Spoilers: Ending Gaara VS MS Sasuke debate & Amaterasu

[blackbird31468]

in the video it not only shows sasuke dodging gaara's sand in a weakened state, but it also shows sasuke getting past gaara's sand with his chidori sword. and sasuke doesn't have the sword of kusanagi. sasuke was not at full power and in the video you placed for evidence, shows that a weakened sasuke can keep up with gaara at full strength.

 

[lswhyte123]

The verdict here is: Sasuke fans refuse to believe what has been proven. Manga agrees,Anime agrees and this extra footage Which is not filler btw agrees with me.

I know what filler is and this isn't it. This is added by Kishimoto & Studio Pierot to add depth to fights that didn't have a lot shown.

For those of you who believe the translation on NB is accurate,you are wrong. That is not the actual phrasing. Go out and buy the actual book and see for yourselves. Sasuke admits that Gaara blocks his Enton effectively. So manga states Gaara blocks Enton,Anime & Any other footage agree that it was Amaterasu,which Enton is a form of.

This is an extract of the actual translation of what happened from the Japanese to English. Not the mistaken one from NB:
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Ao: Enough muttering to one another! // I happen to be a tracking-type myself. / ...I'm aware that the enemy has uncovered our position. // However, you are not to move under any circumstances. // We will take care of the enemy ourselves.
Tsuchikage: (This summit is getting rather interesting...)
Kurotsuchi: (Wh... Whoa...)
Sasuke: To think that you would be able to guard against my Enton to this extent. / Your Absolute Defence is still in good shape, I see.

To the Sasuke fans posing as Sasuke fans. Learn more about the character you love so much. It is the sword of Kusanagi.

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To those who feel that Sasuke was weakened,you are 100% correct,he was. On the other hand,if you think Gaara was trying in any way shape or form,then you are being ignorant. Gaara,in this footage,holds Sasuke in Sand Coffin and tries to speak with him,when he realises Sasuke isn't listening,he then crushes him. But he isn't trying to kill Sasuke. He knows that that is for Naruto to do.

This is what CyberConnect2 and Kishi said about the new anime content made by Studio Pierot:
Over 60 minutes of All-New Animated Content from Studio Pierrot

Includes anime content detailing the NARUTO story from certain characters’ points of view, many of which were never shown in the Anime or Manga!

 

[blackbird31468]

The verdict here is: Sasuke fans refuse to believe what has been proven. Manga agrees,Anime agrees and this extra footage Which is not filler btw agrees with me.

I know what filler is and this isn't it. This is added by Kishimoto & Studio Pierot to add depth to fights that didn't have a lot shown.

For those of you who believe the translation on NB is accurate,you are wrong. That is not the actual phrasing. Go out and buy the actual book and see for yourselves. Sasuke admits that Gaara blocks his Enton effectively. So manga states Gaara blocks Enton,Anime & Any other footage agree that it was Amaterasu,which Enton is a form of.

This is an extract of the actual translation of what happened from the Japanese to English. Not the mistaken one from NB:
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Ao: Enough muttering to one another! // I happen to be a tracking-type myself. / ...I'm aware that the enemy has uncovered our position. // However, you are not to move under any circumstances. // We will take care of the enemy ourselves.
Tsuchikage: (This summit is getting rather interesting...)
Kurotsuchi: (Wh... Whoa...)
Sasuke: To think that you would be able to guard against my Enton to this extent. / Your Absolute Defence is still in good shape, I see.

To the Sasuke fans posing as Sasuke fans. Learn more about the character you love so much. It is the sword of Kusanagi.

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To those who feel that Sasuke was weakened,you are 100% correct,he was. On the other hand,if you think Gaara was trying in any way shape or form,then you are being ignorant. Gaara,in this footage,holds Sasuke in Sand Coffin and tries to speak with him,when he realises Sasuke isn't listening,he then crushes him. But he isn't trying to kill Sasuke. He knows that that is for Naruto to do.

This is what CyberConnect2 and Kishi said about the new anime content made by Studio Pierot:
Over 60 minutes of All-New Animated Content from Studio Pierrot

Includes anime content detailing the NARUTO story from certain characters’ points of view, many of which were never shown in the Anime or Manga!

no, the verdict is: sasuke beats gaara and your too much of a gaara fan to realise were you went wrong in your argument. and sasuke's kusanagi doesn't provide the same abilities as orochimarus' does, that's why he needs to flow lightning through it to make it useful.

 

[Ambriel]

What's the argument, gaara cant beat sasuke

 

[Shinozgr8]

unfortunately, this is not the sword of kusanagi. it's a mere mimic of it/sasuke's version. the real sword of kusanagi CAN PENETRATE ANYTHING AND extend itself. sasuke's "kusanagi" has to have lightning channeled into it to sharpen it's blade and penetration power. as well as have the lightning affinity to so called "extend" it

 

[Shinozgr8]

The verdict here is: Sasuke fans refuse to believe what has been proven. Manga agrees,Anime agrees and this extra footage Which is not filler btw agrees with me.

I know what filler is and this isn't it. This is added by Kishimoto & Studio Pierot to add depth to fights that didn't have a lot shown.

For those of you who believe the translation on NB is accurate,you are wrong. That is not the actual phrasing. Go out and buy the actual book and see for yourselves. Sasuke admits that Gaara blocks his Enton effectively. So manga states Gaara blocks Enton,Anime & Any other footage agree that it was Amaterasu,which Enton is a form of.

This is an extract of the actual translation of what happened from the Japanese to English. Not the mistaken one from NB:
12
Ao: Enough muttering to one another! // I happen to be a tracking-type myself. / ...I'm aware that the enemy has uncovered our position. // However, you are not to move under any circumstances. // We will take care of the enemy ourselves.
Tsuchikage: (This summit is getting rather interesting...)
Kurotsuchi: (Wh... Whoa...)
Sasuke: To think that you would be able to guard against my Enton to this extent. / Your Absolute Defence is still in good shape, I see.

To the Sasuke fans posing as Sasuke fans. Learn more about the character you love so much. It is the sword of Kusanagi.

You must be registered for see images

To those who feel that Sasuke was weakened,you are 100% correct,he was. On the other hand,if you think Gaara was trying in any way shape or form,then you are being ignorant. Gaara,in this footage,holds Sasuke in Sand Coffin and tries to speak with him,when he realises Sasuke isn't listening,he then crushes him. But he isn't trying to kill Sasuke. He knows that that is for Naruto to do.

This is what CyberConnect2 and Kishi said about the new anime content made by Studio Pierot:
Over 60 minutes of All-New Animated Content from Studio Pierrot

Includes anime content detailing the NARUTO story from certain characters’ points of view, many of which were never shown in the Anime or Manga!

btw, do you have any lost shino footage? <3

 

[Uchiha Riyo]

Gaara can block Amaterasu, it was shown in the anime and manga.

 

[-Vegeta-]

As everyone has been saying Gaara blocked enton, not amaterasu. There's a difference. Amaterasu appears wherever the user is looking while Sasuke was simply manipulating amaterasu hence enton and throwing it at Gaara.

I don't believe Gaara can block amaterasu.

 

[lswhyte123]

unfortunately, this is not the sword of kusanagi. it's a mere mimic of it/sasuke's version. the real sword of kusanagi CAN PENETRATE ANYTHING AND extend itself. sasuke's "kusanagi" has to have lightning channeled into it to sharpen it's blade and penetration power. as well as have the lightning affinity to so called "extend" it

Ok. If Orochimaru's Sword of Kusanagi is the real deal,then how come it fails to pierce Naruto in 4 tails mode?
Answer is simple. All these legendary items are not as good as the stories say. Also,if you have any evidence that Orochimaru made a second sword of Kusanagi for Sasuke,then you have a point.

no, the verdict is: sasuke beats gaara and your too much of a gaara fan to realise were you went wrong in your argument. and sasuke's kusanagi doesn't provide the same abilities as orochimarus' does, that's why he needs to flow lightning through it to make it useful.

Gaara was beating Sasuke in the footage we have seen. In the manga,Sasuke doesn't land a hit on Gaara. Gaara just doesn't land a hit on Sasuke either. All the manga shows us is that Sasuke can't bypass Gaara's sand but that the combined attack of the 4 forces Sasuke to use Susanoo. The anime and Extra content shows Gaara owning Sasuke.
My argument is SOLID,Based 100% of evidence which I have been using throughout this debate. If you can provide evidence which says otherwise,then be my guest and I will listen.
Until then,consider yourself owned!!!! :flaw:

Supporting my theory:
1: Anime
2: Manga(official)
3: Additional content made by Studio Pierot,CC2 & Kishi.

Show me a link which shows that Sasuke Sword of Kusanagi isn't the real one?

 

[lswhyte123]

As everyone has been saying Gaara blocked enton, not amaterasu. There's a difference. Amaterasu appears wherever the user is looking while Sasuke was simply manipulating amaterasu hence enton and throwing it at Gaara.

I don't believe Gaara can block amaterasu.

You are correct in saying the manga states that it is Enton. The anime & Extra content show that Sasuke uses Amaterasu though. So 2v1. 2 Gets my vote.

Sorry for double post people,it's just that the 4th is special and needs his own post....nobody else gets the 4th's post....lol

 

[FloriGlori]

You are correct in saying the manga states that it is Enton. The anime & Extra content show that Sasuke uses Amaterasu though. So 2v1. 2 Gets my vote.

Sorry for double post people,it's just that the 4th is special and needs his own post....nobody else gets the 4th's post....lol

With this post you basicly messed up your entire argument. Indeed, the manga = the only canon source = shows that he blocked Enton. Anime and footage are non-canon sources made by Studio Pierrot, so it's totally irrelevant what they are showing. It's actually 1 vs. 0. 1 gets my vote. That's something you have to understand before we can continue arguing.

Apart from that your entire argumentation had no foundation from the very begining; even in your precious footage Gaara blocks Enton, not Amaterasu. Though they even messed up the names. Not the only thing all those footages messed up, by the way. I'll explain the difference between Amaterasu and Enton once more.

Amatersu = A flame appearing at the exact spot Sasuke's focusing his eye on. The flame travels no distance at all and is not thrown. It appears directly at the enemy, out of nowhere.

Enton = The ability to manipulate already existing flames, for example by throwing them at somebody. When using Enton they're thrown and move foreward, like projectiles, hence they can be predicted and blocked.

 

[lswhyte123]

With this post you basicly messed up your entire argument. Indeed, the manga = the only canon source = shows that he blocked Enton. Anime and footage are non-canon sources made by Studio Pierrot, so it's totally irrelevant what they are showing. It's actually 1 vs. 0. 1 gets my vote. That's something you have to understand before we can continue arguing.

Apart from that your entire argumentation had no foundation from the very begining; even in your precious footage Gaara blocks Enton, not Amaterasu. Though they even messed up the names. Not the only thing all those footages messed up, by the way. I'll explain the difference between Amaterasu and Enton once more.

Amatersu = A flame appearing at the exact spot Sasuke's focusing his eye on. The flame travels no distance at all and is not thrown. It appears directly at the enemy, out of nowhere.

Enton = The ability to manipulate already existing flames, for example by throwing them at somebody. When using Enton they're thrown and move foreward, like projectiles, hence they can be predicted and blocked.

So,in both Anime shown,Sasuke starts with Amaterasu and then controls the flame-Enton.
In the Manga,Sasuke says that Gaara blocks his Enton so effectively. Sasuke admits that Gaara is the one that blocks Sasuke's move.

If you are only using NB manga as you're proof,then you have no foundations/basis for argument.
Go and buy the actual manga and then come back to me. Page 18,issue 50. Sasuke says to Gaara.

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TBH Flori,I'm sick of ur BS arguments. You have no evidence,and the things you say are all wrong. APart from the fact that the Manga calls it Enton.

Enton:Blaze Release (炎遁, Enton; Viz "Inferno Style") is an advanced chakra nature. Sasuke Uchiha uses this technique when manipulating the unquenchable black flames of Amaterasu

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Amaterasu:The jet-black flames of the Amaterasu, said to be the fires from hell that are as hot as the sun, ignite at the focus of the user's vision.[4] Though the flames have been stated to be unavoidable, Amaterasu has been avoided a few times.

It is stated nowhere that the flames appear instantly. Only that they converge at the users focal point.
Amaterasu vs Bee: The flames travel.

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Amaterasu vs Raikage: The flames travel.

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[Marios]

I'm afraid some uchiha fans are hopeless cases.

Amatersu = A flame appearing at the exact spot Sasuke's focusing his eye on. The flame travels no distance at all and is not thrown. It appears directly at the enemy, out of nowhere.

_O-
If that would have been the case then A wouldn't had been able to dodge it... teleportation > raw speed

 

[lswhyte123]

I'm afraid some uchiha fans are hopeless cases.

_O-
If that would have been the case then A wouldn't had been able to dodge it... teleportation > raw speed

I know,it's a shame. I have given him manga,anime and additional footage which proves that Gaara blocked it. He still says I have no evidence.

Sasuke fans are the worst.

 

[FloriGlori]

So,in both Anime shown,Sasuke starts with Amaterasu and then controls the flame-Enton.
In the Manga,Sasuke says that Gaara blocks his Enton so effectively. Sasuke admits that Gaara is the one that blocks Sasuke's move.

If you are only using NB manga as you're proof,then you have no foundations/basis for argument.
Go and buy the actual manga and then come back to me. Page 18,issue 50. Sasuke says to Gaara.

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TBH Flori,I'm sick of ur BS arguments. You have no evidence,and the things you say are all wrong. APart from the fact that the Manga calls it Enton.

Enton:Blaze Release (炎遁, Enton; Viz "Inferno Style") is an advanced chakra nature. Sasuke Uchiha uses this technique when manipulating the unquenchable black flames of Amaterasu

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Amaterasu:The jet-black flames of the Amaterasu, said to be the fires from hell that are as hot as the sun, ignite at the focus of the user's vision.[4] Though the flames have been stated to be unavoidable, Amaterasu has been avoided a few times.

It is stated nowhere that the flames appear instantly. Only that they converge at the users focal point.
Amaterasu vs Bee: The flames travel.

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Amaterasu vs Raikage: The flames travel.

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2:05

Ignorance at its best. How many times do I have to repeat myself?

It doesn't matter what the anime shows. The manga pages are the only canon sources. I'm not just refering to the things that were said (that are in my favour in both translations), but the things that were shown. What was shown is that Gaara blocks flames moving into his direction before they're even close to his body => Amaterasu manipulated by Enton. He did not block Amaterasu's direct usage, in which case the flames would've appeared directly at or centimeters before Gaara's body. That's all the evidence needed. That's canon evidence. Evidence you cannot argue against. All you have is the anime that has been misinterpreting content ever since and a footage which also shows that Gaara blocks a moving flame, hence Amaterasu being manipulated by Enton - both made by Studio Pierrot, not Kishimoto. Be obsessed with your oppinion as much as you want, but please don't try to back it up with invalid proof. There's a point when it starts to get ridiculous.


Amaterasu against Bee: Sasuke's sight travels. The flames just appear. Instantly.

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Amaterasu against Raikage: It appears out of nowhere, right before A's chest.

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Amaterasu against Tobi: The flames appear out of nowhere. Instantly.

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Amaterasu against Nagato: It suddenly appears.

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Enton: Kagetsuchi against Gaara: Amaterasu is used, yet an already existing flame is thrown like a projectile.

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[lswhyte123]

Ignorance at its best. How many times do I have to repeat myself?

It doesn't matter what the anime shows. The manga pages are the only canon sources. I'm not just refering to the things that were said (that are in my favour in both translations), but the things that were shown. What was shown is that Gaara blocks flames moving into his direction before they're even close to his body => Amaterasu manipulated by Enton. He did not block Amaterasu's direct usage, in which case the flames would've appeared directly at or centimeters before Gaara's body. That's all the evidence needed. That's canon evidence. Evidence you cannot argue against. All you have is the anime that has been misinterpreting content ever since and a footage which also shows that Gaara blocks a moving flame, hence Amaterasu being manipulated by Enton - both made by Studio Pierrot, not Kishimoto. Be obsessed with your oppinion as much as you want, but please don't try to back it up with invalid proof. There's a point when it starts to get ridiculous.


Amaterasu against Bee: Sasuke's sight travels. The flames just appear. Instantly.

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Amaterasu against Raikage: It appears out of nowhere, right before A's chest.

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Amaterasu against Tobi: The flames appear out of nowhere. Instantly.

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Amaterasu against Nagato: It suddenly appears.

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I showed you the Manga page which says Gaara blocks....

The images you sent show that something is getting closer to Bee. It also shows that it's not instant. If it were instant,A wouldn't be able to dodge it. The flames appear on the user yes,but not instantly.

I am done arguing/debating with you because(and sorry to offend) you're not all that bright. Manga,anime,additional content all agree with me. I don't care what you say any longer as the poll also agrees with me.
I made another thread about what the official manga says and that also agrees with me.

So stfu and go enjoy life,being wrong. :izuna: I Win

 

[FloriGlori]

After that much of explanation you still don't get the difference between Enton: Kagetsuchi and Amaterasu? The difference between a black flame being thrown at somebody from a distance and a black flame appearing straight at the target, out of nowhere? Really? Talking about bright.. my oh my.

Thinking to be the winner yet lacking any valid argument is further proof of your.. imbecility.

 

[lswhyte123]

After that much of explanation you still don't get the difference between Enton: Kagetsuchi and Amaterasu? The difference between a black flame being thrown at somebody from a distance and a black flame appearing straight at the target? Really? Talking about bright.. my oh my.

Thinking to be the winner yet having any valid argument is further proof of your.. imbecility.

I get it.

It's simple. What you fail to see,is the official manga page agrees with me and not you. Please stop this. You have no back-up.

I can show you the page again if you wish...

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That is much closer to the actual translation.

It is 17 vs 5 in Gaara's favour. Stop this crap.

 

[FloriGlori]

Obviously not. The page says 'I'm impressed you can guard yourself so well against my flames'. What you apparently fail to see is that Enton: Kagetsuchi is using the black flames, too. I'll explain it last more time.

Yes, Sasuke creates Amaterasu. But there's a difference between a) creating the flames directly at the target and b) creating a primary flame as a 'source' in order to shoot 'projectiles' made of Amaterasu, like Sasuke's Susanoo recently did. How it looks like when Amaterasu is directly used against the enemy is shown at the various pages I just gave you in one of my latest posts. Indeed, Gaara's sand is strong enough to block the flames. That was shown without any doubt. But my point is that it is not fast enough to block Amaterasu if it's directly used at Gaara, without manipulation via Enton: Kagetsuchi.

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There is a black flame burning above Sasuke's head, which is most likely the source used to shoot those Amaterasu projectiles at Gaara - just like the flame Sasuke's Susanoo is holding in its hand.

It's obvious that this flame does not appear directly at Gaara. It's clearly visible that it's moving towards him and that it's not even close to his body. This flame was 'shot' from the flame above Sasuke's head ~> Which means that Amaterasu has been manipulated via Enton: Kagetsuchi and was not directly used at him.

 

[lswhyte123]

Obviously not. The page says 'I'm impressed you can guard yourself so well against my flames'. What you apparently fail to see is that Enton: Kagetsuchi is using the black flames, too. I'll explain it one more time in detail, with a picutre.

Yes, Sasuke creates Amaterasu. But there's a difference between a) creating the flames directly at the target and b) creating a primary flame as a 'source' in order to shoot 'projectiles' made of Amaterasu, like Sasuke's Susanoo recently did. How it looks like when Amaterasu is directly used against the enemy is shown at the various pages I gave you in my last post. Indeed, Gaara's sand is strong enough to block the flames. That was shown without any doubt. But my point is that it is not fast enough to block Amaterasu if it's directly used at Gaara, without manipulation via Enton: Kagetsuchi.

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There is a black flame burning above Sasuke's head, which is most likely the source used to shoot those Amaterasu projectiles at Gaara - just like the flame Sasuke's Susanoo is holding in its hand.

It's obvious that this flame does not appear directly at Gaara. It's clearly visible that it's moving towards him and that it's not even close to his body. This flame was 'shot' from the flame above Sasuke's head ~> Which means that Amaterasu has been manipulated via Enton: Kagetsuchi and was not directly used at him.

Okay then we will have to agree to disagree.