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Izuna Uchiha's life, along with many other characters in Naruto, has thus far remained clouded by Mystery. In this thread I will try to clear up any queries about Izuna and I'll also explain my own personal theory as to what actually happened to him.

So what do we know about Izuna?

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Well, Eighty years prior to the start of the series, Izuna and his older brother Madara were said to be equals as the most gifted members of the Uchiha clan.

I think that this is a very important point that some people often forget; Izuna was equal to MS Madara, making him a very powerful shinobi. The Mangekyo Sharingan meant he would've been able to use techniques such as Susanoo and Amaterasu. This will be of importance later on in the thread.

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Izuna and his brother Madara:
-Both awakened their Sharingan early in life
-Became the first Uchiha to awaken the Mangekyō Sharingan
-Usually competed with each other every day in order to get stronger.

When Madara eventually went blind, he took Izuna's eyes to regain his sight.

Now, Itachi Uchiha suggested that his eyes had been taken by force; However, Tobi insisted that Izuna had willingly given up his eyes for the good of his brother and the whole clan, seeing that Madara needed to remain strong to protect the clan from its growing number of enemies.

However, notice in the manga how Tobi reacts when he explains the eyes were given willingly:

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He clenches his arms which suggests that perhaps Itachi was telling the truth and Tobi was lying.....

Anyhow, we are then led to believe that Izuna later died in battle:

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Now for my theory on what has become of Izuna:

I believe that there are 3 possibilities which could be plausible when it comes to suggesting what happened to Izuna.

1. Izuna is Tobi
Now, this is a very controversial idea, however I know that there are alot of people on Narutobase who feel that this could be the case. Izuna was said to be born with exceptionally strong chakra, even for an Uchiha member. It's Possible that he could've faked his own death in order to trick people into believing he couldn't be Tobi. Madara could've probably lent him some of Hashirama's DNA which could explain why Tobi has survived for so long (why he is just a 'shell' of his former self) and why he can rebuild body parts using white Zetsu (who is also made up of Hashirama DNA)

This could explain why Tobi can handle the Rinnegan, which uses excessive amounts of chakra. Also, consider the possibility that Tobi is going to betray Madara's original plan. I sense in the Manga he has been acting quite irratically and impatiently. He may be tired of being Madara's 'sidekick' and may be ready to seize power himself. It links in with the Idea that Izuna might be fed up of following his brother's orders, which would've been along the lines of "get Nagato to use Rinne Tensei and revive me at a later date".

Some people may say 'why didn't Tobi just use the Rinnegan in the first place; why use Nagato?' Well, it may be that Madara knew entrusting the Rinnegan directly to Tobi would've meant Tobi would be stronger than him and thus Madara would lose a degree of control over him. Tobi only took the rinnegan after Nagato had died (after betraying him and using Rinne Tensei on the leaf when it was supposed to be for Tobi's purposes); He never thought Nagato/Pain could be beaten by any shinobi at the present time.

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Tobi's one goal seems to be the completion of Madara's Moon's eye plan; this could be Izuna showing his commitment to Madara's cause (well he's pretty committed to his brother considering he willingly sacriced his eyes). Interestingly, whilst Madara was rivalled by Hashirama, have you ever considered Izuna was rivalled by Tobirama? This could lead to why he calls himself 'Tobi' and uses S/T jutsu (something the second hokage was famous for). Coincidence? Could the 2 older brothers and the 2 younger brothers all be rivals? Even though they were enemies there is always a high degree of respect between opponents, possibly why Izuna named himself Tobi, after Tobirama Senju.:shrug:

2. Izuna (Considering that he is NOT Tobi) is very much dead but may soon be revived via Edo Tensei by Kabuto. This idea may also be far fetched considering it would be very difficult for Kabuto to get primary DNA straight from Izuna's body. But what about Madara's eyes? If they once belonged to Izuna, wouldn't they have traces of his DNA in them? This could therefore allow Kabuto to resurrect him. It would make sense because a ninja of his strength would surely be a valuable asset for Kabuto. Could we see this in the Manga soon?

3. Finally, Izuna (Considering that he is NOT Tobi) may soon be revived by Madara using Rinne Tensei (with his newly aquirred Rinnegan) so that they can bump off Tobi and complete the plan by themselves. I know, this is extremely FARFETCHED. However, remember in the manga when Kabuto said that fake Madara may not act as planned:

We know Madara and Tobi are definately aquainatances:

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But does he trust Tobi now that Kabuto has said this:

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This could leave the door open to Edo Madara, Kabuto and possibly a resurrected Izuna betraying Tobi. However, I find this theory the least likely of the 3. I just find it wierd a ninja of his calibre (and Shisui aswell) have not made a single physical appearance.

Anyway, these were just my thoughts on Izuna and various possibilities about him. Thoughts?:shrug:
 
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Izuna had an MS as well by the way. He awakened it right after Madara did.
I have a thread similar to this explaining why Tobi is still most likely Madara in some way.

Nice work. +reps
 

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Izuna had an MS as well by the way. He awakened it right after Madara did.
I have a thread similar to this explaining why Tobi is still most likely Madara in some way.

Nice work. +reps

Thanksxd
 

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Izuna as Tobi? It's plausible. I personally think it's Obito. Kakashi has Obito's other eye ... As for the arm clenching I think it was because the Senju offered a truce thus making Izuna's sacrifice vain.
 

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you explained urself well +rep :
But : if you are going to make Such Conclusions jjust by having some Evidence like these : Well there's another Theory wich i heard :
Tobi is Nth but the remains of the Ten tails : Evidences :
1- " I'm no one : all what i care about is Accomplishing the Tsuki no me " : which is true : Tobi now is Merely Nth ; but he will be Smth when He combines the Bijuus ! tht's y he's collecting them
2- Collecting A Normal Sharingan in an eye - and A rinnegan in the Other : Combined Together = results the Juubi 's Eye
3- i heard such a Proposition that "To" means Ten in japanese + bi means Tails = Easy enough to get Ten tails : um not sure though.

Still they all Remain "Theories" (A)
 

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Izuna as Tobi? It's plausible. I personally think it's Obito. Kakashi has Obito's other eye ... As for the arm clenching I think it was because the Senju offered a truce thus making Izuna's sacrifice vain.

So Obito fought the 4th Hokage the night Naruto was born? I think not....
 

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nice theory , i gree with right now i think most possibilties is on tobi being izuna.
 

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+ rep for sure , i considered tobi as kagami but you just convinced me otherwise , well put , one of the best threads iv seen
 

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Great theory....I really do believe that Izuna is Tobi IMO. +1 rep :cool:
 

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you explained urself well +rep :
But : if you are going to make Such Conclusions jjust by having some Evidence like these : Well there's another Theory wich i heard :
Tobi is Nth but the remains of the Ten tails : Evidences :
1- " I'm no one : all what i care about is Accomplishing the Tsuki no me " : which is true : Tobi now is Merely Nth ; but he will be Smth when He combines the Bijuus ! tht's y he's collecting them
2- Collecting A Normal Sharingan in an eye - and A rinnegan in the Other : Combined Together = results the Juubi 's Eye
3- i heard such a Proposition that "To" means Ten in japanese + bi means Tails = Easy enough to get Ten tails : um not sure though.

Still they all Remain "Theories" (A)

Yes, but Tobi wanted to control Ten-Tails and become the jinchuuriki of it. He can't really do that if he is part of the Ten-tails.
 

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Awesome theories! Never really contemplated them as much until now, and they all make some sense.
 

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Izuna Uchiha's life, along with many other characters in Naruto, has thus far remained clouded by Mystery. In this thread I will try to clear up any queries about Izuna and I'll also explain my own personal theory as to what actually happened to him.

So what do we know about Izuna?

You must be registered for see images

Well, Eighty years prior to the start of the series, Izuna and his older brother Madara were said to be equals as the most gifted members of the Uchiha clan.

I think that this is a very important point that some people often forget; Izuna was equal to MS Madara, making him a very powerful shinobi. The Mangekyo Sharingan meant he would've been able to use techniques such as Susanoo and Amaterasu. This will be of importance later on in the thread.

You must be registered for see images

Izuna and his brother Madara:
-Both awakened their Sharingan early in life
-Became the first Uchiha to awaken the Mangekyō Sharingan
-Usually competed with each other every day in order to get stronger.

When Madara eventually went blind, he took Izuna's eyes to regain his sight.

Now, Itachi Uchiha suggested that his eyes had been taken by force; However, Tobi insisted that Izuna had willingly given up his eyes for the good of his brother and the whole clan, seeing that Madara needed to remain strong to protect the clan from its growing number of enemies.

However, notice in the manga how Tobi reacts when he explains the eyes were given willingly:

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He clenches his arms which suggests that perhaps Itachi was telling the truth and Tobi was lying.....

Anyhow, we are then led to believe that Izuna later died in battle:

You must be registered for see images

Now for my theory on what has become of Izuna:

I believe that there are 3 possibilities which could be plausible when it comes to suggesting what happened to Izuna.

1. Izuna is Tobi
Now, this is a very controversial idea, however I know that there are alot of people on Narutobase who feel that this could be the case. Izuna was said to be born with exceptionally strong chakra, even for an Uchiha member. It's Possible that he could've faked his own death in order to trick people into believing he couldn't be Tobi. Madara could've probably lent him some of Hashirama's DNA which could explain why Tobi has survived for so long (why he is just a 'shell' of his former self) and why he can rebuild body parts using white Zetsu (who is also made up of Hashirama DNA)

This could explain why Tobi can handle the Rinnegan, which uses excessive amounts of chakra. Also, consider the possibility that Tobi is going to betray Madara's original plan. I sense in the Manga he has been acting quite irratically and impatiently. He may be tired of being Madara's 'sidekick' and may be ready to seize power himself. It links in with the Idea that Izuna might be fed up of following his brother's orders, which would've been along the lines of "get Nagato to use Rinne Tensei and revive me at a later date".

Some people may say 'why didn't Tobi just use the Rinnegan in the first place; why use Nagato?' Well, it may be that Madara knew entrusting the Rinnegan directly to Tobi would've meant Tobi would be stronger than him and thus Madara would lose a degree of control over him. Tobi only took the rinnegan after Nagato had died (after betraying him and using Rinne Tensei on the leaf when it was supposed to be for Tobi's purposes); He never thought Nagato/Pain could be beaten by any shinobi at the present time.

You must be registered for see images

Tobi's one goal seems to be the completion of Madara's Moon's eye plan; this could be Izuna showing his commitment to Madara's cause (well he's pretty committed to his brother considering he willingly sacriced his eyes). Interestingly, whilst Madara was rivalled by Hashirama, have you ever considered Izuna was rivalled by Tobirama? This could lead to why he calls himself 'Tobi' and uses S/T jutsu (something the second hokage was famous for). Coincidence? Could the 2 older brothers and the 2 younger brothers all be rivals? Even though they were enemies there is always a high degree of respect between opponents, possibly why Izuna named himself Tobi, after Tobirama Senju.:shrug:

2. Izuna (Considering that he is NOT Tobi) is very much dead but may soon be revived via Edo Tensei by Kabuto. This idea may also be far fetched considering it would be very difficult for Kabuto to get primary DNA straight from Izuna's body. But what about Madara's eyes? If they once belonged to Izuna, wouldn't they have traces of his DNA in them? This could therefore allow Kabuto to resurrect him. It would make sense because a ninja of his strength would surely be a valuable asset for Kabuto. Could we see this in the Manga soon?

3. Finally, Izuna (Considering that he is NOT Tobi) may soon be revived by Madara using Rinne Tensei (with his newly aquirred Rinnegan) so that they can bump off Tobi and complete the plan by themselves. I know, this is extremely FARFETCHED. However, remember in the manga when Kabuto said that fake Madara may not act as planned:

We know Madara and Tobi are definately aquainatances:

You must be registered for see images

But does he trust Tobi now that Kabuto has said this:

You must be registered for see images

This could leave the door open to Edo Madara, Kabuto and possibly a resurrected Izuna betraying Tobi. However, I find this theory the least likely of the 3. I just find it wierd a ninja of his calibre (and Shisui aswell) have not made a single physical appearance.

Anyway, these were just my thoughts on Izuna and various possibilities about him. Thoughts?:shrug:

i think that's a very good theory. sometime ago i also thought tobi was izuna.
 

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+ rep for sure , i considered tobi as kagami but you just convinced me otherwise , well put , one of the best threads iv seen

What's the story on Kagami? I've heard alot of people say they think he's Tobi.......
 

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Yes, but Tobi wanted to control Ten-Tails and become the jinchuuriki of it. He can't really do that if he is part of the Ten-tails.

In fact that's the Part that can demolish the theory i stated ! still ; Tobi stated : "To become One with everything" and to become a Jinshuriki on the Juubi ! since Jinshuriki Means Host ; then beeing a host of himself = Being himself :
If we see it that way ; i think The theory goes Perfectly ! Am i right ?
 

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I don't know. Izuna looks like Sasuke and Madara has distinct features around his eyes(the out lining of his eyes are very distinct) Tobi has those same outlines around his eyes just like Madara. Izuna doesn't have those.
 

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great theory! first time i've heard or thought of the 2nd hokage and taking his name +rep for sure =D
 
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