Clearing up the confusion on who the strongest Hokage is......

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Even if you point out that Iruka could have some bias or that characters that have stated this don't know anything, Kishimoto himself says in every databook that Hiruzen in his prime was the most powerful Hokage. In the first databook alone, this is stated at least three times:

Page 117: "He is such a genius ninja that he was even called the 'Professor', and he still garners everyone's respect as the strongest Hokage in history." (「„プロフェッサー”と呼ばれたほ� �� ��の天才忍者であり、歴代最強の�� �影 として皆の尊敬を集め続ける。」, "'Purofessā' to yobareta hodo no tensai ninja de ari, rekidai saikyō no Hokage toshite mina no sonkei o atsume tsuzukeru")

Page 119: "'Strongest in history', 'genius', et cetera, the words used to describe the Third Hokage are filled with respect." (「„歴代最強”„天才”など、三代� �� ��火影を形容する言葉は賞賛に満�� �て いる。」, "'Rekidai saikyō' 'tensai' nado, Sandaime Hokage o keiyōsuru kotoba wa shōsan ni michite iru.")

Page 265: "The Third is called the strongest, even among the past Hokage, and he is even admired as the 'God of Shinobi'." (「三代目は歴代火影の中でも最強と� �� ��われ、„忍の神”と謳われたこ�� �も 。」, "Sandaime wa rekidai Hokage no naka demo saikyō to iware, 'Shinobi no Kami' to utawareta koto mo")

Being old=/= being irrelevant. Both the 2nd AND the 3rd databook state the same thing.

I know alot of you don't want to accept it because you've only seen the old man version (which i'll admit would lose to Minato probably), but in his prime he was said to have surpassed his predessors and was known as the 'God of Shinobi'.

The fact is, even at the age of 69 Hiruzen was still able to hold his own against edo Hashirama and Tobirama, not to mention Orochimaru. Add to that the fact he still had enough in the tank to use Death reaper jutsu on himself and 2 other shadow clones. This at age 69.
 

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1. Hashirama - being an original wood user, he can tame tailed beasts
2. Hiruzen - even when not in prime, can go one on one with Tobirama and Hashirama but cannot tame a tailed beast, has the monkey king Enma
3. Tobirama - a powerful water release user, has knowledge on forbidden jutsus
4. Tsunade - legendary Sannin
5. Minato - not as strong as the 4 older hokages but uses techniques very efficiently
 

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Even if you point out that Iruka could have some bias or that characters that have stated this don't know anything, Kishimoto himself says in every databook that Hiruzen in his prime was the most powerful Hokage. In the first databook alone, this is stated at least three times:

Page 117: "He is such a genius ninja that he was even called the 'Professor', and he still garners everyone's respect as the strongest Hokage in history." (「„プロフェッサー”と呼ばれたほ� �� ��の天才忍者であり、歴代最強の�� �影 として皆の尊敬を集め続ける。」, "'Purofessā' to yobareta hodo no tensai ninja de ari, rekidai saikyō no Hokage toshite mina no sonkei o atsume tsuzukeru")

Page 119: "'Strongest in history', 'genius', et cetera, the words used to describe the Third Hokage are filled with respect." (「„歴代最強”„天才”など、三代� �� ��火影を形容する言葉は賞賛に満�� �て いる。」, "'Rekidai saikyō' 'tensai' nado, Sandaime Hokage o keiyōsuru kotoba wa shōsan ni michite iru.")

Page 265: "The Third is called the strongest, even among the past Hokage, and he is even admired as the 'God of Shinobi'." (「三代目は歴代火影の中でも最強と� �� ��われ、„忍の神”と謳われたこ�� �も 。」, "Sandaime wa rekidai Hokage no naka demo saikyō to iware, 'Shinobi no Kami' to utawareta koto mo")

Being old=/= being irrelevant. Both the 2nd AND the 3rd databook state the same thing.

I know alot of you don't want to accept it because you've only seen the old man version (which i'll admit would lose to Minato probably), but in his prime he was said to have surpassed his predessors and was known as the 'God of Shinobi'.

The fact is, even at the age of 69 Hiruzen was still able to hold his own against edo Hashirama and Tobirama, not to mention Orochimaru. Add to that the fact he still had enough in the tank to use Death reaper jutsu on himself and 2 other shadow clones. This at age 69.
What's the difference between a prime Hiruzen and the old Hiruzen? The old hiruzen can do every jutsu the prime can. The only difference is the speed and strength..I'll give him both 5 in this category, fact still remains that he can't counter FTG..give me feats showing hiruzen moves that damn fast that can outshine Minato or any jutsu he had that can counter FTG..I bet you can't because he showed us less than 10 jutsus so far and most of them are B-rank jutsu...

Are you talking about this prime Hiruzen?

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From the looks of it, they are running from the 20 Kumo bounty hunters. 7 of them including the 2nd Hokage, Danzo, and the so called prime hiruzen...what a surprise..what they can think of is an ambush..wow..

Okay then..Check what Minato had to show...

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50 men killed in a blink of an eye..as I've told you, it only took Minato 6-8 millisecond to kill a single shinobi from that squad..

Try to compare the prime hiruzen with danzo and 2nd hokage avoiding 20 nins to Minato killing all 50 in just a blink of an eye....

Is that the true power of the prime hiruzen you're talking about? that 20 nins would be a childs play for Minato...disagree? refer to the scan above to clear your mind...

By the way, if you're saying that Hiruzen knows plenty of jutsu, so is Minato.

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Here you go..Iruka saying that hiruzen was the said to be the strongest unfortunately he uses PAST TENSE. Hiruzen himself said that. You know what that means right?

Talking about Kishimoto, here is what he had to say:

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i disagree, with hiruzen, he only used earth and fire element jutsu. I agree he's strong but hashirama is ahead, before he comes, so
1 hashirama
2 hiruzen , then the others come.
 

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I love how this guys ignored my posts. I was waiting for someone to have a good counter...Where are you guys? Check my post #305. You need hype, I'll give you hypes..You need feats, I'll give you feats....
 

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What's the difference between a prime Hiruzen and the old Hiruzen? The old hiruzen can do every jutsu the prime can. The only difference is the speed and strength..I'll give him both 5 in this category, fact still remains that he can't counter FTG..give me feats showing hiruzen moves that damn fast that can outshine Minato or any jutsu he had that can counter FTG..I bet you can't because he showed us less than 10 jutsus so far and most of them are B-rank jutsu...

Are you talking about this prime Hiruzen?

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From the looks of it, they are running from the 20 Kumo bounty hunters. 7 of them including the 2nd Hokage, Danzo, and the so called prime hiruzen...what a surprise..what they can think of is an ambush..wow..

Okay then..Check what Minato had to show...

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50 men killed in a blink of an eye..as I've told you, it only took Minato 6-8 millisecond to kill a single shinobi from that squad..

Try to compare the prime hiruzen with danzo and 2nd hokage avoiding 20 nins to Minato killing all 50 in just a blink of an eye....

Is that the true power of the prime hiruzen you're talking about? that 20 nins would be a childs play for Minato...disagree? refer to the scan above to clear your mind...

By the way, if you're saying that Hiruzen knows plenty of jutsu, so is Minato.

Proof:

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Another thing. I know you'll like this..

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Here you go..Iruka saying that hiruzen was the said to be the strongest unfortunately he uses PAST TENSE. Hiruzen himself said that. You know what that means right?

Talking about Kishimoto, here is what he had to say:

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and that sarutobi when his intitled to become hokage is OLDER than minato. why? because when kakashi is being nominated as a hokage at 30 they told he was too young but the others say the fourth is younger. so hiruzen would be 30+...... man where is this that they called PRIME? lol

+rep. good post are ignored when they cant counter
 
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*sigh* this thread is still going. Actually making a good laugh, how much ridden some posts are with mistakes. Good thing i couldnt be bothered any more with these things
 

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@ BloodSeed you still havent realised it yet have you?. Whilst you are clearly infatuated with me for whatever reasons, ive never taken an interest in you or what nonsense you post. Would be a good idea for you to take your fascination elsewhere because ive little interest in you. Your infatuation is one sided U_U
 

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@ BloodSeed you still havent realised it yet have you?. Whilst you are clearly infatuated with me for whatever reasons, ive never taken an interest in you or what nonsense you post. Would be a good idea for you to take your fascination elsewhere because ive little interest in you. Your infatuation is one sided U_U

:rofl: your imagining that im infatuated in you????? you must be really GAY to think of that :rofl: go away loser
 
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id like to see you actually try and debate on blaze releases level

although you would look stupider then you allready look
making other account to HUMBLE your self doesnt work :rofl:

at whats age HIRUZEN'S PRIME? that 57 year old sarutobi is clearly below minato when the ninetails attacked. jiraiya is 54. 57 years old is not much old if you look at onooki
 
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@ Bloodseed Not interested in flame or an internet war, therefore ill let you have your fun online by yourself. Myabe somebody will entertain you online. Clearly the idea of quoting me at every opportunity isnt infatuation?. I just brush you aside and label your post nonsense, hardly ever reply. Even look now, you arent worth quoting.

As for you calling me gay, lmao. Thats all that has to be said to some random dude online U_U
You shouldnt get happy that im relying to you since youve gone through this much trouble to get my attention, but you see, this is my last reply to you
 
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thats a bit pathetic.

don't you think. if you so certain that im his alt get A admin down here and do an IP comprison.

im a new member but been a guest long enough ive seen posts from you and many others.
and i have a firm grasp of the reatrds and the intelligent people.

as for you, you need to get off minatos d*ck

you are new and you said you wanna here us debate? :rofl: come on liar
 

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and that sarutobi when his intitled to become hokage is OLDER than minato. why? because when kakashi is being nominated as a hokage at 30 they told he was too young but the others say the fourth is younger. so hiruzen would be 30+...... man where is this that they called PRIME? lol

+rep. good post are ignored when they cant counter
Thanks..I don't know what PRIME means to them. Are they referring to when hiruzen was young or the time when he's at his peak. The only difference between the prime and old is only speed and strength.

this is funny considering minato needed to get his wife to restrain the nine tails.

and yet minato still lost against the beast
If you don't mind, how did Minato lose to Kurama? It was self sacrifice to maintain the balance of the tailed beasts. If Minato is that selfish, then he would not have died. As what Jiraiya and Tsunade said, Minato would never do something without a reason.
 

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To stop EMS Madara. Hashirama defeated a shinobi of this level by himself, who also had Kyuubi. Minato couldn't kill Tobi, merely injuring him. Tobi also had only a 3 tomoe sharingan. How can you now compare Hashirama to Minato?

FTG is not an uncounterable jutsu. You're speculating that Hashirama doesn't have a counter to a flying Kunai. Do you know every single jutsu Hashirama has? At least I offered a jutsu from Hiruzen that could counter FTG v2.

I think everyone herer will accept Hashirama > Minato, you seem to be the only one.............
you're showing me a fire technique which was countered by a dozen FODDER ninja? seriously?

yeah, minato didn't kill tobi. because he had the kyuubi ravaging the village to deal with also, it you hadn't noticed. it was practically 1 second away from blowing up konoha. Minato defeated Tobi, who also has a hax ability. and with just 3 tomoes he was still able to control a perfect jinchuuriki and make the kyuubi his pet like madara.

plus, hashirama didn't kill madara either? does that take anything away from him? not at all. the fact is that ems madara, apart from having a very strong fire jutsu and susanoo, didn't show anything that great before the meteor, against a battalion which was run ragged already. no doubt he's actually quite a bit stronger than that, but I think many people agree that his ems feats were quite pathetic.

i don't know all of hashirama's jutsu. we also don't know all of minato's justsu. so let's start giving hashirama attributes which haven't been shown, because he MUST have something which can counter ftg, even if no one else has. what a lame argument.

plus, your 'counter' for ftg sucks, as i've already demonstrated. Minato's kunai are heavier than normal kunai and definitely heavier than shuriken, and as such can't be easily deflected. furthermore, minato spreads his kunai over a wide range whereas that jutsu works in a linear fashion. at that point, sarutobi's counter is dead and buried because minato can teleport to any kunai he wants to attack hiruzen, so unless hiruzen can spam that technique in all directions it's useless. deflecting the kunai is not a valid counter at all.

I also gave you 3 valid counters for ftg, which you ignored as you have all my arguments. Hiruzen has only one (if in his prime he had speed comparable to minato, or at least not completely outclassed), Hashirama might have another. From what is shown, it's highly unlikely he can hit Minato with mokuton though.

anyway, one last try. being more powerful does not always mean being stronger. as for hype, hashirama was called a fairy tale, hiruzen was the god of shinobi, minato was called unsurpassable. they all have great hype. i'm out.
 
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