madara and hashirama

[arv993]

ok we know now that hashirama is very strong and as i suspected the best hokage. Idk why hiruzen was considered to be the best whatever.

We kno that hashirama is stated to be the strongest ninja so far and only ems madara ever came close. But what about rinnegan madara how can kabuto make such a bold claim when madara later gained such a power. What do you guys think on this matter

 

[dolama]

Hashirama was stronger than Madara before Madara's death

 

[Uchiha Prophet]

well.. :| how do we truly know he got the rinnengan by himself. and if it wsnt for the first he would still only have EMS :shrug:
SO lets say he didnt have hashirama's FACE in his chest..

Hashirama > Madara

 

[-S-]

because he is a recent kage, but hashirama is a legend and not many people remember his powers just like the rikudou sennin

 

[dolama]

well.. :| how do we truly know he got the rinnengan by himself. and if it wsnt for the first he would still only have EMS :shrug:
SO lets say he didnt have hashirama's FACE in his chest..

Hashirama > Madara

it's not Hashirama's DNa that gave him Rinnegan. He got it thru unknown means. Senju+Uchiha only gives you Izanagi

 

[arv993]

because he is a recent kage, but hashirama is a legend and not many people remember his powers just like the rikudou sennin

that is true ppl can forget this over times especially the younger generations

 

[arv993]

it's not Hashirama's DNa that gave him Rinnegan. He got it thru unknown means. Senju+Uchiha only gives you Izanagi

its never stated that senju dna is essential for rinnegan. All we know is that rinnegan comes after ems. And he probably learned the secret through the tablet

 

[Ninpou]

Madara was most likely more powerful than Hashi before his death.

 

[Uchiha Madara.]

well.. :| how do we truly know he got the rinnengan by himself. and if it wsnt for the first he would still only have EMS :shrug:
SO lets say he didnt have hashirama's FACE in his chest..

Hashirama > Madara

Madara said it himself that he obtained the rinnegan
so yea hashirama > ems madara but rinnegan madara > hashirama

 

[phantomlord22]

We've seen madara Stronger than hashirama... but Talks about their fight and considering that hashirama won that thing and now what kabuto said is kina confusing me

 

[Akatsuki wise guy]

he probab;y needed senju dna as the only person we know who had his own rinnegan was sage and he had both dna. madara rinnegan is nagato and tobi so it is technically one pair and he needed the dna.

 

[arv993]

he probab;y needed senju dna as the only person we know who had his own rinnegan was sage and he had both dna. madara rinnegan is nagato and tobi so it is technically one pair and he needed the dna.

idk on this. the whole thing isnt clear. my thoughts are and i am not saying one way or the other but just playing devil's advocate here.

why does madara need senju dna to unlock the rinnegan which is the powers of the eye where as senju is the exact opposite and allows the power of the sage's body. sure madara and tobi want it to make them selves close to the sage as possible but i dont see it having to be a requirement for the rinnegan. But you never know naruto is full of surprises

Nothing is final so who knows

 

[shanee]

madara is better than hashirama. even though madara lost to him, i think that madara let him win for some reason. maybe its because he knew that if he won, his clan would hate him for disobeying them in the end.

or maybe im wrong because madara is so cool that i can face the fact that hashirama is straight up better than madara. what do you think?

 

[Ambriel]

Hashirama died before madara got rinnegan, so madara never got the chance to really own hashi

 

[arv993]

madara is better than hashirama. even though madara lost to him, i think that madara let him win for some reason. maybe its because he knew that if he won, his clan would hate him for disobeying them in the end.

or maybe im wrong because madara is so cool that i can face the fact that hashirama is straight up better than madara. what do you think?

wtf dude no madara is not better sure they were close and were rivals but hashirama> madara ems. i really doubt madara really letting him win. But i do want to see the fight important things happened b4 and after the fight. so many questions like how madara still lived after the fight and all that.

 

[shanee]

wtf dude no madara is not better sure they were close and were rivals but hashirama> madara ems. i really doubt madara really letting him win. But i do want to see the fight important things happened b4 and after the fight. so many questions like how madara still lived after the fight and all that.

i think madara made a clone of himself giving him the cone some of his chakra making madara weaker than he was at his best thus allowing hashirama to beat him. after that, his clone lives while everyone thought he died. there is another theory for ya. and then he would be somewhat telling the truth when tobi said he was madara.

 

[Easyfathom]

I think it was for the story at the start. Clearly the 1st is the best, I find he is anyway. Mainly since he, well founded the hidden leaf

 

[arv993]

i think madara made a clone of himself giving him the cone some of his chakra making madara weaker than he was at his best thus allowing hashirama to beat him. after that, his clone lives while everyone thought he died. there is another theory for ya. and then he would be somewhat telling the truth when tobi said he was madara.

i doubt it but who knows

 

[Ryuu..]

i think madara made a clone of himself giving him the cone some of his chakra making madara weaker than he was at his best thus allowing hashirama to beat him. after that, his clone lives while everyone thought he died. there is another theory for ya. and then he would be somewhat telling the truth when tobi said he was madara.

*sigh*

You need to accept that Hashirama bettered Madara. The end.

 

[Cambull3562]

i think Madara let him win because during the fight he got some of Hashirama's DNA, since he couldn't complete his plan in one lifetime he needed it to prolong his life, so he either pretended to die or had a clone or something but he did get away, sometime after that he awakened the Rinnegan through unknown means,and later after that he supposedly died. Buttt, what if he didn't? what if he used some kind of jutsu like Orochimaru and or Hidan and is immortal?? Honestly i dont know who he is but i have a feeling its Madara..or a form of him. Oh yeah i dont know who created zetzu the Real Madara or Tobi but White Zetzu was made out of Hashiramas DNA and black zetzu was made out of Madaras DNA. Can anyone confirm this?? and also i read somewhere that while Madara was alive He knew about Tobi and that he used to call himself madara back then too