The power of the Senju Clan explained (Third Hokage prime explained throroughly)

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The power of the Senju Clan explained.

[/U][/U]Blood of the Senju, Body of the Sage

The purpose of this thread

Why were the Senju Clan so strong? What abilities did they posses?
I will show you how inheriting the Sage's life force, physical energy and body influenced the abilities of the Senju clan and provide evidence to why the Sannin, Third Hokage, and Naruto are so strong. I will also provide evidence on what Orochimaru said was true and about the Third Hokage in his prime might have been thee strongest Hokage but lost all his powers due to old age.

Disclaimer:
It's partly theory but most of it is just clarification.




As you know the Senju are descandants of the Sage's younger heir. The heir was gifted with the sage's Body, Life force and physical energy which the Senju inherited.

In naruto, physical stamina is converted into chakra.


Also physical stamina helps regulate chakra
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The way to pull off techniques in Naruto is that you first have to have the amount of physical stamina and spiritual energy to build up enough chakra to perform the technique:
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So what exactly is the's sage's chakra, life force and physical energy and how does it play a role in performing jutsu?

The senju clan were gifted with rikudou sennins life force, physical energy and body.

So now we know that the Senju had enhanced physical stamina and physical energy but how exactly is it enhanced?

There is a direct correlation between the Senju Clan and Naruto's Sage and Kyubbi Controlled Mode.


The Rikuduo Sennin or Sage of Six paths power and energy were in fact Nature related. Whether its a result of having the Juubi or he always possesed such energies is a mystery. However there is evidence that the Nine tails and quite possibly all the tailed beast have the ability to give off this nature power or Sage like energy.

Ladies and Gentlemen I present to you:

Naruto's purified fox form reacts to Yamato's trees.


Naruto's purified fox form gives off nature like energy or simply life energy which we can safely assume is the rikodou' sennin's life energy.


One man inherited his life giving abilities. You may know him as the one who defeated Madara Uchiha or built the hidden village of the leaf. Ladies and Gentleman the

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The first Hokage uses water and earth in combination with his life giving abilities to create a justu known as the "Birth of Trees". The difference between Yammato and the first Hokage is the first Hokage inherited a massive, massive chakra but also inherited the ability to produce life while Yamamto is only able to produce wood.

Yammato is an incomplete wood style user because he lacks the life energy abilties the first Hokage has. However THIS IS WHAT HAPPENS WHEN YOU GET LIFE ENERGY NEXT TO YAMATOS WOOD
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"Amazing your filled with LIFE FORCE it's affecting my Mokuton.

The purified nine tail's chakra gives off life energy but we know that the nine - tails comes from the ten tails and we also know that the Rikudou sennin possesed the ten tails. Interesting. All we do know is that the Rikodou passed down his physical energies to the Senju.


Now that we have hypothetically determined that the Sage of six path's power is in fact similiar to Naruto's kyuubi mode, we can now continue with the EXPLANATION OF THE SENJUS ABILITIES.



As stated before the First Hokage inherited the Rikudo' Sennins life giving abilities, massive chakra and incredible physical energy because he inherited such abilities he was the strongest of his clan but do not be fooled; the rest of the Senju clan inherited Massive chakra, physical energy (the body) and physical stamina(the body) from the Sage of Six paths.

The Senju basically inherited "NATURE LIFE GIVING POWER" They are called Senju clan of the forest for a reason.

Nature
The definition
:
the whole system of the existence, arrangement, forces, and events of all physical life that are not controlled by man.
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That actual chakra Naruto uses in SAGE MODE is called SENJUTSU


"The power of nature in your hands."


Now I believe Naruto's Sage mode, Senjustu, the Senju and The Sage of Six Paths are all related.


Senjutsu uses the power of nature itself. However earlier in this thread we have determined that the rikodou's sage chakra is nature/life giving based.


So what does this have to do with anything? Well what did the rikodou passed down to the senju? That very same power.

The Senju were powered by a physical energy Naruto possesed in Sage Mode. but its "watered down."

As you know. Senjutsu takes the power of "natural energy" or "sage chakra" and converts it into chakra strengthening the user's techniques.

The Senju performed similiar very watered down feats without having to go into sage mode since they were born with a high physical stamina and boosted chakra capacity right off the bat thanks to their lineage. Remember when Danzo had his physical energy boosted by the first Hokage's DNA this was the result.

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One kick sent Karin flying..but the force behind that kick was incredible.


So allow me to illustrate this again:
Tsunade Senju
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To put it in perspective the Senju are water downed Sage Mode Narutos because they inherited the physical energy from the Sage of Six Paths they were able to use powerful ninjutsus and use forbidden techniques that were outside the realm of regular ninja with average chakra pools.

This is the result of their power:
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The only other ninja to match the 2nd is Kisame Hoshinginki the tailed beast without a tail.


Given the evidence we can determine the fighting Style of the Senju in the past


Techniques similiar to the Rasengan, Lightning Blade and kage Bunshins were spammed.


Naruto spams the Shadow clone and it seems unoriginal however it is very much original. Only a few Ninja could spam that many shadow clones. and those ninjas are the Uzamaki and Senju clan.


Actually let me make this clear on how rare Naruto's ability is; being the last of his kind he is probably the only ninja to this date capable of his feats.

The Senju were chakra juggernauts and spammed the most powerful techniques and used forbidden techniques that other ninja could not use.



You see what also made the Senju extremely powerful were the ability to use S class ninjutsu or kinjutsu with ease. Sage Mode, Triple rashmon gates, Summoning Manda, Oral rebirth, Hermit Mode, are all products that the massive chakra the sannin possesed NATURUALLY without some sort of assistance or articial enhancement. Ill go into detail on the Sannin but think about this panel


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"No..it's not that he didn't use it it's more like he can't use it..its different from before the saindaime's chakra levels..."

You can look at this panel 1 of 2 ways. The first way is the obvious. The Third Hokage is old and he's not in his prime to use the powerful ninjutsus he has in her arsenal. The 2 second way is a bit more sophisticated then that.

1) we know that the thid Hokage's chakra levels are much lower then what they use to be.
2) We know because they are low he can't use the high level techs he normally does had he been in his prime

THUS THE GOLDEN RULE OF NARUTO HAS BEEN STATED:

The more greater your chakra capacity is the more chakra demanding jutsus you can potentially use.

Meaning Shikamaru could never use Lightning Blade or Kirin because he doesn't have the high enough chakra level to even attempt the technique never mind having an affinity for lightning.

GETTING TO THE POINT:

This is evidence that ALL OTHER CLANS BESIDES THE UCHIHA WERE DISADVANTAGED fighting the Senju who were ninjutsu/taijutsu powerhouse tanks. The clans basically brought knives and bats to fight the senju who brought 50 calibur machine guns, M-16s and Sniper rifles. No contest.


Explaining the power and abilities the Third Hokage had
"You were called the Professor for knowing and being able to use all the jutsu in the leaf." Orochimaru

"To think that I'd find Nyoibo To Be this Heavy." Hokage.

Let's analyze exactly what Orochimaru meant when he said " You were called the professor for knowing and being able to use all the jutsu in the leaf." The key word that in this line is ABLE. You see with old age the Third Hokage lost the ABILITY to use the most demanding techniques effectively and to use huge chakra demanding techniques completely.



"No..it's not that he didn't use it it's more like he can't use it..its different from before the saindaime's chakra levels..."
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Unfortunately because of this the Third Hokage knew he was outclassed by Orochimaru due to age. Orochimaru retained his youth and his massive chakra thanks to this:

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Try to understand why the Third Hokage was regarded as the strongest Hokage in his prime because of his ability to spam jutsu and use the most powerful chakra taxing jutsu in Konoha . Due to his old age the Third only retained a little bit of his former stamina On thee other hand Orochimaru retained his stamina and chakra using the soul swap technique.





However can we safely determine that Third strongly inherited this will of fire or the strong body of the senju. Overwhelming evidence supports the notion that his battle style was a hybrid of Naruto's shadow clones, summonings, powerful seals, overwhelming taijutsu, powerful elemental jutsus and extreme intelligence.



What does this mean for Naruto then? Won't he get weak too? Nope. Uz..a..ma...ki... Being a distance cousin of the Senju naruto inherited the blood of the Sage more then anyone else we know of who is currently alive. Meaning he will have a longer life and stay in his prime longer.This explains why the Uzamaki clan were feared. Imagine just how powerful they had to be and what forbidden jutsus they used. Their sealing techniques were most likely broken.



The Uzumaki clan were exterminated and the Senju's blood thinned. However, a few individuals inherited that inhuman stamina and were chakra juggernauts strongly Introducing...


The Sannin

The Sannin were powerful but few understand just how and why they were so powerful. The Sannin inherited the blood of the Senju and body of the sage.It has already been confirmed that Tsunade is the granddaughter of the first Hokage but she is on equal term or perhaps weaker then her other two siblings. All three ninja had powerful large summons. Gamabuta, Manda, and Katsuya.


Gamabatu required naruto to access the nine - tail fox's chakra in order to be summoned.




People like Jiraiya, and the 4th Hokage did this without any assistance.

So what makes the Sannin so powerful and sets them apart from most of the ninja world???? I will tell you again. The ability to spam powerful ninjutsus with their massive chakra capacity and use forbidden techniques.

Ironically the Sannin of Konoha aren't particurally gifted in the art of genjutsu.
Orochimaru was beaten by it twice. Jiraiya admitted it in his fight against pain he sucked at it and we have yet to see a genjutsu feat done by Tsunade at all. Instead they all have some powerful physical ability. Tsunade Senju has her youth trick, super strength, regeneration, and medical abilties.



Jiraiya has his Hermit mode. Orochimaru has his regeneration, and near immortality.

Since their physical energy is boosted they have massive chakra reserves. Where as in the Uchiha they have powerful spiritual energy which allows them to wield the sharingan without fatigue and they excel in the art of mastering ninjutsu and are tactical genuises.

What I believe Orochimaru artficially enhanced about himself was the abiltity to take other people's bodies and regenerate. However Orochimaru had a very powerful life force and unbelievable stamina to begin with.

Even before Orochimaru did experimented on himself he was already regarded as a genuius Orochimaru is a stamina monster, a chakra beast and extremely intelligent this is why he was feared. In his fight against the Third their physical energy and power were displayed.



His oral rebirth technique was chakra demanding. However during his fight with 4 tailed Naruto he was able to spam it. Like I said The Senju were spammers lol. You want to know just how demanding the oral rebirth technique is??? Sasuke with Orochimaru in CS2 could only do it once.


"The replacement you used to dodge my amatersu was move straight from Orochimaru's reportoire. Although is extremely difficult to detect it consumes a massive amount of charka." Itachi

Here Orochimaru performs it on a number of occasions





Even with sasuke in CS2 could not touch the massive chakra Orochimaru has.
The Oral rebirth is a powerful jutsu that Orochimaru spammed.

Again, this is what made the Senju dangerous. The ability to spam powerful jutsus and USE forbidden techs that other ninjas could not use thanks to their massive chakra, durable bodies and astonishing life force.


Orochimaru's physical energy he inherited by being a descendant of the Senju clan is constantly getting "rejected" by his vessels. Since Orochimaru no longer has his original "vessel" to handle that massive chakra he is constantly getting rejected. Orochimaru's soul swap jutsu is nothing more then a parasite invading someone's body. Only that Parasite takes control over the body. This is why Orochimaru retains his extraordinary gifts but why the vessel can only take so much abuse.


"You will die here and I will obtain an even younger more beautiful stronger body."

Key word stronger. Again, Orochimaru needs a vessel that can handle his massive chakra.

The life force of the Senju

Shodia's cells taking over Danzo.

Orochimaru's cells taking over Sasuke.

Does anything seem familiar to you?
Orochimaru's life energy is similiar to shodai's in that they sort of have life of there own. Kabuto had to gain the upperhand on Orochimaru's cells just as Danzo had to seal the 1st Hokage's cells. Orochimaru was either born with that life energy or he somehow transplated the 1st Hokage's cells within himself. However Orochimaru was always seen as inhuman.



On thee other hand we know that Orochimaru was experimenting with the 1st Hokage's cells.


Kabuto refer's to Orochimaru's powers as powers and not abilities.
Similiar to how Danzou injected the first Hokage's cells in him Kabuto did the same with Orochimaru cells. As you know Kabuto took Orochimaru's justus as well as his regenerative powers when he injected Orochimaru's cells in him. However Kabuto also took Orochimaru's massive chakra capacity and seemingly increased it. Which shows in his power to summon Manda 2 a much larger and I'm assuming is a more chakra demanding technique.


His power boost also shows in his edo tensei.



What does this mean? It means Kabuto right now has 1 of the if not most biggest Chakra capacities. This also means he is able to use the most demanding jutsus which also means right now he may have the most powerful jutsus up his sleeve right now super edo tensei.

The real reason why orochimaru wanted Sasuke's body was for his chakra as well. He wanted the chakra of the Uchiha as well as the eyes. Orochimaru would be damn near unstoppable if he were to get a hold of Sasuke's body. Imagine a ninja with a massive chakra capacity, filled with the most powerful chakra, and gifted with the ability to learn powerful ninja techniques at an inhuman rate. Picture Sasuke with a chakra pool as big as Orochimaru's, regeneration and forbidden techs . You will get a ninja with ability to spam a bunch of lighting blades, earth walls, suiton water guns, Super Genjustus, immunity to genjutsus, edo tensei like jutsus, and summons like manda.

You can't? Orochimaru can and so does this guy


This could also mean Sasuke's chakra could be more potent then Itachi's even though Itachi is smarter then Sasuke which is why orochimaru said sasuke has eye's that may surpass Itachi. If Orochimaru where to take Sasuke's eyes without his chakra he would be worse off then Kakashi with Obito's 1 eye.
 
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holy ****, that's quite a lot to read, i got up to danzo and i stopped too much T_T
 

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How long did it take you to do that?
 

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You didn't really explain anything new though. It seemed interesting until you got to the point about Hiruzen and the Sannin.
 

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read all of it. eissshhh dude, u r quite an observer.
 

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Nice explanation (I skimmed it too) xd
 

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Wow. Awesome job. It was very informative. It ties some or more connection to the mystery of the Senju and tells about the different chakra levels and why it was key to some characters. It even gives reason way most feared or praised the Senju, the Hokage's, Sannin, and/or the Uzumaki. It gives detail to why Orochimaru and Kabuto is interested in Sasuke. I liked it. +Reps

Edited: Can you do one on the Uchiha? It will at least give more in detailed. Though not needed, but if it was, it would probably be used in connection with Gedo Mazou, Rinnegan, and/or leading ultimately towards Tobi's "Moon Eye Plan." That would be helpful.
 
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+rep for all the efforts, but im sorry, the Uchiha was the clan with the insanely strong chakra, not the senju. I will edit this post once i find the manga page that says it.

Here they are:


 
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Wow. Nice job. It was very informative. It ties some or more connection to the mystery of the Senju and tells about the different chakra levels and why it was key to some characters. It even gives reason way most feared or praised the Senju, the Hokage's, Sannin, and/or the Uzumaki. It gives detail to why Orochimaru and Kabuto is interested in Sasuke. I liked it. +Reps

Thanks. I figure I would try to piece up the puzzles since the manga didn't clearly explain a few things.
 

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+rep for all the efforts, but im sorry, the Uchiha was the clan with the insanely strong chakra, not the senju. I will edit this post once i find the manga page that says it.

The Uchiha had the most powerful type of chakra the Senju had the biggest chakra capacity.
 

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good try but lots of false information/assumptions in there
 

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The Uchiha had the most powerful type of chakra the Senju had the biggest chakra capacity.

You are just making that up. Look at my second link, Uchiha had gretest chakra, sage's eyes and spiritual energy. Senju had the sage's body, life force, and physical energy.

This could mean that the Senju were really strong, like Tsunade for example (which is a Senju), and that they lived very long, healthy lives thanks to their life force.
 
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Thats a lot of words! And dude thats a really good theory!!!!xd xdxdxdxdxdxdxdxd:pwease::worshippy:
 

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Nice thread. One question, what makes you think Oro and Jiraiya were descendants of the SO6P?
Also, the Senju's life giving power isn't nature related, it is Yang related which is used for vitality (such as Tsunade's Yin seal). Which is what they inherited from the SO6P whilst the Uchiha inherited the Yin from him which is why they are so proficient in genjutsu. Minato sealed the Yang half of the Kyuubi inside Naruto so after he gained control of the large amount, it gave off the cloak similar to the younger son's. I agree, the Senju would have had large amounts of chakra.
 
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Your points with Orochimaru seems strong facts.
I think you are right in all of this and I really enjoy reading a works like this +rep.
 

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Wow, really long, had some good points! +rep for an interesting read.
 

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You are just making that up. Look at my second link, Uchiha had gretest chakra, sage's eyes and spiritual energy. Senju had the sage's body, life force, and physical energy.

This could mean that the Senju were really strong, like Tsunade for example (which is a Senju), and that they lived very long, healthy lives thanks to their life force.

Do you understand what your saying right now? By your logic Sasuke should have a bigger chakra pool then naruto...

Sasuke used Oral rebirth once and it drained most of his chakra..
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Here Orochimaru performs it on a number of occasions




The UCHIHA Have the most potent chakra but they do not have the biggest chakra with the exception of Madara Uchiha.



The Uchiha had the most powerful type but senju had the greatest chakra capacity thanks to their physical life force being upped.


Analyze the manga before you claim I'm making stuff up.
 
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Do you understand what your saying right now? By your logic Sasuke should have a bigger chakra pool then naruto...

Sasuke used Oral rebirth once and it drained most of his chakra..
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Here Orochimaru performs it on a number of occasions




The UCHIHA Have the most potent chakra but they do not have the biggest chakra with the exception of Madara Uchiha.

If you had read my OP you wouldn't have made such wild accusations.

The Uchiha had the most powerful type but senju had the greatest chakra capacity thanks to their physical life force being upped.


Analyze the manga before you claim I'm making stuff up.

First of all, i read everything in your post. Second of all, naruto is an Uzumaki, not a Senju. They may be DISTANT cousins, but they are not the same. Third of all, Naruto's massive chakra is in great part due to the Kyuubi. And last, but not least, we have not seen any Senju in enough action to measure the amount of chakra they have. The manga states that the Uchiha has the greates chakra, you cannot change that fact.

Besides, chakra is the result of both physical and spiritual energy being mixed, my link clearly states that the senju only had exceptional physical energy, they are lacking the spiritual one, which is found in the uchiha.

lol, and so what if Orochimaru performed the same jutsu as Sasuke multiple times? you are also speculating that he is a Senju, which i highly doubt. Same goes for Jiraiya.
 
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