A theory to support why Tobi failed to use genjutsu against Minato

[sunnex]

Haa I was suppose to quote you ispeak, or whatever your avatar name is. Anyway let me brief you some fact, sasuke tried to use genjutsu on the 4th raikage but he cant cos of the 4th raikage speed and lightning armor. As brief by shee, he said" lord raikage has manipulated lightning style chakra to augment his reflexes not even the sharingan will be able to keep up with him? From this statement I believe you will understand what I'm trying to say. I've always believe in prevention and is better than cure. I don't know if minato can break out of genjutsu but what I believe is that he cant be caught in it.

 

[warlee]

Firstly, i would like to tell you what yin and yang means. Yang is the physical energy and yin is the spiritual energy, every ninja have both. If go back to chapter 3-4 where kakashi talk about chanellin & molding both to create a tech. Not every tech is affectd by the proportion of yin yang and kakashi and sakura talk about one being much than the other in your chakra, either you have more yin than yang e.g uchiha clan or yang than yin e.g senju clan and this apply to every ninja it's either your yin is much than yang or vice versa and those that have equal of both & the only ppl that master yin yang in the series are
1, rikudou sennin
2, tobi
3, nagato
4, madara
5, danzo
and even then they can still get trapped in genjutsu. And lastly mastering yin and yang don't mean you won't be trapped in genjutsu. I believe you understand my point.

 

[iSpeak]

Haa I was suppose to quote you ispeak, or whatever your avatar name is. Anyway let me brief you some fact, sasuke tried to use genjutsu on the 4th raikage but he cant cos of the 4th raikage speed and lightning armor. As brief by shee, he said" lord raikage has manipulated lightning style chakra to augment his reflexes not even the sharingan will be able to keep up with him? From this statement I believe you will understand what I'm trying to say. I've always believe in prevention and is better than cure. I don't know if minato can break out of genjutsu but what I believe is that he cant be caught in it.

Well what about Gaara, Mei, Mifune, etc. Why didn't Tobi use genjutsu on Konan from the start? There are so many similar questions like these. People fail to realise that this is Manga. As much as Kishi wants to make the fight scenes "realistic", there are going to be situations where this character could have done this move instead.

 

[ajpn920]

we are discussing a fictional character so logic in manga is invalid until the manga itself involving logic, going against the plot is the same as defying the author itselfU_U

No. Logic is needed in every discussion. We are using a fictional character to discuss something but we are real people worthy of using common sense and logic to back up our claims. How good a discussion is if the other side does not make any sense and can't provide logical reasons.

 

[ajpn920]

Well what about Gaara, Mei, Mifune, etc. Why didn't Tobi use genjutsu on Konan from the start? There are so many similar questions like these. People fail to realise that this is Manga. As much as Kishi wants to make the fight scenes "realistic", there are going to be situations where this character could have done this move instead.

what about them? are you asking why tobi didn't use genjutsu on them? if you remember chiyo's advise given to naruto then that will help answer your question. As for Konan, it depends on Tobi's purpose. Is Tobi's purpose the time when he fought Minato the same with Konan? If you know Tobi's purpose the time when he attacked Konoha then it definitely not the same with Konan.

 

[Totsuka No Tsurugi]

No. Logic is needed in every discussion. We are using a fictional character to discuss something but we are real people worthy of using common sense and logic to back up our claims. How good a discussion is if the other side does not make any sense and can't provide logical reasons.

listen, to back up your argument about manga character u can't use your personal opinion alone,

instead go get a manga page and the databook that can support your argument, we go by the manga and databook not by what you think.

 

[sunnex]

Well what about Gaara, Mei, Mifune, etc. Why didn't Tobi use genjutsu on Konan from the start? There are so many similar questions like these. People fail to realise that this is Manga. As much as Kishi wants to make the fight scenes "realistic", there are going to be situations where this character could have done this move instead.

Konan is part of akatsuki, she might probably knew about tobi sharingan moreover she's a mid range fighter and I don't think she make an eye contact while she was fighting tobi.

 

[ajpn920]

not all genjutsu is of the ying type.

itachis and shisuis specifically isn't of the ying nature.

the 2nd mizukages is.

so this argument fails

Is that all you can think? wow..definitely a genius..:flaw: You can't give a detailed explanation as to why my argument failed...nice try dude

 

[Orochimaruwantsyourbody]

A principle that states two techniques of the same nature would cancel each other out if the same amount of chakra was put into them.

I want manga evidence of this.It sounds as though you are using real life logic here,which is not qualified by extension.​

 

[iSpeak]

what about them? are you asking why tobi didn't use genjutsu on them? if you remember chiyo's advise given to naruto then that will help answer your question. As for Konan, it depends on Tobi's purpose. Is Tobi's purpose the time when he fought Minato the same with Konan? If you know Tobi's purpose the time when he attacked Konoha then it definitely not the same with Konan.

Mei boxed her and Sasuke in so it was a 1 on 1 situation. There was nobody there to get her out of the genjutsu.
Anyway, Sasuke has shown to use genjutsu on a person with people to help them break out (such as on C). There is nothing to stop him from using it.
Tobi's purpose was to find Nagato's body... he used it at the end of the fight when he could have easily used it at the beginning to get the information.
You need to realise these types of things happen in the Manga. If Kishi say's that Minato is immune to genjutsu, then cool. But the 'evidence' you gave to support your theory is very weak.

 

[ajpn920]

listen, to back up your argument about manga character u can't use your personal opinion alone,

instead go get a manga page and the databook that can support your argument, we go by the manga and databook not by what you think.

ahahah..you're very funny man...support the plot thing with databook...can you do that? if you can go back several pages and read all your post then maybe you can do something like this....:rofl:

 

[ajpn920]

Mei boxed her and Sasuke in so it was a 1 on 1 situation. There was nobody there to get her out of the genjutsu.
Anyway, Sasuke has shown to use genjutsu on a person with people to help them break out (such as on C). There is nothing to stop him from using it.
Tobi's purpose was to find Nagato's body... he used it at the end of the fight when he could have easily used it at the beginning to get the information.
You need to realise these types of things happen in the Manga. If Kishi say's that Minato is immune to genjutsu, then cool. But the 'evidence' you gave to support your theory is very weak.

Weak? are you kidding me? then what do you call your claim that it was a plot? a strong one? Damn man...very disappointing...calling a theory weak that was supported with something is not a wise thing to do. you're giving me an impression that you're not a smart man.

 

[Totsuka No Tsurugi]

ahahah..you're very funny man...support the plot thing with databook...can you do that? if you can go back several pages and read all your post then maybe you can do something like this....:rofl:

the one who responsible for the plot and plot shield is kishimoto, that's enough prove to conclude my argument,

what about your logic ?

 

[iSpeak]

Konan is part of akatsuki, she might probably knew about tobi sharingan moreover she's a mid range fighter and I don't think she make an eye contact while she was fighting tobi.

Konan made eye contact with him plenty of times.

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[FlyingThunderGodHax]

Tobi genjutsu is not either on itachi or the 3rd mizukages level

So controlling the fox via genjutsu isn't a good enough feat to put him up their with the best
-_-. Come on man think!!! So far only him and uchiha madara have been known to control the fox via genjutsu. So yeah i think you can put him up their with the best

 

[iSpeak]

Weak? are you kidding me? then what do you call your claim that it was a plot? a strong one? Damn man...very disappointing...calling a theory weak that was supported with something is not a wise thing to do. you're giving me an impression that you're not a smart man.

Well, the whole Yin-Yang thing doesn't have enough to support it, plus the fact that Yin-Yang users have been hit by a genjutsu.
You don't realise theory's work. If you come up with a theory, you have to be the one to prove it correct. I don't need to disprove it... and so far, you haven't given enough evidence to do so.
Your grounds for Minato being immune to genjutsu is that Tobi never used it, and I have brought up many similar situations. If you say it for Minato, you have to say it for the rest of them aswell.

 

[ajpn920]

the one who responsible for the plot and plot shield is kishimoto, that's enough prove to conclude my argument,

what about your logic ?

You can read my post. If you can't determine the logic behind it then it's your loss. Now my question, where is your logic? I did not say that there is no plot in a manga. There is a plot and a hint at the same time. we can look both of them and from there, analyze things that has the most logical reason. I can't find logical reason with a plot. Even you and the others that supported this "plot" thing can't give any reasons. Anyways, that's your opinion so I will respect that.

 

[ajpn920]

Well, the whole Yin-Yang thing doesn't have enough to support it, plus the fact that Yin-Yang users have been hit by a genjutsu.
You don't realise theory's work. If you come up with a theory, you have to be the one to prove it correct. I don't need to disprove it... and so far, you haven't given enough evidence to do so.
Your grounds for Minato being immune to genjutsu is that Tobi never used it, and I have brought up many similar situations. If you say it for Minato, you have to say it for the rest of them aswell.

Did I say Minato is immune to genjutsu? I did not say that. Please read my post again. No one is immune to a genjutsu.

 

[Necron]

Oh man... here it goes again... ~~~

Can you minato fanboys just STFU for just ONE FREAKING DAY!!!!

I've had more than enough to see "minato this, minato that, minato pissis this way, minato likes it hard" etc... F*ck minato. He is a dead char, never coming back from the dead. The best thing he could do to protect his village was to suicide, in order to seal HALF of a Biju in the Shinigami, wile his son beated 5 of them... So, for one day, just stop geting all excited over minato, and let people enjoy this forum... Seriously, you are getting really anoying...

Minato was a strong kage, possibly the 6th or 7th strongest ever to live. But there are people far above kage level, worthing more your admiration.

and, because people are gonna try and argue with me for him being 6 or 7, take a good look at this:

Hashirama
3rd raikage
Tobirama
Muu
2nd Mizukage
A (today, with 16 years of more experiance than when he faced him first time)(arguably)
minato


so, just one day without mentioning minato. Is that too much to ask for?

 

[iSpeak]

Did I say Minato is immune to genjutsu? I did not say that. Please read my post again. No one is immune to a genjutsu.

It doesn't prove he can't be trapped inside it either. And I am sure I have seen you say Minato is immune to genjutsu.