God knows what we're going to do ahead of time. But then if he decided that no person who sins should be born then no one would be born. We all sin and we all do good deeds. Even the worst of us have done things right. I know ***-offenders and ex-thieves and ex-drug dealers who now help people. would you say that they should never have been born because of their sins?

God doesn't work that way. He lets life work as it should and lets us go about our daily business. You can't get mad at God for creating the rapist and murderers of this world because he didn't make them that way. We as a society made them that way and until we stop blaming God and start actively trying to work together as humans to make this world a better place sin will continue to exist.

 

[NarutoVsGoku]

I see a lot of contradictions from that. If God is Omnibenevolent, surely he wouldnt have created/allowed sins only for him to punish people later on?

If God is Omniscience, surely he wouldnt have allowed people who are going to grow up to be murderer, rapists and such to be born?

Unless of course God cannot do these things because he is not Omnipotent then you are merely demeaning the divine feature of a God.

see this is another tactic by athiest. you cannot disprove Gods existence but what you will do is question his character.

do you know what sin even is? because if you did you wouldnt ask a silly question like that. sin is the transgression of God.

God created us with free will. the will to follow him or not. and what we do? we disobeyed him since adam and eve. now you should ask, well why didnt God just make us without free will so we wouldnt disobey him. well then we would be robots right? would you want that? and that wouldnt be love, to force us to obey him. so God gave us free will but with that free will many of us use it to make the wrong choices and sin.

well why did you stop at murderers and rapists? why didnt you include liars, thiefs, adulterers, fornicators as well? because it says in 1 Corinthians that all of them are basically in the same boat, that they all wont inherit the kingdom of heaven. but God came down to earth to die for our sin so that we may have grace to and be justified in his eyes and inherit the kingdom of heaven

God cannot do what? say what?

answer me this why dont you believe in God?

But then freewill contradicts everything about prophecy in the bible and also predestination.

no it doesnt.

 

[Darr06]

First: Insulting me shows I am bothering you, while I barelly state my oppinion... Why does that bother you? Maybe it makes your mind think I might be right, and you don't like that...
Second, I lost faith because it seemed illogical to belive in something that has no proof to back it up... The question is, why do you belive? Isn't it more like you need something for psychological support? Not trying to be offensive, but I can understand you people... You still haven't made peace with the fact that death is to come, so you need religion to apease your fear... I don't...
finally, you talk about sin... so, how is it fair for me to pay for the sins of my ancestors?

I don't see it that way. If it was just about psychological support, I would go see a therapist, not believe some random story. Death will come to all. If there's nothing afterward, I guess thats ok. Believing or not won't change that, but I live in such a way that I will have no regrets whether there is a God or not. And not just because I'm afraid of hell, but because I'm grateful to Jesus for making a way for me to enter heaven and for forgiving me for what I've done wrong.How are you paying for the sins of your ancestors? There's plenty of proof for God. Just look at creation.

 

[Out Of Ctrl]

Well, predestination is only believed in by calvinists. They interpret the bible that way. I'm an armenist. We believe that people are not predestined, but are saved through a belief in God of our own will. Prophecy is not contradicted by free will. Free will allows for many possible avenues of futures or possibilities dependent on choices. However, prophesy is an unveiling of either God's plans, or knowlege he has of things to come. Biblical prophesy doesn't necessarily mean it HAS to happen that way. I think the exception is messianic prophesy regarding the coming of Jesus and the end times. Those seem to be the only fixed points. Its complicated, haha.

You have to be specific when asking the question "Does God exist?" What kind of God? There are hundreds of God from different religions. Could be Jesus Christ, Vishnu or even Aristotle's Unmoved Mover.

 

[acdcrockgods]

if you were a god that has to judge a abundance of ppl ever day will you just appear and have ppl fake it just to make it to your house of awesomeness? no! you would let them weed them self's out so that the true one can shine

 

[Necron]

I don't see it that way. If it was just about psychological support, I would go see a therapist, not believe some random story. Death will come to all. If there's nothing afterward, I guess thats ok. Believing or not won't change that, but I live in such a way that I will have no regrets whether there is a God or not. And not just because I'm afraid of hell, but because I'm grateful to Jesus for making a way for me to enter heaven and for forgiving me for what I've done wrong.How are you paying for the sins of your ancestors? There's plenty of proof for God. Just look at creation.

then, good for you... but saddly, you are an exception... Most people who belive in a god, behave just in order to please him... Not because they actually want to be good...

 

[Slingshot]

Actually, Jesus appeared to Saul and actually ended up blinding him. Same religion, haha

Oh you mean Paul, I thought he was referring to King Saul.

 

[mat2720]

not saying u shouldnt talk about god

but this is a manga / anime website if u wanna talk about god go to church, people mostly come here to talk about manga because they think this is a site for talking about manga, yeh some people come here to take the piss out of other people but thats not the point... yeh maybe the majority of people on here are athiest or agnostic but if ur allowed to preach about god then we are allowed to flame u so tbh its better to just save this kind of thing for another place

 

[Ninpou]

Well, predestination is only believed in by calvinists. They interpret the bible that way. I'm an armenist. We believe that people are not predestined, but are saved through a belief in God of our own will. Prophecy is not contradicted by free will. Free will allows for many possible avenues of futures or possibilities dependent on choices. However, prophesy is an unveiling of either God's plans, or knowlege he has of things to come. Biblical prophesy doesn't necessarily mean it HAS to happen that way. I think the exception is messianic prophesy regarding the coming of Jesus and the end times. Those seem to be the only fixed points. Its complicated, haha.

Yes but god plans themselves contradict free will, if god know whats going to happen next then that means humans have no freewill. Was it Judas or peter that sold jesus to the romans? Correct me if im wrong but that was prophsised, it was said that he would betray jesus, meaning that god had planned for him to do that, he would have gone to hell for that but would it be fair since it was prophesied that he would betray jesus before he was born? Its the same with criminals.

 

[Slingshot]

not saying u shouldnt talk about god

but this is a manga / anime website if u wanna talk about god go to church, people mostly come here to talk about manga because they think this is a site for talking about manga, yeh some people come here to take the piss out of other people but thats not the point... yeh maybe the majority of people on here are athiest or agnostic but if ur allowed to preach about god then we are allowed to flame u so tbh its better to just save this kind of thing for another place

Yeah but nobody would be in here if they didn't want to talk about religion. Anybody who clicks on this thread has to know what they're getting into.

 

[acdcrockgods]

Oh you mean Paul, I thought he was referring to King Saul.

saul and paul is the same thing in the bible he went by saul before the jesus encounter than paul later on b/c ppl who he spoke to and told to spread the word got his name confused and mixed up