Hashirama vs Nagato

[warlee]

what not all his animals can fly they will be on the ground and hashi can attack mid air he doesnt have to be on the ground lol. he can capture the bird from standing on top of his forest

and nagato will watch as he capture the bird? and w/ what will he capture the bird?

 

[Turson]

what not all his animals can fly they will be on the ground and hashi can attack mid air he doesnt have to be on the ground lol

I wasnt talking about other summons, Im only talking about bird, since aerial advantage would give Nagato a lot in this battle. And Hashirama cant fly.

he can capture the bird from standing on top of his forest

Has anyone said that bird can only fly in place? Nagato can just fly higher. It wont limit his own attacks, since like I said time in which the gravitation force travells to target is almost non existent.

 

[pensilol]

1.mid range is plenty enough space
2. mokuton can restrain animals easily seeing how he can do tailed beasts and if they are restrained they are useless and who is to say that bringer of darkness only works on nagato especially seeing how wide his jutsu is honestly his summons wont help him much after seeing even ninetails was captured/supressed during his fight with madara
3. He is slow cannot dodge very many attacks unless you have speed feats from nagato there was a reason kabuto used the animals excessively
4. And if he uses his big shinra tensei one it kills his animals in range and hashi can defend against it and seeing how his mobility is restrained nothing much would change

2. Mokuton works only on Tailed Beasts.

3. He is not slow, even Hanzo was impressed by his speed.

4. His dogs wont die, they would even multiplify, and how can you belive that some wood saves him from a big Shinra Tensei ? You see what happened with the village ? You think some wood would change it ?
In mid range?


You are a big Nagato hater imo.

 

[arv993]

and nagato will watch as he capture the bird? and w/ what will he capture the bird?

first of all its called mokuton which is what hashi uses for most his wood etends far and a big slow bird id not hard to catch. And this is with the assumption that genjutsu doesnt work on the summons.

 

[serpiente clan]

Evrything (arv933) said is bulls shit he never see in battle hashirama nagato distroy. A villige helo villige

 

[Turson]

first of all its called mokuton which is what hashi uses for most his wood etends far and a big slow bird id not hard to catch. And this is with the assumption that genjutsu doesnt work on the summons.

Why are you making biased appellations like "slow bird" just for Hashiramas favor? Bird will be blind? No problmem, Nagato has his own eyes and their vision is linked.

 

[serpiente clan]

And another think is nagato this destroy his mokoton hashirama got 90to fall to sleepp we his jutsu

 

[Ryuu..]

Nagato was a fast ninja before his legs were burned:
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[warlee]

first of all its called mokuton which is what hashi uses for most his wood etends far and a big slow bird id not hard to catch. And this is with the assumption that genjutsu doesnt work on the summons.

the genjutsu don't bind neither does it paralyze it only block ur vision and any wood used by hashirama can be repel.

 

[arv993]

2. Mokuton works only on Tailed Beasts.

3. He is not slow, even Hanzo was impressed by his speed.

4. His dogs wont die, they would even multiplify, and how can you belive that some wood saves him from a big Shinra Tensei ? You see what happened with the village ? You think some wood would change it ?
In mid range?


You are a big Nagato hater imo.

NO That is not true he can restrain things other than tailed beasts its just that his mokuton suppresses tb chakra and its specialized for bijus. Second the summons are not terribly strong and we have seen how powerful mokuton is why would it only work on tailed beats lol that would be worthless.

3. no he is not terribly fast he never had speed feats

4. that only when they are cut not when they are restrained

5. yes nagato can destroy it but hashi can defend against it too and inetrva would increase if its such a big shinra tensei. add the fact that he is blind he can be hit by hashi. Yea its just some wood execpt for the fact that there is enough to create forests in an instant and is useful in offense and defense.


I dont give what you think about me honestly

 

[Turson]

NO That is not true he can restrain things other than tailed beasts its just that his mokuton suppresses tb chakra and its specialized for bijus. Second the summons are not terribly strong and we have seen how powerful mokuton is why would it only work on tailed beats lol that would be worthless.

True, Mokuton can restrain summons but it wont be much of a threat for flying bird and Nagato on it.

 

[Out Of Ctrl]

first of all its called mokuton which is what hashi uses for most his wood etends far and a big slow bird id not hard to catch. And this is with the assumption that genjutsu doesnt work on the summons.

To be honest there is a high probability that even Mokuton can be absorbed by Preta Path seeing as its made from chakra of Hashirama. A guy earlier showed a really good example :

This is Preta Path absorbing Jiraiya's Oil jutsu

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Now if Preta Path's abilities can even absorb oil why not wood? Why would it make wood special? Even if its a KG its still made from chakra so with this Hashirama's main arsenal of attack would even be useless :shrug:

 

[arv993]

the genjutsu don't bind neither does it paralyze it only block ur vision and any wood used by hashirama can be repel.

yes but do u understand that if he is blind his biggest weakness. he got hit by totsuka how becos he did not see it he could have used one shinra tensei but he couldn't simply becos of his disadvantage in sight
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[arv993]

To be honest there is a high probability that even Mokuton can be absorbed by Preta Path seeing as its made from chakra of Hashirama. A guy earlier showed a really good example :

This is Preta Path absorbing Jiraiya's Oil jutsu

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Now if Preta Path's abilities can even absorb oil why not wood? Why would it make wood special? Even if its a KG its still made from chakra so with this Hashirama's main arsenal of attack would even be useless :shrug:

did i ever say it doesnt get absorbed. no never but he can get hit if he is blind which means he would gets caught off guard and we have seen that happen. he still his options to give a killing blow when he is blind which include taijutsu, his swords.

He got hit by itachi's amaterasu and sussano's hands both made of chakra when he was off guard the same can happen if he is blind since the attack can come from anywhere. And when he has vision blocked he is vulnerable to attcks like how he got hit with itachi's totsuka when he could have used shinra tensei.

 

[Ryuu..]

did i ever say it doesnt get absorbed. no never but he can get hit if he is blind which means he would gets caught off guard and we have seen that happen. he still his options to give a killing blow when he is blind which include taijutsu, his swords.

Yes but see I don't think there will be a situation where Nagato gets caught off guard. As I already said, even in Bringer-of-darkness technique SHinra or Chibaku Tensei will keep Hashirama occupied long enough for Nagato to find a way to escape the genjutsu...............

 

[Rovian]

Nagato was a fast ninja before his legs were burned:
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Yet, Edo Nagato was fully healthy "non-burned" legs, and lacked the mobility according to Kabuto.

His speed is fine imo, but I wouldn't give him 5/5 in speed, 3/5 would be his speed according to what we've seen in the Manga.

 

[Out Of Ctrl]

did i ever say it doesnt get absorbed. no never but he can get hit if he is blind which means he would gets caught off guard and we have seen that happen. he still his options to give a killing blow when he is blind which include taijutsu, his swords.

Lol thats the whole thing if his Mokuton cant even get Nagato, seeing as it will get absorbred, what would Hashirama do? Nothing as we havent seen any other abilities so far. Therefore even in Bringer of Darkness, Nagato doesnt have to do anything but have Human and Preta Path activated. Asura Path as well for mechanic defences from any weapons.

To be honest like others have mentioned before, a Shinra Tensei will be enough to knock Hashirama out of concentration for Bringer of Darkness, breaking it. Or use Chibaku Tensei, seeing as its a black sphere it would perfectly blend in with Bringer of Darkness.

Hashirama looses because his known abilities so far can all be countered by Nagato.

 

[warlee]

yes but do u understand that if he is blind his biggest weakness. he got hit by totsuka how becos he did not see it he could have used one shinra tensei but he couldn't simply becos of his disadvantage in sight
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he can still use his tech inside it. I don't see how hashirama would survive a fatal shinra tensei which have zero warning sign even kakashi don't know what hit him even though he has the sharingan, hashirama won't see shinra comin so he won't be able to guard himself meaning he would be hit dispeling the genjutsu.

 

[Rovian]

Also, Hashirama is a well known Shinobi for his powerful sealing Jutsu's, so I wouldn't think Nagato summons would stand a chance against it, he can bind them and seal them right away..

 

[arv993]

Yes but see I don't think there will be a situation where Nagato gets caught off guard. As I already said, even in Bringer-of-darkness technique SHinra or Chibaku Tensei will keep Hashirama occupied long enough for Nagato to find a way to escape the genjutsu...............

shinra tensei is a fast justsu and it occupies time from nagato too and just require defense from hashi. CT would kill hashi if it was big but when it starts off a small sphere i doubt hashi would have a terrible time beating it seeing how powerful and fast his jutsus are. and CT also takes time from nagato also he is occupied with it also he is not really buying much time. Both sides would lose a lot of chakra out of those attacks too.