[Theory] Madara killed Mü, not the 2nd Mizukage.

[Escorpiius]

Interesting.

Well, it's a bit of a complex situation but if I were to try provide a theory, I'd say that Mizukage still killed him.

Muu and Onoki surely fought Madara at that time but perhaps, after a fierce combat, Muu intelligently used his Splitting Technique. Onoki was left alone since Muu perhaps preferred to save his life. We don't really know if he was already Kage at the time he met Madara; so he might have chosen the escape route.

Once, Madara left, he perhaps went back to the village with Onoki. His fight with 2nd Mizu ensued later on where they both died. There seems to be indeed a little sarcasm when Edo Muu told Edo Mizu that they indeed died together. Surely, because Muu was left with his half his power ever since that event with Madara.

Well, we can speculate but the most likely situation will be that in some way, he indeed died at the hand of 2nd Mizukage.

 

[Kuroi Honoo]

I voted for Madara killing him as it seems the most plausible seeing as Mu's fight against the Mizukage ended in a supposed double death and it appears as though the Mizukage died first before he could confirm Mu's death. However, Mu could have survived and later died against Madara which would prevent the plot hole that has surfaced lol

 

[Hawker]

However, how can Madara have killed Mü, when the 2nd Mizukage killed him?;

You yourself answer to your own question bro. As for now, that is all we know about it and even Mu has confirmed it to be true himself.

But it's an interesting theory as it would in fact seem that the place in the two scenes is the same. I'm not so sure about the time though. I guess we'll wait to find out what happened after two of them met Madara.

I voted for Madara killing him as it seems the most plausible seeing as Mu's fight against the Mizukage ended in a supposed double death and it appears as though the Mizukage died first before he could confirm Mu's death. However, Mu could have survived and later died against Madara which would prevent the plot hole that has surfaced lol

Well Mu himself confirmed what Mizukage claimed in that first link Michael provided.

 

[Michael92]

I voted for Madara killing him as it seems the most plausible seeing as Mu's fight against the Mizukage ended in a supposed double death and it appears as though the Mizukage died first before he could confirm Mu's death. However, Mu could have survived and later died against Madara which would prevent the plot hole that has surfaced lol

Mhm yeah, but I've actually started to disregard my own theory after thinking some through it xd See my reply to Escorp below...

You yourself answer to your own question bro. As for now, that is all we know about it and even Mu has confirmed it to be true himself.

But it's an interesting theory as it would in fact seem that the place in the two scenes is the same. I'm not so sure about the time though. I guess we'll wait to find out what happened after two of them met Madara.



Well Mu himself confirmed what Mizukage claimed in that first link Michael provided.

That was a rhetorical question bro :|xd I stated the point of questioning that myself in the line under the link I provided. To me, it seemed like Mu was sarcastically saying yes.

Well if we only knew the "time stamps" of those two events it would be easier, though I think I've come up with a counter theory below in my reply to Escorp xD

Interesting.

Well, it's a bit of a complex situation but if I were to try provide a theory, I'd say that Mizukage still killed him.

Muu and Onoki surely fought Madara at that time but perhaps, after a fierce combat, Muu intelligently used his Splitting Technique. Onoki was left alone since Muu perhaps preferred to save his life. We don't really know if he was already Kage at the time he met Madara; so he might have chosen the escape route.

Once, Madara left, he perhaps went back to the village with Onoki. His fight with 2nd Mizu ensued later on where they both died. There seems to be indeed a little sarcasm when Edo Muu told Edo Mizu that they indeed died together. Surely, because Muu was left with his half his power ever since that event with Madara.

Well, we can speculate but the most likely situation will be that in some way, he indeed died at the hand of 2nd Mizukage.

Or it could have been the other way around. Mü could have used the splitting ability in the fight with the 2nd Mizukage, only to die later in the fight with Madara...

I was thinking through it all sometime after posting this thread yesterday, and there is one point that bugs me a little for this theory of mine to hold truth.
As far as I know, Konoha was suppose to be the first village, right?
Meaning, that the other villages hadn't been formed yet, or they were formed shortly thereafter. But seeing Madara still in Konoha when that scene with Mü and Onoki, it makes me think that Madara stayed in Konoha for quite some time, maybe even after Hashirama became the first hokage. Only to leave and challenge him some time later. Why?

In the scene from the latest chapter where we get to see the 1st Tsuchikage talking to Onoki, Onoki exclaims that they should have had kage monuments engraved in a mountain like konoha too. This confirms that Hashirama has become Hokage, but the event of Onoki, Mü and Madara takes place after this scene, judging from how the panels are organized, meaning, Mü wasn't kage yet, like you said, and Madara hadn't left Konoha yet, as shown by him wearing the Konoha mark.

If so, then that most likely means it was still the first generation of kages, and that Mü and the 2nd Mizukage hasn't become kages yet.
Labeling this event before Mü vs 2nd Mizukage. Meaning Madara couldn't have killed him, unless, the 1st Tsuchikage and 1st Mizukage died right away, before Hashirama fought Madara, making them the shortest lived kages to date. Not only that, but Mü would already have killed the 2nd Mizukage, making the 3rd Mizukage claiming the kage title before Madara fought Hashirama:shrug:

And that would be very strange considering their villages were formed after Konoha. In that case, Hashirama must have become kage either very, very late, having both him and Madara as village leaders for sometime, which then again crashes with Onoki talking about the Hokage monument, or right away, but Madara didn't leave the village before way later. In other words, Madara was fine with Hashirama being Hokage for some years, before something happened and he started to hold a real grudge against him and he left...

One other thing that seems to flaw this theory, in the scene with Onoki and Madara, Mü had two swords on his back, but when he was resurrected, he didn't have them. One could only speculate whether he should have been resurrected with them or not, if he had them at the time of his death, but judging from how some of the other resurrected ninjas had their weapons when they were resurrected, it would be safe to say that Mü should have had them as well, if he had them at the time of his death. Which it seems like he didn't, so that's one way you could say that his fight with Madara, together with Onoki took place way earlier...

Anyways, what ever happened to Mü in this fight? Did he split? Was he badly hurt off screen? Did he flee?... One could only speculate, but I think I just proved my own theory falsexd

 

[Hawker]

That was a rhetorical question bro :|xd I stated the point of questioning that myself in the line under the link I provided. To me, it seemed like Mu was sarcastically saying yes.

Yeah I know it was, but as it's own sentence it stands correct and that's why I found it ironical that it was actually the answer to your own question although it was not your purpose ;D

And yea it could've been like that but then again I can't really tell from just a picture whether it's sarcasm or not. Not like I heard him saying it with "yea dawg you really did kill me suuuure" accent xd

 

[Michael92]

Yeah I know it was, but as it's own sentence it stands correct and that's why I found it ironical that it was actually the answer to your own question although it was not your purpose ;D

And yea it could've been like that but then again I can't really tell from just a picture whether it's sarcasm or not. Not like I heard him saying it with "yea dawg you really did kill me suuuure" accent xd

Yeah truexd

Haha:lmao

All in all, I think my counter theory proved this theory false anyways though.

 

[Dean-Winchester]

he probally used his split technique where he got killed by both mizukage and madara

 

[Dean-Winchester]

Mhm yeah, but I've actually started to disregard my own theory after thinking some through it xd See my reply to Escorp below...



That was a rhetorical question bro :|xd I stated the point of questioning that myself in the line under the link I provided. To me, it seemed like Mu was sarcastically saying yes.

Well if we only knew the "time stamps" of those two events it would be easier, though I think I've come up with a counter theory below in my reply to Escorp xD





Or it could have been the other way around. Mü could have used the splitting ability in the fight with the 2nd Mizukage, only to die later in the fight with Madara...

I was thinking through it all sometime after posting this thread yesterday, and there is one point that bugs me a little for this theory of mine to hold truth.
As far as I know, Konoha was suppose to be the first village, right?
Meaning, that the other villages hadn't been formed yet, or they were formed shortly thereafter. But seeing Madara still in Konoha when that scene with Mü and Onoki, it makes me think that Madara stayed in Konoha for quite some time, maybe even after Hashirama became the first hokage. Only to leave and challenge him some time later. Why?

In the scene from the latest chapter where we get to see the 1st Tsuchikage talking to Onoki, Onoki exclaims that they should have had kage monuments engraved in a mountain like konoha too. This confirms that Hashirama has become Hokage, but the event of Onoki, Mü and Madara takes place after this scene, judging from how the panels are organized, meaning, Mü wasn't kage yet, like you said, and Madara hadn't left Konoha yet, as shown by him wearing the Konoha mark.

If so, then that most likely means it was still the first generation of kages, and that Mü and the 2nd Mizukage hasn't become kages yet.
Labeling this event before Mü vs 2nd Mizukage. Meaning Madara couldn't have killed him, unless, the 1st Tsuchikage and 1st Mizukage died right away, before Hashirama fought Madara, making them the shortest lived kages to date. Not only that, but Mü would already have killed the 2nd Mizukage, making the 3rd Mizukage claiming the kage title before Madara fought Hashirama:shrug:

And that would be very strange considering their villages were formed after Konoha. In that case, Hashirama must have become kage either very, very late, having both him and Madara as village leaders for sometime, which then again crashes with Onoki talking about the Hokage monument, or right away, but Madara didn't leave the village before way later. In other words, Madara was fine with Hashirama being Hokage for some years, before something happened and he started to hold a real grudge against him and he left...

One other thing that seems to flaw this theory, in the scene with Onoki and Madara, Mü had two swords on his back, but when he was resurrected, he didn't have them. One could only speculate whether he should have been resurrected with them or not, if he had them at the time of his death, but judging from how some of the other resurrected ninjas had their weapons when they were resurrected, it would be safe to say that Mü should have had them as well, if he had them at the time of his death. Which it seems like he didn't, so that's one way you could say that his fight with Madara, together with Onoki took place way earlier...

Anyways, what ever happened to Mü in this fight? Did he split? Was he badly hurt off screen? Did he flee?... One could only speculate, but I think I just proved my own theory falsexd

oh u said it already

 

[Michael92]

he probally used his split technique where he got killed by both mizukage and madara

So he died two times.... Hmm....

oh u said it already

And you double posted o__O But I guess my counter theory holds more truth than my first one xd

 

[Necron]

hmmm... I dunno really, but it's interesting...

 

[mdonn10]

search madara uchiha and Read under the Tools list part it says that madara fought onoki and mu and defeated them both not sure if he killed mu but thought id just say this, i would have linked it but cant post links for some reason.