last time i check tsunade don't carry gamabunta sword around. And even then sm naruto was shown throwing boss summons same as sm jiraiya, fukasaku throw bunta and his sword, bee wrestling bears. Many ppl have replicate and are even above her in strenght
Tsunade At Best High Jounin Level?
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Nope they haven't shown anything like that Onnoki could stop madara's justu because of this ability to make it light & it is a round object BUT gamabuta's Knife was pined to the ground,The raikage woundn't even be able to hold it from the top not to talk of pining manda's mouth with itU_U..Plus manda is a summon remember that when u call Onnoki or Raikage U_U
what is the difference? Sage mode increase strength, tsunade putting chakra in her hand increase strenght. And i still don't know who she will beat w/ that strenght when she is slow and her taijutsu is linear.
u need to go and read from the 7th page of this thread till the 12th and see how gai and kakashi will beat her. The only fight she has is in part against kabuto and then kabuto was able to keep up w/ her, kakashi and gai have face more stronger opponent than part 1 kabuto.
Position of Kage is given to the strongest in the village true, but this isn't just about physical strength, it takes everything into consideration. That includes everything from political skills, ninjutsu, taijutsu, intelligence and even down to versatility. Tsunade is the Hokage because she had the strongest combination of these skills in the whole village. If it was based just on strength alone then someone like Guy, Kakashi or Naruto would have been given the position immediately, however none of them have any medical ninjutsu available, nor do I see them as people with political skills.
an orochimaru who is feeling pain in his body and got no arm,she got the same speed as naruto who just came back from a 3yrs training. I'm trying to tell you that, that strenght feat is outdated. Tanx to that video i can see that she did that when manda is distracted.
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Lol wow... And the hating continues... really? All I managed to see over the last page was a bunch of speculative facts about her fighting style which we've hardly seen so you can't even begin to fathom as to what her actual abilities are and something about Kakashi and Guy having fought stronger people than her... Is that really the best you have?
What's next? We haven't seen Hashirama or Tobirama fight... The only time we saw them was when a 70yr old man pwned them in a 3v1 fight... Are they not Kage level now as well?
I have no idea how many times this needs to be said but, just because she isn't a frontline fighter like Kakashi, Guy or Naruto - Doesn't mean she doesn't deserve the position of Hokage. What you fail to realize is that the Kage does NOT have to be the strongest person in the village... So why are you all suddenly under the assumption that they have to be?
Do you honestly think someone who has been hailed as the world's greatest kunoichi would really be that weak? Tsunade served Konoha in 2 World Wars and if I remember correctly, Jiraiya even said she was the sole reason they won a war due to Tsunade constantly countering Chiyo's poisons... He also said that no one can stand equal to Tsunade in terms of both Combat or Medical Prowess.
As for her being slow, are you joking? The first thing she taught Sakura was to be quick and evasive... Why teach someone something you can't do? It makes no sense. If Tsunade wasn't quick and evasive like she was teaching Sakura to be - She would have never survived through all her years of fighting. Go back and re-read the fight with Kabuto, she was easily able to not only dodge and evade his attacks - But she was also capable of seeing through his attack patterns and being able to turn defense into offense.
So now the only argument any of you can fathom is about that particular fight... and you know what happened in that fight? Orochimaru and Kabuto played on a fear she had, and one she quickly got over to save Naruto even though she was already in bad shape.
What you all fail to realize is if you look at the difference between Part 1 and Part 2. Those who have been given enough screen time have shown us abilities that far exceed what is possible between Part 1 and Part 2 because Kishi went from controlled abilities and power levels up to DBZ level where people have techniques that are cataclysmic. Following an obvious trend in logic, if everyone has suddenly become to powerful - Does it not make sense that, once we actually see Tsunade in battle, she's going to have also received power ups which obviously suit the theme of the Manga?
But that's right, none of you have any logical arguments.. All you can say is... "Well Kakashi can kill her with Kamui." - News flash Einstein, Kakashi can kill 99% of people with Kamui... Does that mean he instantly becomes stronger than them? No. Just because someone possesses one technique which is capable of defeating someone, it doesn't instantly mean that person becomes stronger... Why do you honestly have such a flawed way of thinking? It's so 1-dimensional and so extremely biased towards someone who is obviously an extremely powerful Kunoichi.
If Tsunade wasn't Kage level then answer this one easy question... Why is the still the Hokage? It's been like 3 years since she was appointed... Why is the still the Hokage? If Kakashi or Guy deserve it more than her, why leave her in the position if she isn't good enough for it? This question right here destroys any argument you can put together because fact is, they would have removed her from that position if she wasn't ready for the job... Better yet, they would have never considered her to begin with if they didn't think she could do it.
What's next? We haven't seen Hashirama or Tobirama fight... The only time we saw them was when a 70yr old man pwned them in a 3v1 fight... Are they not Kage level now as well?
I have no idea how many times this needs to be said but, just because she isn't a frontline fighter like Kakashi, Guy or Naruto - Doesn't mean she doesn't deserve the position of Hokage. What you fail to realize is that the Kage does NOT have to be the strongest person in the village... So why are you all suddenly under the assumption that they have to be?
Do you honestly think someone who has been hailed as the world's greatest kunoichi would really be that weak? Tsunade served Konoha in 2 World Wars and if I remember correctly, Jiraiya even said she was the sole reason they won a war due to Tsunade constantly countering Chiyo's poisons... He also said that no one can stand equal to Tsunade in terms of both Combat or Medical Prowess.
As for her being slow, are you joking? The first thing she taught Sakura was to be quick and evasive... Why teach someone something you can't do? It makes no sense. If Tsunade wasn't quick and evasive like she was teaching Sakura to be - She would have never survived through all her years of fighting. Go back and re-read the fight with Kabuto, she was easily able to not only dodge and evade his attacks - But she was also capable of seeing through his attack patterns and being able to turn defense into offense.
So now the only argument any of you can fathom is about that particular fight... and you know what happened in that fight? Orochimaru and Kabuto played on a fear she had, and one she quickly got over to save Naruto even though she was already in bad shape.
What you all fail to realize is if you look at the difference between Part 1 and Part 2. Those who have been given enough screen time have shown us abilities that far exceed what is possible between Part 1 and Part 2 because Kishi went from controlled abilities and power levels up to DBZ level where people have techniques that are cataclysmic. Following an obvious trend in logic, if everyone has suddenly become to powerful - Does it not make sense that, once we actually see Tsunade in battle, she's going to have also received power ups which obviously suit the theme of the Manga?
But that's right, none of you have any logical arguments.. All you can say is... "Well Kakashi can kill her with Kamui." - News flash Einstein, Kakashi can kill 99% of people with Kamui... Does that mean he instantly becomes stronger than them? No. Just because someone possesses one technique which is capable of defeating someone, it doesn't instantly mean that person becomes stronger... Why do you honestly have such a flawed way of thinking? It's so 1-dimensional and so extremely biased towards someone who is obviously an extremely powerful Kunoichi.
If Tsunade wasn't Kage level then answer this one easy question... Why is the still the Hokage? It's been like 3 years since she was appointed... Why is the still the Hokage? If Kakashi or Guy deserve it more than her, why leave her in the position if she isn't good enough for it? This question right here destroys any argument you can put together because fact is, they would have removed her from that position if she wasn't ready for the job... Better yet, they would have never considered her to begin with if they didn't think she could do it.
I never said she is not kage level overall, you can quote where i say that. And if you want to prove me wrong you will have to go and start from the 7th page to the 12th page cous i'm not repeating that argument. She was never hailed as a fighter she was hailed as the best medical ninja alongside her strenght. The techs she has are mostly medical techs and the only offence she got is her punch which is linear. What i'm saying is her combat ability is not kage level she can't defeat any akatsuki member maybe hidan. Gai defeat kisame and kakashi hold his own against kakuzu,pain,diedara and even itachi even v2 jins you should come back when she shown something better.
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So the only argument you can possibly come up with is "Her punches are linear"....? -.-"
And I never said she was hailed as a fighter, she's obviously a medical-nin... But that doesn't mean she can't fight. As for only having a punch, you realize she ax-kicked the ground in Part 1 against Oro and Kabuto, right?
So what's next? You gonna try combat this argument with "Well her kicks are linear as well."
As for her not being able to defeat any member of Akatsuki... You have no proof whatsoever. Your entire arguments are based on speculation and fights we haven't even seen from her. How about you come back when you have something better than "She can't beat them because she punches straight."
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