something about IZANAGI

[Allan Hoshigaki]

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you read. i'm right. wrong translation in those that you linked then. people aren't just making this up. it was creation of all things that he used.

wikapedia very unreliable you read the manga it says it right there be in denial its fine. arent websites liek that being shutdown nowadays cuz all the publish is bullshit

 

[boshans]

hahaha how about that was a bad translation. how about reading this one:

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it's a practical way of using the sages power to control all creation. which is called creation of all things, Banbutsu Sōzō. where would they get that japanese name? out of no where? IZANAGI IS BASED ON CREATION OF ALL THINGS. it is NOT what the sage used.

"An ability the Sage of the Six Paths had, referred to as "Creation of All Things" (万物創造, Banbutsu Sōzō). The process he used is explained to have initially involved the administration of imagination, and the spiritual energy which forms the basis of Yin chakra to create shape and form from nothingness. Then, through the application of vitality, and the physical energy which forms the basis of Yang chakra, he would breathe life into the prior form. The sage used this ability to split the Ten-Tails into nine tailed beasts. It is also said that the technique Izanagi is based on this technique."

That is creation of all things.

this is izanagi:

"Izanagi is a genjutsu that is cast on the user instead of others"

"The technique is based on an ability the Sage of the Six Paths had, referred to as "Creation of All Things""

whatever, just wait until other people chime in. you'll see. there has been many discussions on creation of all things and izanagi, and it is well known izanagi CANNOT CREATE THINGS, IT IS ONLY USED ON ONESELF. and that the sage used CREATION OF ALL THINGS to create the bijuu.

 

[boshans]

wikapedia very unreliable you read the manga it says it right there be in denial its fine. arent websites liek that being shutdown nowadays cuz all the publish is bullshit

um no? all the information on the wiki IS TAKEN FROM THE MANGA?

 

[PaperHERO]

Boshan is Right

 

[Uchihas with Big Guns]

U DON'T NEED SENJU DNA

ITS AN UCHIHA!!! FORBIDDEN JUTSU UCHIHA

A MORE COMPLETE VERSION USES HASHIRAMAS' DNA TO TRY TO RECREATE THE SAGES JUTSU

Inazagi can be used for offense aswell as an extra life I made on thread with proof a while back

Most likely tobi put it out or warped it away (amaretsu)

 

[kisamexRocks]

Well, couldn't Tobi/Madara just erase his entire existence which would trick the flames and they would disappear. Worked when Shino's bugs surrounded him and yet were unable to trace him. SO Tobi/Madara didn't have to use Izanagi but just erase himself completely

 

[White Zetsu]

um no? all the information on the wiki IS TAKEN FROM THE MANGA?

100% correct that other guy was retarded and ignorant he said aren't websites like that being taken down but he doesn't realize that the link he got was from Magastream which got taken town like 2 days ago.lmao

 

[Zato]

I don't know because if you read what Tobi said on this page here

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Then go to the next page. I think he makes it clear he was talking about Izanagi but the what he was trying to say is that the form of Izanagi Danzo performed was an incomplete form due to the fact he wasn't able to control Hashirama's powers. So if that is an incomplete form of Izanagi then what exactly is the complete form? I think the complete form is the one he was explaining to Konan. To be able to create life through nothingness. That is probably what Izanagi truly is.

 

[jorgelius]

CREATION OF ALL THINGS and izanagi. there is evidence to back both theories up but which is correct, i respect those saying they are seperate and almost believe that now too but no. lets see the elder being yin/bad and senju yang/good we know izanagi could be or is ying yang release, coz both are needed. and can be used to create thing and give a life to it. i don't go deeper yet. other argument was tobi didn't use izanagi to put amaterasu undie-ing flames out.. im almost certain he did. coz: itachi did know a lot about akatsuki, his plan was to eliminate tobi and since they did do that massacre thing together and met before that we can assume itachi know alot about him, and about S/T jutsu, still somehow amaterasu hit him and afterusing izanagi tobi stated "i would be dead now if i hadn't keeped few secrets even from itachi" one of being izanagi,

konan mixed explosive tags with regular paper and tryed explode tobi with him, if he can somehow use s/t to seperate himself completely he would used that , later he realised certain dead waits him if he didn't use izanagi and he did, if we assume im correct for tobi it's risky to do it but also perfected to and extend he don't lose eyesight after using it. and againts konan too, even tough didn't look like sharingan eye wasn't closed either

 

[Floydical]

Wow this thread got a little out of control... But +rep Allan for making a great point! Tobi's mask was in fact off when he was being consumed by the flames, so he could have easily used Izanagi to get away!

The fact that he put his mask back on without us seeing anything, means he could have easily used his left eye for the tech, making us none the wiser! And he did say that he was able to keep something from Itachi. I know for a fact that Itachi was not aware of Izanagi (at least modern Uchiha's were unaware right?). So it would make sense that that was what Tobi was referring to!

I guess Tobi could have escaped with phasing, which is what I've believed forever, but that may not be the case. He has to solidify before absorbing himself, so he might not have been able to get the flames off by phasing. Not only that, but I'm certain that Itachi was aware of Tobi's phasing after being around him for so long.

Conclusion? I think you are right Allan, looks like Tobi did use Izanagi there, + rep! I might make a thread about this too..

 

[Viewtiful]

Tobi did not use Izanagi. Izanagi, even when "complete" is only used to warp reality to turn unadvantageous events into "a dream". That's ALL it does. Tobi almost certainly just slipped through Amaterasu with his intangibility technique.

 

[jorgelius]

nd he did say that he was able to keep something from Itachi. I know for a fact that Itachi was not aware of Izanagi (at least modern Uchiha's were unaware right?). So it would make sense that that was what Tobi was referring to!


it's too early to tell did itachi know about it, might just be he did but didn't know tobi how he called madara had senju cells.. i think itachi and shisui did know stuff, due to ability read uchiha stone monument and itachi was aware that first cells speed up kotoa,, regaining time.. but this have litlle to do with izanagi. to me its clear it was indeed izanagi (only tech capable doing stuff we talk about) witch put the flame's out.. shino's bug and attack like amaterasu is totally different thing. it's no chance it has nothing to do with S/T or phasing and furthermore itachi did think amaterasu is enough konan make sure he can kill tobi too, but could't ques he have trick like that.. IF HOW TOBI DID ESCAPE AMATERASU IS START SOLVING THIS LET'S ANALYSE THAT and i have idea, but why every1 who disagree can't buy izanagi stopped flame's ?? tobi said his version was perfected or least advanced that danzo's and, i have couple things about madara too regarding this

 

[Uchiha Itachi4tw]

When Tobi was fighting Konan he was forced to use Izanagi to escape the 10 minute explosion. As his body comes back to reality you can see one eye close. If he used Izanagi to escape Itachi's Amaterasu then wouldn't it stand to reason that one eye should
have already been closed, leaving him completely blind? Why would he be able to keep it open the first time and not the second?

As for the Izanagi being used for creating the beasts, it seems to me that the manga is saying he did use it to create them, but he also used creation of all things. Maybe he used creation for the body and Izanagi to "dream" a soul to put into it. I could be absolutely wrong but that's how I'm seeing it.

 

[Wolfrage]

Sorry to spoil the theory but Tobi definitely DID NOT use Izanagi to survive the Amaterasu, honestly I don't know how exactly he did it, BUT when you use Izanagi, one of your eyes loses it's light and when he fought Conan, after that both of his eyes worked until the end of the fight. I guess the only real possibility is that he used Izanagi and transplanted a new eye from the creepy Sharingan collection he has. Okay in retrospect, maybe that is what happened. Damn I hate how mysterious Tobi is.

 

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[Floydical]

Sorry to spoil the theory but Tobi definitely DID NOT use Izanagi to survive the Amaterasu, honestly I don't know how exactly he did it, BUT when you use Izanagi, one of your eyes loses it's light and when he fought Conan, after that both of his eyes worked until the end of the fight. I guess the only real possibility is that he used Izanagi and transplanted a new eye from the creepy Sharingan collection he has. Okay in retrospect, maybe that is what happened. Damn I hate how mysterious Tobi is.

Heh first you deny it than realize the possibility was real... nice onexd.

The truth is, we do not know whether or not he survived amaterasu with space-time or Izanagi. Since we did not see his left eye afterward, the possibility will always be there that he used it to use Izanagi. Clearly there was enough time between than and his battle with Konan to replace a new eye, that much is for sure.

The biggest piece of evidence is that he stated the technique he used was secret even to Itachi. We know that Konan knew about his space time inside and out, yet knew nothing about Izanagi. It is highly logical to believe the same was true about Itachi. Having spent a lot of time with Tobi, Itachi would have been familiar with his S/T. Therefore, it is very logical to assume he DID use Izanagi to survive the encounter.

One thing that people cannot get passed is that he did not show a loss of an eye after that encounter. But that was many chapters before Izanagi was revealed, so it makes perfect sense that Kishi left us in the dark about it at first. If Kishi really intended for Tobi to have used Izanagi there, than he could have made a simple reference to it when Danzou was dieing. He could have had Tobi quickly explain that Izanagi was in fact the secret he kept from Itachi.

Eh.... but either way you look at it, both possibilities are still open, but I honestly am leaning toward him using Izanagi to survive for now.

 

[Wolfang714]

Maybe he did use Izanagi.

 

[Uchiha Itachi4tw]

Heh first you deny it than realize the possibility was real... nice onexd.

The truth is, we do not know whether or not he survived amaterasu with space-time or Izanagi. Since we did not see his left eye afterward, the possibility will always be there that he used it to use Izanagi. Clearly there was enough time between than and his battle with Konan to replace a new eye, that much is for sure.

The biggest piece of evidence is that he stated the technique he used was secret even to Itachi. We know that Konan knew about his space time inside and out, yet knew nothing about Izanagi. It is highly logical to believe the same was true about Itachi. Having spent a lot of time with Tobi, Itachi would have been familiar with his S/T. Therefore, it is very logical to assume he DID use Izanagi to survive the encounter.

One thing that people cannot get passed is that he did not show a loss of an eye after that encounter. But that was many chapters before Izanagi was revealed, so it makes perfect sense that Kishi left us in the dark about it at first. If Kishi really intended for Tobi to have used Izanagi there, than he could have made a simple reference to it when Danzou was dieing. He could have had Tobi quickly explain that Izanagi was in fact the secret he kept from Itachi.

Eh.... but either way you look at it, both possibilities are still open, but I honestly am leaning toward him using Izanagi to survive for now.

You are absolutely right, especially about having more than enough time to replace his eye before fighting her. Although Sasuke took a while to recover from his implants he was upgrading to the EMS and Tobi could have simply been implanting a new one.

 

[Qcks]

This is kind of speculation all the way around.

It could have been Izanagi, assuming he can control it better then Danzo, which is likely true.

He could have easily split off and used another white Zetsu clone to regenerate, if he's dependent on Zetsu for his body (it's implied he is somehow, but it's not clear how).

I don't know if being immaterial would actually save him, but even that's kind of up in the air, since we don't actually know what the limit and strength of that eye tech is supposed to be. Sasuke spams it enough that if it's an inevitable death, there should be a lot of dead people by now.

We're not actually allowed to see anything during the Itachi eye trap scene and we're not told about how Tobi avoided it after the fact.

The only thing we know for sure is that Tobi had a way to avoid or counter it, but that's really kind of moot. We don't even have implications as to how he avoided or countered it, other then it's a secret.... which is basically Kishi telling us that he's not going to say one way or another.

Maybe Sasuke will know a little something about Tobi that will matter later on.

 

[jorgelius]

i will go over all post but for now, tobi did not lose it's light after using it againts konan nor amaterasu.. he perfected it, and anyway it's stated that eye lose it's light permanently and close for good, tobi now do have two functional eyes, right? yes it might be he transplanted them afterwards and some mistake made by kishi.. but for me it's pretty clear he did escape amaterasu with izanagi one proof is sound sfx: zwhooooo everytime he uses dimensional transfer or use his S/T techs but it didn't make a sound time when amaterasu burn him. other was it was clear hit, while it maked contact S/T jutsu can't save u. proof for that is that itachi think so. and both times it showed he should be dead by opponents knowing how to strike plan ahead etc, but both failed coz that secret wich is izanagi. how one could foresee that. and anyway im not sure did sage create bijuus with izanagi alone but what comes to madara, im pretty confident he use izanagi to "create" tobi wich have unique abilities like perfect body might be some variation of shodaime's tech use regeneration without seals. and zetsu is plan clone white half have techs unique to first other somewhat same to uchiha. too much to show that he wasnt just random shinobi.

izanagi must be yin yang release coz both genes are needed! therefore it can make shape and give life to it! and izanagi just make that dream reality, not just escape death that stands for perfecting it.