A theory to support why Tobi failed to use genjutsu against Minato

[Knights]

just made this account b/c the answear is clear, could tobi not have use b/c it would have no effect? The way to stop a genjutsu is to, if i remember, push the chakra in the body to dispell it. for someone who created rasengan wouldnt something like tht be cake? another reason could be tht if you noticed after the fight between them tobi's arm where he was hit melted, so tht implys it was either a clone of sorts or he dose not have a full body. so if he has part of body missing maybe part of power missing also? and the idiot the said something about naruto abbitly to detect malice or evil intent and not running after sasuke, well if sasuke is not doing anything, i.e recovering surgey, then he would not have evil intent cuase all he was intending wa to heal. also y would naruto run right after a dued in bed, sasuke or not, when theres a big a** war going on? enough said.

 

[~Uzumaki~]

u are 100000 percent wrong there lol. when sasuke touched itachis susanoo with his sword he flew a mile away lol. and in order for minato to get 1 inch behind itachi he would have to throw a kunai... now come on lol. dont BS me we all know itachi is the King of kunai throwing lol. I want to make something clear to everyone. There is no such thing as "teleportation" even in dragon ball z when goku would use instant transmission it was shown that he was MOVING AT A VERY FAST SPEED WHICH WAS SO FAST U DIDNT SEE HIS MOVEMENTS. u wouldnt see him move to his position because he was so fast. Minato is the same way. There is no such thing as pure teleportation in naruto lol. it is movement that is SO FAST it SEEMS as if he is teleporting. remember when zetsu and tobi were going to see the remains of the itachi vs sasuke fight. zetsu told tobi "hey slow down u know im not as fast as u" thats ironic. Because both zetsu and tobi exhibit teleportation. now if they were both teleporting one person wouldnt be faster than the other lol. Therefore Teleportation is extremely fast movement. Itachi also "teleports" without using any type of space time techniques. minato ALSO teleports without using hirashin no jutsu. Their movement is so fast it seems as if they are teleporting. thanks for your time

wow...such denial. I mean...to go as far as denying the workings of Minato's tech, to say Itachi can repel someone inside Susanoo ribspace when Bee and Naruto stood right there. Wow.

 

[clintsy]

Well the reason is genjutsu isn't really a combat type jutsu it is used mainly for interrogation and deception note yomato, rin .itachi 3rd mizukage and sasuke to some extent are masters of genjutsu . Which makes it possible for them to is it in combat which an opponent how is attacking and looking for an opening constantly . Tobi genjutsu is not either on itachi or the 3rd mizukages level so tobi facing an opponent who capitalizes on speed which he has little knowledge of (his abilities I.e minato) .tobi using a genjutsu would be a stupid move since not all sharingan genjutsu are as powerful as that of itachi(proven by the donzo and sasuke fight) . I hope this clear up the reason tobi didn't use genjutsu in that fight and relied on time-space techniques.

i think i agree with u. u can't attack without assessing your opponents abilities.

 

[Issystar]

look there you go again ignoring plot and decided to change it into a hint

we already told u what the answer but apparently u don't want to listen if it don't suit ur opinion,

kishomoto has been using plot shield since the manga start, that was in order to entertain the readers so it won't be boring and lame,

for example
Edo Deidara can easily spam C0 and kill all ppl in the war but kishi don't make him do that since it will be boring,
Edo Madara can also spam that meteor to destroy the 5th kage but nah kishi didn't do that
Current Naruto was said to be able to sense malicious/evil/killing intent from miles away, with that he can easily find sasuke but kishi don't do that since it will kill the excitement
and there is itachi when j-man appear in to save naruto, if we are using ur so called logic itachi can amaterasu j-man or tsukoyomi, but it will be lame if someone like j-man got owned by a new character like itachi,

so the answer is plot shield and kishimoto is responsible for that, its sad since u use kishimoto quote while u deny what kishimoto did in his manga

Nice logic guys but you all speak as though you are kishimoto. If you really know the mind of kishimoto (as you both claim), why not make the next manga before its released and post it in a forum? Shouldnt you ask yourselves how as gengutsu work? Then you'll probably come to understand why Tobi couldnt use gengutsu on Minato.

 

[kajo]

still Minato powers are unknown to us dont jodge on him that easy way

 

[Totsuka No Tsurugi]

Nice logic guys but you all speak as though you are kishimoto. If you really know the mind of kishimoto (as you both claim), why not make the next manga before its released and post it in a forum? Shouldnt you ask yourselves how as gengutsu work? Then you'll probably come to understand why Tobi couldnt use gengutsu on Minato.

should i tell you what the definition of plot shield ?

"Character shields (also known as plot armor or plot shield) are plot devices in films and television shows that prevent important characters from dying or being seriously injured at dramatically inconvenient moments. It often denotes a situation in which it strains credibility to believe that the character would survive."

understand ?

 

[gaaraisuberbadass]

prolly right

 

[Madara Hokage]

Nice Sig...

 

[Darksharinnegan]

it might be a a bit more simple than that.

sharingan gen jutsu comes from the eye that was cover and doing somthing lik taking a mask off while fighting the fastest man in naruto history could prove foolish. and he my have not even had another sharingan

to be honest only kishi knows

 

[teutonicknite]

You guys are just cruel, forcing a cancer patient to fight a hokage just to prove your point isn't that nice! The battle go either way depending on the conditions. This guys could be ready to face off all tense and stuff and then some rabbit crosses between them and when Minato goes to save coz its so innocent looking....

Hitachi shoots amaterasu towards it but Minato thows a Kunai towards it....

FTG to it and skins it and returns it....

And they sit down and have a nice meal!

 

[tristan]

Here comes another hardcore minato fan who is just too dumb to realise the true facts and pray more and more on his minato shrine. :flaw:

One true reason is tobi's fighting style, he is not a genjutsu fighter, he fights with space time ninjutsu.

Also, i agree with you that 3rd point is foolish.
And, ftg is not yin yang release, it is simply space time ninjutsu. FTG can be roughly compared with summoning jutsu, where you make a contract and teleports the persom/thing. And summoning jutsu is not yin yang release.
ALso, every technique is not necessarily any elemental or yin yang release. Where will you classify shadow clone and clone jutsus? yin yang ? xd

And and, stop showing off minato as god and disrespecting other fanboys.
Indeed minato was very powerful, hence became kage of hidden leaf village, but overrating him that much is dumb. U_U

don't you think there's no genjutsu user during minato's chuunin exam?

 

[Genjitxu]

You can't catch the forth hokage in most genjutsu anyways. So they have a point. If Tobi had mangekyo sharingan however, perhaps. Plus you can't afford to stand still fighting Minato and most genjutsu requires concentration(ma pa toad, sasuke...).
This idea that he could teleport vaporize liquidfy out of a genjutsu is laughable though...

 

[kagekiller]

No. If we go by LOGIC then it's unlikely that Tobi won't use genjutsu because it defeats his purpose and we know what Tobi's purpose is.

A speculation but with something to support. I believe there's two kind of speculation. A weak and strong type

Here's an example:

1. Minato has fire element: Absolutely a poor one because there is nothing to support this speculation.

2. Minato has wind: A strong one because of the hints given.

Hints:
A. Jiraiya said that Minato was a shrewd person, and was not a man who would do something without reason

B. Attempted to stab A using a kunai when A is using a lightning shroud.

C. Wind is greater than lightning.

If we add A+B+C, then there's a high possibility that Minato had wind element. This is speculation but a strong one.

Try to compare the two examples and you know what I mean. If someone will say, Minato can easily be trapped by a genjutsu, then he is speculating and of weak type. Why? because there is no evidence even the tiniest one to support that claim.

dnt forget the fact that he can use rasengan

 

[kagekiller]

u are 100000 percent wrong there lol. when sasuke touched itachis susanoo with his sword he flew a mile away lol. and in order for minato to get 1 inch behind itachi he would have to throw a kunai... now come on lol. dont BS me we all know itachi is the King of kunai throwing lol. I want to make something clear to everyone. There is no such thing as "teleportation" even in dragon ball z when goku would use instant transmission it was shown that he was MOVING AT A VERY FAST SPEED WHICH WAS SO FAST U DIDNT SEE HIS MOVEMENTS. u wouldnt see him move to his position because he was so fast. Minato is the same way. There is no such thing as pure teleportation in naruto lol. it is movement that is SO FAST it SEEMS as if he is teleporting. remember when zetsu and tobi were going to see the remains of the itachi vs sasuke fight. zetsu told tobi "hey slow down u know im not as fast as u" thats ironic. Because both zetsu and tobi exhibit teleportation. now if they were both teleporting one person wouldnt be faster than the other lol. Therefore Teleportation is extremely fast movement. Itachi also "teleports" without using any type of space time techniques. minato ALSO teleports without using hirashin no jutsu. Their movement is so fast it seems as if they are teleporting. thanks for your time

than how would u explain summoning jutsu?

 

[kibaclaw]

Pointless thread. It's like making a theory about why naruto likes ramen. Tobi never uses genjutsu so why worry about it?

 

[Reptile]

Cool thread and everything, But uh...
all i saw here was PURE speculation. And dont try to use the "Your a Uchiha fan" card, cuz Im not, Minato is actually my fave character. But after everything you said, you didnt show us where it is actually shown what exactly Minato specializes in, OR how much chakra he has in what he specializes in. I think Tobi didnt use a genjutsu purely because he underestimated Minato the entire fight until he was finally hit, but by then was too late, as he already suffered too much damage, he probably thought there was no need to use a genjutsu since he was so set on just warping Minato away, probably use genjutsu on him later. Minato being immune to genjutsu? Thats hard to believe. So im going with PLOT. Because yes, Tobi COULD have place Minato in genjutsu and ended it there, but since it is an anime/manga, and not real life, the creators didnt make Tobi use it. If he did, what kind of story would that be, might as well let Deidara C0 everyone and kill every non sharingan, or non-lightning affinity person, or have madara spam his meteorites allday, or having gaara use a gaint tsunami against every single opponent, I can go on and on. So I say PLOT. Not rying to bash what you said...but i dont agree with you

Exactly!

 

[JayPete]

Doesnt mean Tobi is a maste @ Genjutsu. Some Uchiha r better @ it. If u ask me, Izuna (Tobi) wasnt back to full power since his rebirth. He jus returned from the underworld when Nagato activated the Rinnegan.

I forgot to mention, whom ever eyes are sacrificed and passed on will b reborn after the rinnegan is activated with the inheritor. Thts wut Madara was expecting when he said Nagato finally grew up. But, u must remember.... the eternal mangekyou is activated by the siblings eyes. Madara sacrificed his brothers eyes because he went blind with his own. Thts the final ritual of the uchiha occular jutsus.

 

[Wind..]

Very good read +rep

 

[dareak]

I still don't see why plot isn't a valid answer. You say it's not in Tobi's best interests. Well the problem here is that the plot is based on Kishimoto's best interests, not Tobi's.

If Tobi had used genjutsu who would've stopped Kurama?

Based on this question ^, the only viable answer is plot. There is no other answer with the information we have now.

Also, not all jutsu are under the banner of shape/nature manipulation. S/T jutsu have their own category because they don't manipulate shape or nature. S/T jutsu manipulate Space and Time, a completely different concept.

 

[Turson]

I still don't see why plot isn't a valid answer. You say it's not in Tobi's best interests. Well the problem here is that the plot is based on Kishimoto's best interests, not Tobi's.

If Tobi had used genjutsu who would've stopped Kurama?

Based on this question ^, the only viable answer is plot. There is no other answer with the information we have now.

Also, not all jutsu are under the banner of shape/nature manipulation. S/T jutsu have their own category because they don't manipulate shape or nature. S/T jutsu manipulate Space and Time, a completely different concept.

Moreover, Kishimoto admitted that hes using plot-shields. In last interview he said that edo Deidara is one of the scariest characters, since he could blow himself up causing 10km radius explosion and then simply regenerate. So why he didnt? The reason is simple.