Nagato VS Itachi Uchia

[khaydz5]

Itachi's Susanoo IS the perfect defence due to his items (Yata Mirror) and a brilliant offence due to the Sword of Tsokuka. As Itachi's chakra reserves are that big, I would give it to Nagato. Also, as Itachi doesnt have prior knowledge, it would take him some time to figure out the real Nagato is none of the Peins.

I give it to Itachi (very,very close) as hes shown to be one of the most intelligent characters, highly perceptive and very, very skillful. His fight against Sasuke was one of the best so far, and he didnt even exert himself much as he didnt want to hurt the brother hes been protecting for the last 10 years or so. The guy was near death (illness), half blind and still matched Sasuke without even trying particularly hard. Orochimaru himself stated Itachi was stronger than him and Itachi absolutely pwned Oro 8/10 years ago. Based on achievements, what we have seen, and guessing individuals' true power, I would say Itachi has the upper hand.

Although, Pein is shown to have the Rinnegan and massive chakra reserves (able to control 6 bodies etc..). He is able to use some of the tech the Sage of Six Paths Himself used, which is damn impressive in its own right. Also, Im not sure if Susanoo can defend against Pein's giant meteor move.

Very close, but I give it to Nagato.

I don't think itachi will ever figure out what jiraiya figured out during their fight.

coz itachi never met this ninjas before... jiraiya only realized that nagato isn't there because he remembered the faces of this shinobi in his past.


this will allow NAGATO TO WIN EASILY.

come at me fanboys.

 

[The Eye]

nagato is better...get over it. dispite itachi soul sealing abilities you forgot nagato can do the same. itachi defense...so can nagato.

 

[Blaze Release]

I don't think itachi will ever figure out what jiraiya figured out during their fight.

coz itachi never met this ninjas before... jiraiya only realized that nagato isn't there because he remembered the faces of this shinobi in his past.


this will allow NAGATO TO WIN EASILY.

come at me fanboys.

I will shy away from a debate for now. But it seems you are talking about the 6 paths. Well the secret to them was that the real one (nagato) wasnt there. Now itachi when he met nagato wasnt surprised at all leading me to believe that he already knows nagato going by their relationship and response to each other. If he was to fight the paths, and knowing the secret he wouldnt waste his time on them but instead try and locate nagato

 

[khaydz5]

I will shy away from a debate for now. But it seems you are talking about the 6 paths. Well the secret to them was that the real one (nagato) wasnt there. Now itachi when he met nagato wasnt surprised at all leading me to believe that he already knows nagato going by their relationship and response to each other. If he was to fight the paths, and knowing the secret he wouldnt waste his time on them but instead try and locate nagato

well who knows? he might just realize that it must be nagato because of the rinnegan. not a proof imo.


and if in any miraculous case he does know nagato personally. I don't think six paths would let him find nagato that easily.

now i'll be searching the other nagato vs itachi thread.lol

 

[Blaze Release]

well who knows? he might just realize that it must be nagato because of the rinnegan. not a proof imo.


and if in any miraculous case he does know nagato personally. I don't think six paths would let him find nagato that easily.

now i'll be searching the other nagato vs itachi thread.lol

At the highlighted part its possible but the way they reacted to each other, clearly shows that they had some sort of relationship with each other. I do agree though that the paths wouldnt just sit there and allow itachi to locate nagato.

Anway as its been said by jiraiya, if ninjutsu doesnt work and taijutsu doesnt work, what works?. This will be key to defeating nagato. After all its genjutsu that allowed jiraiya to kill 3 paths. Ill withdraw for now, until the time is right to expand U_U

 

[Red Slayer]

Itachi ITACHIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII

 

[khaydz5]

At the highlighted part its possible but the way they reacted to each other, clearly shows that they had some sort of relationship with each other. I do agree though that the paths wouldnt just sit there and allow itachi to locate nagato.

Anway as its been said by jiraiya, if ninjutsu doesnt work and taijutsu doesnt work, what works?. This will be key to defeating nagato. After all its genjutsu that allowed jiraiya to kill 3 paths. Ill withdraw for now, until the time is right to expand U_U

nagato summons rain = no escape for itachi.

no one would ever know if itachi can genjutsu nagato himself via other paths.. itachi didn't even try to use genjutsu on edo nagato.

this fact might even indicate itachi knows it won't work <--possible.

I don't think we'll see itachi fight again, we've seen enough... based from the last chapter I think itachi will have a serious talk with his brother and sasuke's madness will kill him.

 

[Necron]

Search button would win this... U_U

 

[Blaze Release]

nagato summons rain = no escape for itachi.

no one would ever know if itachi can genjutsu nagato himself via other paths.. itachi didn't even try to use genjutsu on edo nagato.

this fact might even indicate itachi knows it won't work <--possible.

I don't think we'll see itachi fight again, we've seen enough... based from the last chapter I think itachi will have a serious talk with his brother and sasuke's madness will kill him.

At the highlighted part im disappointed in you. Just because he didnt use genjuts u hints nothing. Besides he wasnt in the frame. It was bee and naruto's fight. Im sure if it was stritly nagato vs itachi, his fighting style would be different. After all in all his 1 vs 1 fights he starts with genjutsu (oro, diedora, sasuke, naruto). To say he didnt use it on nagato means nothing.

Also its been noted that the paths have connected vision, meaning if one see's something they all see it. Now against kakashi, kakashi told asuma and kurenai not to look in his eyes because they would also get caught up in tsukuyomi. He repeated this again, but this time to chiyo, sakura and naruto. Going by the connected vision and kakashi's reaction is if fair to say if one path's gets caught in tsukuyomi they all get caught. Possible apart from naagto.

I believe kishi weakened itachi like nagato by giving them either an illness or a disability. We briefly saw what a healthy naagto can really do. Think kishi will repeat this for itachi

 

[khaydz5]

At the highlighted part im disappointed in you. Just because he didnt use genjuts u hints nothing. Besides he wasnt in the frame. It was bee and naruto's fight. Im sure if it was stritly nagato vs itachi, his fighting style would be different. After all in all his 1 vs 1 fights he starts with genjutsu (oro, diedora, sasuke, naruto). To say he didnt use it on nagato means nothing.

Also its been noted that the paths have connected vision, meaning if one see's something they all see it. Now against kakashi, kakashi told asuma and kurenai not to look in his eyes because they would also get caught up in tsukuyomi. He repeated this again, but this time to chiyo, sakura and naruto. Going by the connected vision and kakashi's reaction is if fair to say if one path's gets caught in tsukuyomi they all get caught. Possible apart from naagto.

I believe kishi weakened itachi like nagato by giving them either an illness or a disability. We briefly saw what a healthy naagto can really do. Think kishi will repeat this for itachi

like you said, itachi starts his fight with genjutsu, which he doesn't do to nagato alone. that should give you a hint.

kakashi's words can simply mean, they don't know who itachi might cast genjutsu upon so they needed to do that to AVOID it.

this has been debated before, i'm tired of explaining it again, just base the situation on jiraiya caught 3 paths on genjutsu. nagato hears the song, he wasn't affected. hope you get the point.

 

[Blaze Release]

like you said, itachi starts his fight with genjutsu, which he doesn't do to nagato alone. that should give you a hint.

kakashi's words can simply mean, they don't know who itachi might cast genjutsu upon so they needed to do that to AVOID it.

this has been debated before, i'm tired of explaining it again, just base the situation on jiraiya caught 3 paths on genjutsu. nagato hears the song, he wasn't affected. hope you get the point.

That isnt a hint at all. Not if you remember how that fight went. He was controlled from the start and when he broke free he stayed in the background. That was it.

Anyway itachi's prowess in genjutsu (which allowed jiraiya to defeat 3).
His tsukuyomi which was hinted can affected more people, but also going by the paths shared vision
Him knowing of nagato therefore he already knows the secret of the paths being the real one isnt there.
His totsuka sword which can seal those paths

All leads me to believe that this fight isnt as straight forward as people say it is. Also where did you get the idea that nagato heard the song and wasnt affected?, really disappointed in you. Nagato wasnt there, he was in a totally different location. He couldnt have heard the song.

Btw i did say i wouldnt go into much detail because ill shy away from this until we see what itachi can really do. For now what i will say is that if those paths gets killed they can be revived. But you see, if they all were to suffer tsukuyomi due to the shared vision and cannot bring themselves to get back up, the totsuka sword should seal there therefore not allowing nagato to revive them

 

[Genduko]

while they all do share a field of vision we cant just assume that all 6 paths could be caught if 1 of the paths was caught having the 6 paths transmitting chackra and having the rinnegan should be able to give him the clear in most genjutus , and jiraiya's gejutsu was technically a sound genjutsu soo that may have a stronger affect than most of itachis average genutsu's

 

[khaydz5]

That isnt a hint at all. Not if you remember how that fight went. He was controlled from the start and when he broke free he stayed in the background. That was it.

Anyway itachi's prowess in genjutsu (which allowed jiraiya to defeat 3).
His tsukuyomi which was hinted can affected more people, but also going by the paths shared vision
Him knowing of nagato therefore he already knows the secret of the paths being the real one isnt there.
His totsuka sword which can seal those paths

All leads me to believe that this fight isnt as straight forward as people say it is. Also where did you get the idea that nagato heard the song and wasnt affected?, really disappointed in you. Nagato wasnt there, he was in a totally different location. He couldnt have heard the song.

Btw i did say i wouldnt go into much detail because ill shy away from this until we see what itachi can really do. For now what i will say is that if those paths gets killed they can be revived. But you see, if they all were to suffer tsukuyomi due to the shared vision and cannot bring themselves to get back up, the totsuka sword should seal there therefore not allowing nagato to revive them

dude..his paths hear the song that is why they were affected. what his paths hear he also hear that is why he is able to communicate via paths. I can't believe you didn't know that.

tsukoyomi being able to affect multiple people at once is non-sense. no one ever did that in the manga. even koto amatsukami is not capable of that.

and I just wanted to add, if you are greatly basing your facts on other ninja's statement I think chiyo already did a statement that will counter kakashi's.. if it is against sharingan, number is a factor. if you are alone run, if you have a buddy with you fight. which in this case nagato has 6.

 

[Blaze Release]

dude..his paths hear the song that is why they were affected. what his paths hear he also hear that is why he is able to communicate via paths. I can't believe you didn't know that.

tsukoyomi being able to affect multiple people at once is non-sense. no one ever did that in the manga. even koto amatsukami is not capable of that.

and I just wanted to add, if you are greatly basing your facts on other ninja's statement I think chiyo already did a statement that will counter kakashi's.. if it is against sharingan, number is a factor. if you are alone run, if you have a buddy with you fight. which in this case nagato has 6.

Nagato wasnt affected because he himself did hear it. Similarly nagato himself wasnt killed when his paths was killed because he wasnt there
If i can remember deva path said that if he knew of our secret he wouldve won or something along those lines. That translate to me at least, that if jiraiya had used the genjutsu on nagato instead of his paths, thats nagato dead. Unless you are trying to say that nagato is immune to that genjutsu or that nonsense about him being immune to genjutsu in general.

About tsukuyomi again, ive already told you what kakashi told, kurenai, chiyo, asuma and naruto. Why do you think asuma and kurenai closed their eyes. Similarly why do you think kakashi told chiyo, sakura and naruto to use gai's counter instead. You are denying it as if you know that could bring the downfall to the paths. You using KA as an excuse is disappointing. Tsukuyomi and KA are completely different.

At the highlighted part, chiyo did say this but kakashi countered and said in the case of a normal sharigan user her plan might work. This is when kakashi went into abit more detail and told them about gai's counter.

Dont get me wrong here the paths are favourites, but a win isnt guaranteed due to the previous posts ive made.

 

[Mygenjutsu]

lol start a thread but you already knows who win without good arguments you fail....

 

[Thewhiteflash]

Both have no prior knowledge to each other or each others abilities Both are in good condition

Both have the intent to kill the other

Nagato ( Nagato doesn't have to be using the 6 paths )
VS
Itachi Uchia

Im going to go with pain on this one simply because itachi doesn't know the real body isnt among the 6 paths.

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if i agree with you would you close this thread ?

 

[Raito]

no one would ever know if itachi can genjutsu nagato himself via other paths.. itachi didn't even try to use genjutsu on edo nagato.

Nagato was controlled by Kabuto. How a Genjutsu would work on a person which has no intellect and is just controlled by another.

 

[khaydz5]

Nagato wasnt affected because he himself did hear it. Similarly nagato himself wasnt killed when his paths was killed because he wasnt there
If i can remember deva path said that if he knew of our secret he wouldve won or something along those lines. That translate to me at least, that if jiraiya had used the genjutsu on nagato instead of his paths, thats nagato dead. Unless you are trying to say that nagato is immune to that genjutsu or that nonsense about him being immune to genjutsu in general.

About tsukuyomi again, ive already told you what kakashi told, kurenai, chiyo, asuma and naruto. Why do you think asuma and kurenai closed their eyes. Similarly why do you think kakashi told chiyo, sakura and naruto to use gai's counter instead. You are denying it as if you know that could bring the downfall to the paths. You using KA as an excuse is disappointing. Tsukuyomi and KA are completely different.

At the highlighted part, chiyo did say this but kakashi countered and said in the case of a normal sharigan user her plan might work. This is when kakashi went into abit more detail and told them about gai's counter.

Dont get me wrong here the paths are favourites, but a win isnt guaranteed due to the previous posts ive made.

I don't think you're getting the point..
nagato hears what the paths hear, same goes to his vision. that is why he can communicate with others using his paths. whats hard to understand with that.

I already told you my answer on the bolded part. they wont know who will itachi might attack with tsukuyomi/genjutsu, thats how kakashi came up with that counter.

tsukuyomi and KA are both genjutsu from an uchiha. its not entirely different.

Nagato was controlled by Kabuto. How a Genjutsu would work on a person which has no intellect and is just controlled by another.

KA already justified that.

 

[Blaze Release]

I don't think you're getting the point..
nagato hears what the paths hear, same goes to his vision. that is why he can communicate with others using his paths. whats hard to understand with that.

tsukuyomi and KA are both genjutsu from an uchiha. its not entirely different.

I cannot remember how we got to why nagato wasnt affected by the sound genjutsu. What i do remember is that i didnt say he could get affected by tsukuyomi, needless to say it the paths was to eat a tsukuyomi and get sealed after with the totsuka sword thats enough.

KA and tsukuyomi might be an uchiha genjutsu but the way in which they work are different. Thought that was obvious

 

[Raito]

KA already justified that.

Not at all. Itachi was under Edo Tenseis control but still had his own mind. Nagato was nothing but a roboter who was controlled. He has not perceived the surroundings at all, even when Naruto asked him something he didn't respond on him. It's like a marionette. Even if Itachi would destroy Nagatos mind with Tsukuyomi, Nagato would still move under Kabutos control.

And don't forget that Kotoamatsukami is the ultimately control, an even stronger control than Edo Tensei.