A theory to support why Tobi failed to use genjutsu against Minato

[ajpn920]

look there you go again ignoring plot and decided to change it into a hint

we already told u what the answer but apparently u don't want to listen if it don't suit ur opinion,

kishomoto has been using plot shield since the manga start, that was in order to entertain the readers so it won't be boring and lame,

for example
Edo Deidara can easily spam C0 and kill all ppl in the war but kishi don't make him do that since it will be boring,
Edo Madara can also spam that meteor to destroy the 5th kage but nah kishi didn't do that
Current Naruto was said to be able to sense malicious/evil/killing intent from miles away, with that he can easily find sasuke but kishi don't do that since it will kill the excitement
and there is itachi when j-man appear in to save naruto, if we are using ur so called logic itachi can amaterasu j-man or tsukoyomi, but it will be lame if someone like j-man got owned by a new character like itachi,

so the answer is plot shield and kishimoto is responsible for that, its sad since u use kishimoto quote while u deny what kishimoto did in his manga

Don't think so mate. If we go by logic, we must use all available info we have. We can't just say that was a plot because it could go either way. There is no logic behind PLOT but there is if we look it as a HINT.

 

[izinagi54]

u know what i think kishi talked about doing a minato spinoff

 

[devojoyti halder]

You know that ninjutsu uses chakra right? types of chakra used to make ninjutsu are shape and and nature transformation. Just analyze where FTG would be if it is not a shape transformation then will determine it's affinity.

then, summoning jutsu, thats a ninjutsu, yes, it consumes chakra, more chakra, bigger summon. so whats that chakra's affinity?

FTG is a type of contract summoning seal. you know that ftg requires special ftg kunai or tag. If thats a yin yang release, then minato would be flying anywhere like tobi, but he is'nt.

The tag on ftg is a type of contract seal, minato uses his own chakra to teleport himself or other things to other tagged areas, its just like reverse summoning(when he teleports himself) and summoning(when he teleports other object).

 

[ajpn920]

very nice

tnx mate

u know what i think kishi talked about doing a minato spinoff

that would be great. I think when that time comes it will answer all mysteries..

 

[ajpn920]

then, summoning jutsu, thats a ninjutsu, yes, it consumes chakra, more chakra, bigger summon. so whats that chakra's affinity?

FTG is a type of contract summoning seal. you know that ftg requires special ftg kunai or tag. If thats a yin yang release, then minato would be flying anywhere like tobi, but he is'nt.

The tag on ftg is a type of contract seal, minato uses his own chakra to teleport himself or other things to other tagged areas, its just like reverse summoning(when he teleports himself) and summoning(when he teleports other object).

Please don't be confused with FTG and summonings. Just think about FTG and nothing else to enlighten your mind. You know that FTG is a ninjutsu, so from here you can analyze what FTG is made of.

 

[Totsuka No Tsurugi]

Don't think so mate. If we go by logic, we must use all available info we have. We can't just say that was a plot because it could go either way. There is no logic behind PLOT but there is if we look it as a HINT.

and there is no manga without plot, plot shield was used by the author in order to protect the story line, if u want to use logic all the time then the manga would have ended a long time agoU_U

 

[ganotsri]

Good job.
Agree in general. But as for S/T element it is speculation at list for now.
And for all who said about spaming jutsu by EDO akatuki and Madara. They have repairable body not stamina. So their chakra should be the same it was. And thei need exact same time to restore it. So this is speculation to say: Hey Deidara do not killed every one by C0 cause it wouldn't be interesting. He just can't.

 

[ajpn920]

and there is no manga without plot, plot shield was used by the author in order to protect the story line, if u want to use logic all the time then the manga would have ended a long time agoU_U

There is a plot and there is a hint. If we go by your logic then this story is all plot because you will not consider something as a hint. try to look both ways and analyze which from the two will give us the most logical reason.

Good job.
Agree in general. But as for S/T element it is speculation at list for now.
And for all who said about spaming jutsu by EDO akatuki and Madara. They have repairable body not stamina. So their chakra should be the same it was. And thei need exact same time to restore it. So this is speculation to say: Hey Deidara do not killed every one by C0 cause it wouldn't be interesting. He just can't.

Absolutely. This is a speculation but with something to support. Not a speculation without even a tiniest support.

 

[Totsuka No Tsurugi]

Good job.
Agree in general. But as for S/T element it is speculation at list for now.
And for all who said about spaming jutsu by EDO akatuki and Madara. They have repairable body not stamina. So their chakra should be the same it was. And thei need exact same time to restore it. So this is speculation to say: Hey Deidara do not killed every one by C0 cause it wouldn't be interesting. He just can't.

kishimoto himself said in the latest interview that deidara can spam C0 in edo formU_U

There is a plot and there is a hint. If we go by your logic then this story is all plot because you will not consider something as a hint. try to look both ways and analyze which from the two will give us the most logical reason.

yes this entire manga is all build up with plot that's what all the manga do

 

[devojoyti halder]

Please don't be confused with FTG and summonings. Just think about FTG and nothing else to enlighten your mind. You know that FTG is a ninjutsu, so from here you can analyze what FTG is made of.

Oh c'mon, there is no confusion. they both are related. As i told you, ftg is made of teleportation using contract seals. No elemental chakra is needed here, only normal chakra.

Its related with summoning jutsu.....thats why i tried to xplain it with its relation.

 

[warlee]

Op theory really got me laughing. Minato master ying and yang huh? :rofl: really? only rinnengan users and ppl w/ both uchiha and senju cell are able to do that. So because itachi never use genjutsu on jiraiya and used on his other opponent make jiraiya immune? And what is it that make him immune? You can't find an answer. And 1 thing i don't like about members on this site is when a theory sounds good and favours their favourites they loose their sense of logic.

 

[ajpn920]

kishimoto himself said in the latest interview that deidara can spam C0 in edo formU_U





yes this entire manga is all build up with plot that's what all the manga do

we're not arguing about that. I'm just trying to figure out what gives the most logical reason. A plot or a hint. That's all.....

Oh c'mon, there is no confusion. they both are related. As i told you, ftg is made of teleportation using contract seals. No elemental chakra is needed here, only normal chakra.

Its related with summoning jutsu.....thats why i tried to xplain it with its relation.

You just said it. they are related but not the same. Anyways, we're trying to figure out what give the most logical reason behind the Minato vs Tobi fight. Is it a plot or a hint? I consider it as a hint and supported it by determining what FTG is made of.

 

[ajpn920]

Op theory really got me laughing. Minato master ying and yang huh? :rofl: really? only rinnengan users and ppl w/ both uchiha and senju cell are able to do that. So because itachi never use genjutsu on jiraiya and used on his other opponent make jiraiya immune? And what is it that make him immune? You can't find an answer.

It's you who can't find an answer. try to begin questioning yourself why tobi failed to use genjutsu against Minato? As for the FTG being YIN YANG, there is no other way to analyze it. If you can analyze what FTG is made of, please feel free to let us know.

 

[Totsuka No Tsurugi]

we're not arguing about that. I'm just trying to figure out what gives the most logical reason. A plot or a hint. That's all.....

if naruto wasn't a manga then i'll go by logic but apparently it was a manga and the plot shield was made by the author, so i'll go for the plot shield.

 

[LolaxXx]

No. If we go by LOGIC then it's unlikely that Tobi won't use genjutsu because it defeats his purpose and we know what Tobi's purpose is.

A speculation but with something to support. I believe there's two kind of speculation. A weak and strong type

Here's an example:

1. Minato has fire element: Absolutely a poor one because there is nothing to support this speculation.

2. Minato has wind: A strong one because of the hints given.

Hints:
A. Jiraiya said that Minato was a shrewd person, and was not a man who would do something without reason

B. Attempted to stab A using a kunai when A is using a lightning shroud.

C. Wind is greater than lightning.

If we add A+B+C, then there's a high possibility that Minato had wind element. This is speculation but a strong one.

Try to compare the two examples and you know what I mean. If someone will say, Minato can easily be trapped by a genjutsu, then he is speculating and of weak type. Why? because there is no evidence even the tiniest one to support that claim.

Keyword, Specualtion. Not a single FACT given to say that Minato is immune. You COULD be right. But I highly doubt it as much as I doubt Sakura getting sharingan, or Pakkun using transformation jutsu is Tobi

 

[ajpn920]

if naruto wasn't a manga then i'll go by logic but apparently it was a manga and the plot shield was made the author, so i'll go for the plot shield.

I can't think of a story that is all plot. It would not be that interesting if the story is all plot. Can we even discuss something if we knew that the story is all plot? In every story, there is always a hint. Hints are the reason why we can think something in advance.

Keyword, Specualtion. Not a single FACT given to say that Minato is immune. You COULD be right. But I highly doubt it as much as I doubt Sakura getting sharingan, or Pakkun using transformation jutsu is Tobi

I'm not denying that I'm speculating but my speculation was supported by something to support my claim about the minato vs tobi fight. If we consider it as a plot, is there any logical reason behind it?

 

[warlee]

It's you who can't find an answer. try to begin questioning yourself why tobi failed to use genjutsu against Minato? As for the FTG being YIN YANG, there is no other way to analyze it. If you can analyze what FTG is made of, please feel free to let us know.

first i will restate something. Only those w/ rinnengan and those w/ both uchiha and senju cell are able to master yin and yang. Secondly you logic is flawed ftg is summoning ppl or oneself from one self to another how does that make him a yin yang user he hasn't even show an element talkless of mastering yin yang. And by your logic every summoner master yin yang.

 

[Totsuka No Tsurugi]

I can't think of a story that is all plot. It would not be that interesting if the story is all plot. Can we even discuss something if we knew that the story is all plot? In every story, there is always a hint. Hints are the reason why we can think something in advance.

look kishimoto made naruto storyline with imagination and take some reference from other manga, and there is no such thing like perfect storyline, there is always a flaw as the story goes, then how will the author cover that up ?

the answer is plot since if the author continue his story with logic then the entire manga is all messed up, and plot shield is required to cover the flaw and there is nothing wrong with that, since it was manga after all its fiction, the author and editor is the God.

 

[warlee]

Let me ask u this question again. What makes him immune?
Your answer= because tobi didn't use it against him. Even ppl w/ rinnengan, sharingan and even tailbeast are not immune they may break out but they are still caught so what is it that minato have that make immune? Is he a robot? No chakra system?

 

[ajpn920]

first i will restate something. Only those w/ rinnengan and those w/ both uchiha and senju cell are able to master yin and yang. Secondly you logic is flawed ftg is summoning ppl or oneself from one self to another how does that make him a yin yang user he hasn't even show an element talkless of mastering yin yang. And by your logic every summoner master yin yang.

They are related but are they the same? Being related does not equate to being the same. Why are you confused with FTG and summoning? As i've said, try to figure out what FTG is made of. You know that it is a ninjutsu. From here, try to exercise your analytical skill. BTW, can you provide a different analysis about FTG?