[Theory] Hashirama isn't the peak !!

[Artha4]

Hashirama bested madara at his EMS leval. So, he's probably at a little bit higher level than a EMS uchiha. If you consider the activation of a rinnegan for a uchiha, the level difference would be very huge(though the rinnegan activation process is still not yet revealed). It is quite possible that it has something to do with madara wanting a portion of hashirama's strength.

Both Senjuu & Uchiha are equal polar opposites(equally strong light & darkness). If there is a rinnegan level for uchiha, there has to be an equal level for senjuu too, right?

If hashirama is at that level while fighting EMS madara, then he would have owned madara like there is no tomorrow for madara.

Now if we stop and think, what could possibly be the level of a senjuu that rivals the rinnegan leval of a uchiha. It leads to many possibilities.

It might even be related to beasts like EMS grants you control over kyuubi, it might even be the path that naruto is traversing right now(having all bijuu's chakra).

You can say naruto's strength is close to hashirama's. For ex., hashirama's jukai koutan can be easily smothered by naruto's chakra mode without using all those rasengans as before.

What do you guys think?

 

[dareak]

Kishimoto has been so bad with the Senju, they don't really have any powers. You can't say Mokuton because only Hashirama had that. I don't like the way he promoted the Uchiha so much and left the Senju with nothing.

 

[Mejkl3]

Senjus were specializated in many techniques like the sarutobi clan

Theres still no proof that EMS>Rinnegan

 

[KAGE RYUU]

hashirama defeated madra with ems and the ninetails at the same time so u can think what u want but even rinnegan madra would get wrecked by hashirama as half of the nine tails defeated pain who had the rinnegan so i say again hashiram defeated madra ems and full powered nintails

 

[Bijuu13]

@dareak is right . kishi should have given the senju some sort of inherited power up or something . i know they represent the body, chakra, and strong will n all but none of the senju seem to have some sorta consistent technique like the uchiha with there sharingan

 

[Flame Alchemist]

Senjus were specializated in many techniques like the sarutobi clan

Theres still no proof that EMS>Rinnegan

no proof? are you serious?

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[Mejkl3]

no proof? are you serious?

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Wow. U forgot to show a side wher someone says exactly that EMS can devolp into Rinnegan. btw Madara is over the kage level and an edo now :/

 

[KAGE RYUU]

no proof? are you serious?

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all that proves is that each eye has its own benifits not wich one is better

 

[dareak]

I'm just gonna throw in a cool fact. You guys know how the older brother, the Uchiha ancestor, inherited the power of the Sage's eyes.

Well guess what?

The Sage had the Rinnegan.

The older brother, the Uchiha ancestor, didn't have the Rinnegan OR the Sharingan. He had this beauty:

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Notice that it is the same as the symbol of the Uzumaki clan, coincidence?

 

[psukkar]

but we need to ask ourselves could madara have gotten this far without hasihrama's powers? I dont think he would.


Thats why I think hasihrama is the man.

I think the only other persion u can say was stronger was the so6p because they were his powers that made him great.

You know what i mean.

 

[SplittingAtoms]

Senju bloodline-relation is the key to a perfect jinchuriki, at least according to the story, hence Kushina Uzumaki, because of her bloodline, was brought to be the 9-tails jinchuuriki.

How come the Uchihas never were the jinchuurikis? probably because they aren't suited for having the beast internally inside of them, but instead controlling the chakra beasts externally.

The ultimate peak of the Senju is becoming the 10-tailed Jinchuuriki, this is the way for Naruto to overcome Hashirama and become the perfect body Senju jinchuuriki, it's something an Uchiha can't achieve unless he is also a Senju. (Which Tobi happens to be by the way.)

 

[Nocturnus]

I'm just gonna throw in a cool fact. You guys know how the older brother, the Uchiha ancestor, inherited the power of the Sage's eyes.

Well guess what?

The Sage had the Rinnegan.

The older brother, the Uchiha ancestor, didn't have the Rinnegan OR the Sharingan. He had this beauty:

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Notice that it is the same as the symbol of the Uzumaki clan, coincidence?

it sorta looks like a byakugan with a swirl pattern

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[Artha4]

it sorta looks like a byakugan with a swirl pattern

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Yeah, sort of. This heading of the story will be pretty interesting.

 

[EternalMangekyouRinnegan]

all that proves is that each eye has its own benifits not wich one is better

Kabuto specificly asked Madara to show him his prime which is the rinnegan. Kabuto called rinnegan "the legendary UCHIHA power". He wasn't interested in ms nor ems.

Madara got owned with ems by Hashi, he got owned with ems by allience. What more proof do you need?

 

[psukkar]

Kabuto specificly asked Madara to show him his prime which is the rinnegan. Kabuto called rinnegan "the legendary UCHIHA power". He wasn't interested in ms nor ems.

Madara got owned with ems by Hashi, he got owned with ems by allience. What more proof do you need?

the problem with ur story is that madara fough to gain hasihrama;s powers and awoke the rinnegan sometime later as he knows of nagato.

So the rinnegan seems to be a by product of senju + uchiha, but nagato got the rinnegan and hes related to the senju.

And after madara showed the rinngean, kabuto summised madara took hasihrama's power during their fight at the valley of the end.


Its very hard to say what the connection madara has with the rinnegan becausew as we all know the older son didnt get the rinnegan either.

So we need to ask ourselfs what did madara have over the older son?
Madara has hasihrama's dna, ie the younger son's dna.

We need madara himself to reveal more his past to know whats going on.

 

[Kurama2012]

Kishimoto has been so bad with the Senju, they don't really have any powers. You can't say Mokuton because only Hashirama had that. I don't like the way he promoted the Uchiha so much and left the Senju with nothing.

but thats the great thing about senju that they dont need an eye technique they have sheer will power and belief in there own techniques and if senju had some technique that they all shared then they wouldn't be thjat opposite to uchiha dont forget senju are stronger than uchiha so i believe senjus ability is to excel in there techniques better than others like hashirama creating his own kekkai genkai wood release, tobirama being the best water user as he could create wtaer from anywhere which i believe is what his spacetime jutsu involves, and tsunade (not being full senju but she is part uzumaki) she excels in medical jutsu and the senju are supposed to be a mystery

 

[Crimsonsamurai4]

Well they get the better technique with the other clan's DNA. What if a Senju combined his own DNA with Uchiha DNA?

 

[KAGE RYUU]

Kabuto specificly asked Madara to show him his prime which is the rinnegan. Kabuto called rinnegan "the legendary UCHIHA power". He wasn't interested in ms nor ems.

Madara got owned with ems by Hashi, he got owned with ems by allience. What more proof do you need?

ems and rinnegan is not about proof its about that they both have benifits a neither is really better then the other

ems has all the abilities of the sharingan wich is reading and oredicting movement copying jutsu and influencing the enemy like kakasi vs zabuza then it has amaterasu and tsyukuomi and susano and with susano u can use the magatama move used by itachi it has amaterasu bullets and more that sasuke hasnt even shown yet

and rinnegan can absorb jutsu and attract and repel the opponent it has linked vision wich dosnt help really if its used by jus one person but still its a bonus u can suck out souls if u can get ur hands on them long enough but its not instant tech as shown with tobi vs naruto it can summon but so can everyone else the only reason nagato summons had rinnegan was because they also had chakra rods so the summons must be preped but if they are bonus it can revive ppl who were dead a short time but again if the user is one person and dies it dosnt help at all

so as u can plainly see they both have bonuses and if u cant see that then ur jus a fanboy of the rinnegan also notice a few of the rinnegans moves arnt that helpful if ur using it jus by urself and not the the 6 paths of pain which is how madara is using it

 

[polleteke]

Well they get the better technique with the other clan's DNA. What if a Senju combined his own DNA with Uchiha DNA?

Rinnegan??

 

[Flame Alchemist]

Wow. U forgot to show a side wher someone says exactly that EMS can devolp into Rinnegan. btw Madara is over the kage level and an edo now :/

what did you get from "what awaits you when you progress beyond sharingan is rinnegan"?