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Who do you think Tobi is:

  • Jubbi

    Votes: 21 3.0%
  • Sage of Six Paths

    Votes: 10 1.4%
  • Elder son of Sage of Sixth Path

    Votes: 65 9.3%
  • Izuna uchiha

    Votes: 105 15.0%
  • Kagami uchiha

    Votes: 71 10.1%
  • Obito Uchiha

    Votes: 77 11.0%
  • Fugaku Uchiha

    Votes: 16 2.3%
  • Zetsu

    Votes: 16 2.3%
  • Madara's split personality (created before original body died.)

    Votes: 66 9.4%
  • A copycat whose rolemodel is Madara.

    Votes: 13 1.9%
  • Tobirama

    Votes: 15 2.1%
  • An unknown Uchiha

    Votes: 23 3.3%
  • Real Madara in Zetsu body

    Votes: 28 4.0%
  • Some one from Madara's time ( can't decide though)

    Votes: 7 1.0%
  • Danzou

    Votes: 8 1.1%
  • Setsuna Uchiha

    Votes: 7 1.0%
  • Shisui

    Votes: 14 2.0%
  • An Uzumaki

    Votes: 15 2.1%
  • Madara's Son

    Votes: 23 3.3%
  • A woman

    Votes: 21 3.0%
  • Obito's father

    Votes: 19 2.7%
  • Someone Other than these

    Votes: 24 3.4%
  • First Edo tensie

    Votes: 7 1.0%
  • An alien ( Superman/ HeMan/whatnot)

    Votes: 7 1.0%
  • I am the best. I have no theory. ( Not anymore at least.)

    Votes: 22 3.1%

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Tobi's Identity

I don't know if anyone other me has said this on NB but they are just too many of Tobi's thread for me to confirm

So i made a thread of tobi being madara's son but that was just a speculation with no proof becoz madara hasn't be shown or said to love any girl
(Now i think about it no uchiha has being said or shown to luv or even date a girl hmmm)

This is a speculation with a not too shown proof but it has a 90% chance of being true,the other 10% is for kishi to show us

Tobi is Madara's brother
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Now i will explain why i said it is going to be Izuna,pay close attention

Now we will start from madara to harashima,
Madara who was half blind was said to have taken izuna's MS in order to regain his sight,but it was never said that madara took both eyes,now i know what u will say..that u need both eyes to gain back ur sight but lets think about it..Izuna was said to be an equal to madara so why would he give his eyes to madara in order to fight harashima,even he could have fought the 1st & maybe even won..after all Izuna's MS was different than madara & could have given him an advantage over the 1 unless infact that izuna's MS abilities did not have a more advantage than madara's MS ability..which would explain why an equal uchiha in power & skills would give his eyes to another equal uchiha(madara)

Now lets go back to what Tobi
Tobi in his explanation to sasuke told us that Izuna which he was calming to be,his brother at that time gave him "madara" which he calmed to be his eyes In order for Him to fight harashima..
Now pause,let's think about this,if madara was given the EMS by Izuna in order to fight harashima for the sit of hokage then how did Izuna die in war when at the time he gave his eyes to madara the war was already over...

But wait it might have been during their last battle which lead to peace that Izuna died but then again madara would have not accepted peace becoz according to tobi it was the way the uchiha said that madara took his brother eyes in order to gain power & also how is brother sacrifice meant nothing in the uchiha's eyes that made him hate the leaf & uchihas,,so it is highly unlikely that madara would have agree to make peace with the senju when Izuna his brother was dead
What am i trying to say here that Izuna did not die in the war,Now while a lot of u will say that it has been said that Izuna died at war let me remind u that things that are said and not shown mostly turn out not to be what was saidU_U

Now this doesn't explain a lot of why tobi is doing what he is doing & how he knows much so i would explain
Izuna & madara were said & shown to have been the first to awaken the MS NOTE that they were the first & not the only ones,yet it was said that they were few that got these power(MS) but it wasn't said that madara & Izuna were the only one with MS,
now u might say why can't it be that d brothers were the only ones that had the MS why? becoz if it was only madara who had the EMS & everyone else had normal sharingan then HE alone would have killed all the uchiha's with ease in a night like itachi & tobi but he didn't, why would a god at that time listen to some old weak uchiha's when they should be worshiping his EMS

Only 2 reason can be given,either they were up to 7 uchihas which he knew that together they could kill him or He had sometin someone he cared about.
Now i doubt that 20 uchiha's can take madara even with MS,he will only use a meteorite to kill everyone but if u were to look at it that madara had someone he cared of & that person was not powerful enough to fight for himself or herself,so he had to agree to the uchihas then he later left the village to get this person he cared about out of harms way,Now the only person that madara even cared about was his brother & as far as we know he never had a wife.
This would explain why he 1st left the village then before fightin harashima
Now to why tobi in this case Izuna is doing all this in the present,Izuna was madara's best friend,brother( & if i may add lover:D )since madara did not die at the end of the battle it is only Natural that he would go to a place where he could try & treat his wounds,
Now u might say even if izuna was there how would a blind person take care of a dying Madara but what if he was not totally blind,madara izuna & kakashi are the only Ninjas that have unlocked their MS without killing their close friends,
Now i will tell u that Izuna had one eye how & why ?
If Izuna gives an eye to Madara that would make him able to see with one eye..Madara with an eye & Izuna would be able to kill another MS user with ease ,now since madara can see with one eye implanting another MS would make him able to see But if thats the case why did Izuna not take the other eye.2 reason can be given,either it was damaged or it would make the uchihas suspect them 0_o
If tobi is Izuna it would explain how he know's a lot of history of the leaf & how madara knows him & trust in him to bring him back to life

You might ask how does tobi's eyes look like a normal shiringan but is using a justu that a normal sharigan can't use if he is Izuna ???
I can think of 2 reasons,either he implanted shiringan in his eyes but he still retain his original MS ability or he is infact using a space time ninjustu that is not an MS ability but a justu similar to Minato's ftd but can be manipulated with the shiringan instead of a seal..
Also to how Nagato was known by madara,can be explained if tobi is izuna,it would mean that madara told him some secrets of the rinnegan before dieing which izuna would have used on Nagato's mum & dad inorder to give bath to a rinnengan user which is Nagato then He Izuna would have used a justu on Madara so that they could be communicating even beyond death,so madara would have known all of what was going on, if tobi was communication with him beyond death with a justu then Madara would know that nagato was the rinnegan user & that he was going to be the person that would be used to bring him back to life

1Ox for reading telling me what u think,& please feel free to point out any mistake xd
 
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Re: Official Tobi ID thread:All Tobi theories go here:-

Tell me the back of this guys' head doesn't look like tobi's... I dare you... top right panel
Stop with the Shisui BS.

its kagami uchia
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Based on what?????????????? He's appeared once in the entire manga and on only one page. SMDH.
 

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Re: Thoughts on the rain?

I believe the sudden rain is not a usual thing. Something is up. Or was it just to show the footprints? Not likely.
 
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Re: Official Tobi ID thread:All Tobi theories go here:-

i posted this yesterday in my post about the Rinnegan... i thought it would go perfect in here

Well I look at it this way... And this is just my theory.

First off didn't Orochimaru get sealed a lil too easy... kinda didn't put up a fight. He easily dropped off the grid and Tobi's character kicked into boss mode.

I'm bad with kage names, but the edo kage with the bandages split in half right. Oro might have known that jutsu.

the kage of kisame's village was tobi right, and no one could notice. Didn't oro do that exact same thing to the fourth kazekage when the sand attacked the leaf.

Oro didn't just want any sharingan, he specifically wanted Sasuke's or Itachi's. Oro was the one who implanted the eyes on danzo. He had spare sharingans. Tobi does go on to say it takes a special kind of eye to perform the Ameratsu.

If the sharingan becomes the rinnegan, why would tobi need a sharingan and a rinnegan?

I put The Sannin and Ooniki in the same age group. Now if Yamato and Nagato are around the same age (big if!) Nagato could have easily been a child experiment of Orochimaru using Madara cells instead of first hokage cells. (that explains how Tobi gave him those eyes)

Oro had skills before he started experiments with the snakes. Thats something he developed but not his base style.

What honestly would Madara have done with First Hokage DNA. He wasn't the genius type. he could have taken that DNA to Orochimaru and while helping Madara he steals his DNA and also creates Zetsu... I clone that can mesh with the earth and easily copy jutsus. Zetsu is made more for recon purposes not fighting, which is why he is limited as to what he can actually do on the battlefield

If Oro's goals of learning all jutsus is to become complete, he'd need sharingan and rinnegan, and the ultimate jutsu, the tailed beast bomb.

It all is just too coincidental. Better than people who we've never seen alive as Tobi... Definitely better than the obito thought.
 

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Re: Thoughts on the rain?

It's symbolizing Sasuke with the darkness.
Naruto went to the war the the sun arose (Sun->Fire->Will of Fire) and Sasuke is the opposite.
 

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Re: Official Tobi ID thread:All Tobi theories go here:-

i posted this yesterday in my post about the Rinnegan... i thought it would go perfect in here

Well I look at it this way... And this is just my theory.

First off didn't Orochimaru get sealed a lil too easy... kinda didn't put up a fight. He easily dropped off the grid and Tobi's character kicked into boss mode.

I'm bad with kage names, but the edo kage with the bandages split in half right. Oro might have known that jutsu.

the kage of kisame's village was tobi right, and no one could notice. Didn't oro do that exact same thing to the fourth kazekage when the sand attacked the leaf.

Oro didn't just want any sharingan, he specifically wanted Sasuke's or Itachi's. Oro was the one who implanted the eyes on danzo. He had spare sharingans. Tobi does go on to say it takes a special kind of eye to perform the Ameratsu.

If the sharingan becomes the rinnegan, why would tobi need a sharingan and a rinnegan?

I put The Sannin and Ooniki in the same age group. Now if Yamato and Nagato are around the same age (big if!) Nagato could have easily been a child experiment of Orochimaru using Madara cells instead of first hokage cells. (that explains how Tobi gave him those eyes)

Oro had skills before he started experiments with the snakes. Thats something he developed but not his base style.

What honestly would Madara have done with First Hokage DNA. He wasn't the genius type. he could have taken that DNA to Orochimaru and while helping Madara he steals his DNA and also creates Zetsu... I clone that can mesh with the earth and easily copy jutsus. Zetsu is made more for recon purposes not fighting, which is why he is limited as to what he can actually do on the battlefield

If Oro's goals of learning all jutsus is to become complete, he'd need sharingan and rinnegan, and the ultimate jutsu, the tailed beast bomb.

It all is just too coincidental. Better than people who we've never seen alive as Tobi... Definitely better than the obito thought.
Orochimaru is around 53 and Nagato is around 41 so I think its unlikely he was experimented on by Orochimaru. However, you offer some very interesting points elsewhere.
 

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Re: Official Tobi ID thread:All Tobi theories go here:-

I don't really want to believe it, but after today's chapter, it seems Tobi has knowledge of the future, has seen the future or is from the future. He stated that he knows Naruto's limits, like he has seen Naruto's fight with Sasuke in the future and knows his limits very well.

He also stated, in this chapter, that all pasts, futures, and all existences in general will be made pointless by this war. Why would he say this unless he has some form of knowledge of the future or has at least lived and watched the main characters closely for their whole lives? I think its possible that he's trying to change the future that he has foreseen by starting this war...... but I'd rather that not be the case.
 
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Re: Official Tobi ID thread:All Tobi theories go here:-

Orochimaru is around 53 and Nagato is around 41 so I think its unlikely he was experimented on by Orochimaru. However, you offer some very interesting points elsewhere.
Yeah.... That one is kinda iffy with me too but how old is Yamato... If he and Nagato are close in age, that makes this all really interesting
 

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Re: Official Tobi ID thread:All Tobi theories go here:-

i posted this yesterday in my post about the Rinnegan... i thought it would go perfect in here

Well I look at it this way... And this is just my theory.

First off didn't Orochimaru get sealed a lil too easy... kinda didn't put up a fight. He easily dropped off the grid and Tobi's character kicked into boss mode.

I'm bad with kage names, but the edo kage with the bandages split in half right. Oro might have known that jutsu.
I highly highly doubt he knew that jutsu. I'm pretty sure only Muu can use it, and I doubt orochimaru ever met Muu and somehow learned how to use that jutsu. Plus he would be at half power forever then.

the kage of kisame's village was tobi right, and no one could notice. Didn't oro do that exact same thing to the fourth kazekage when the sand attacked the leaf.
No one noticed because tobi was controlling the real mizukage with his sharingan from the shadows. the people still saw the real mizukage giving orders and whatever, but he was being controlled by tobi, so no one actually saw tobi.

Oro didn't just want any sharingan, he specifically wanted Sasuke's or Itachi's. Oro was the one who implanted the eyes on danzo. He had spare sharingans. Tobi does go on to say it takes a special kind of eye to perform the Ameratsu.
We don't know for sure if it was definitely Oro who put sharingan in danzo's arm, tobi only thought that, no one else said anything about it. and even if it happened danzo was the one who had the sharingan, not Oro. Orochimaru didn't GIVE sharingan to danzo, danzo already had them

If the sharingan becomes the rinnegan, why would tobi need a sharingan and a rinnegan?

I put The Sannin and Ooniki in the same age group. Now if Yamato and Nagato are around the same age (big if!) Nagato could have easily been a child experiment of Orochimaru using Madara cells instead of first hokage cells. (that explains how Tobi gave him those eyes)

Oro had skills before he started experiments with the snakes. Thats something he developed but not his base style.

What honestly would Madara have done with First Hokage DNA. He wasn't the genius type. he could have taken that DNA to Orochimaru and while helping Madara he steals his DNA and also creates Zetsu... I clone that can mesh with the earth and easily copy jutsus. Zetsu is made more for recon purposes not fighting, which is why he is limited as to what he can actually do on the battlefield
It doesn't say anywhere zetsu can easily copy jutsus. it doesn't look like he has any offensive capability at all. all he can do is transform into anybody else, not use their jutsus. And nagato wasn't an experiment. Tobi literally implanted madara's rinnegan, which as you know he awoke shortly before his death, into nagato. he didnt somehow alter nagatos dna so he could awaken a completely new pair of rinnegan. that's not possible. you have to have sharingan first to awake rinnegan, this is fact as shown in manga. the reason why nagato's rinnegan was on all the time and why he obviously couldnt use any sharingan jutsu was because he was just implanted with the eyes, and he couldnt use them like a real uchiha because he isnt one.

If Oro's goals of learning all jutsus is to become complete, he'd need sharingan and rinnegan, and the ultimate jutsu, the tailed beast bomb.

It all is just too coincidental. Better than people who we've never seen alive as Tobi... Definitely better than the obito thought.
orochimaru is gone, he is sealed away for good, in the sword of totsuka that itachi has. his soul is sealed away forever, he can't be alive, nor can he be revived. do you not think that kabuto would have wanted to revive his master? to help him finish his work? but he CANT, because his soul is sealed away, not in the pure world. so kabuto CANNOT revive him with edo tensei. and do you really think if he is somehow tobi, KABUTO WOULDNT KNOW? and that he wouldnt tell his favorite pupil who he is? makes no sense. none. at all.
 

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Re: Official Tobi ID thread:All Tobi theories go here:-

I don't really want to believe it, but after today's chapter, it seems Tobi has knowledge of the future, has seen the future or is from the future. He stated that he knows Naruto's limits, like he has seen Naruto's fight with Sasuke in the future and knows his limits very well.

He also stated, in this chapter, that all pasts, futures, and all existences in general will be made pointless by this war. Why would he say this unless he has some form of knowledge of the future or has at least lived and watched the main characters closely for their whole lives? I think its possible that he's trying to change the future that he has foreseen by starting this war...... but I'd rather that not be the case.
I think you are just reading to much into it. He is obviously getting shaken up by Naruto's power, because he THOUGHT he knew how powerful he was, and that it would be easy to capture him. But that is not happening the way he planned. Tobi obviously thinks everything he planned is going to work perfectly, and is conceited it seems, he thinks to highly of himself. So he thinks he knows everything that is going on, and thought he knew the extent of naruto's power, which he obviously didn't.

and he said the stuff about the past future and present because, he plans to put everyone under an infinite tsukyomi? everyone will be under a genjutsu, forever, no ones existence would matter anymore if he completes that, because everyone would be under his rule, doing what he wants. its a fake existence, that doesn't matter, making everything that has every happened or will happen pointless.
 
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I highly highly doubt he knew that jutsu. I'm pretty sure only Muu can use it, and I doubt orochimaru ever met Muu and somehow learned how to use that jutsu. Plus he would be at half power forever then.
If Orochimaru knew edo tensei, no telling what he knew. No one figured Oro would switch bodies until he did it. It's highly possible he knew Muu's jutsu. Tobi does say he's a shell of his former self.

No one noticed because tobi was controlling the real mizukage with his sharingan from the shadows. the people still saw the real mizukage giving orders and whatever, but he was being controlled by tobi, so no one actually saw tobi.
No one would have known Oro was the Kazekage if he didn't reveal himself. You didn't see Tobi either... How can you say that Tobi wasn't Oro. No one saw him.

We don't know for sure if it was definitely Oro who put sharingan in danzo's arm, tobi only thought that, no one else said anything about it. and even if it happened danzo was the one who had the sharingan, not Oro. Orochimaru didn't GIVE sharingan to danzo, danzo already had them
Did Danzo already have a stash of sharingans, no he only specifically took one of Shisui's eyes. When Danzo sprouts a tree out his arm, Tobi says that Danzo must have kept in touch with Danzo which means
A. Oro already successfully experimented with both uchiha and shodai cell enabling users the ability to use izanagi. He'd be a fool to not have given himself that power.
B. Oro knew a lot of jutsu outside of just snakes use. He knew the uses of the sharingan and how to make them better.

It doesn't say anywhere zetsu can easily copy jutsus. it doesn't look like he has any offensive capability at all. all he can do is transform into anybody else, not use their jutsus. And nagato wasn't an experiment. Tobi literally implanted madara's rinnegan, which as you know he awoke shortly before his death, into nagato. he didnt somehow alter nagatos dna so he could awaken a completely new pair of rinnegan. that's not possible. you have to have sharingan first to awake rinnegan, this is fact as shown in manga. the reason why nagato's rinnegan was on all the time and why he obviously couldnt use any sharingan jutsu was because he was just implanted with the eyes, and he couldnt use them like a real uchiha because he isnt one.
Dude this is a book, not real life. Didn't Oro alter Yamato's DNA as a child to give him the abilty to use wood style jutsu, yes he did. That might be the reason the Uzimaki clan got spread out so far because they could handle the implant of the Rinnegan. Tobi knew Nagato was an Uzimaki, even Nagato never mentioned himself as an Uzimaki, I don't think he knew he was one. if i'm correct Itachi had his sharingan on alot if not all the time so who cares if Nagato couldn't turn his off. Tobi didn't turn his off either, so if thats relevant then Tobi isn't an Uchiha either which leaves choices of identities down to Oro or the Ramen

orochimaru is gone, he is sealed away for good, in the sword of totsuka that itachi has. his soul is sealed away forever, he can't be alive, nor can he be revived. do you not think that kabuto would have wanted to revive his master? to help him finish his work? but he CANT, because his soul is sealed away, not in the pure world. so kabuto CANNOT revive him with edo tensei. and do you really think if he is somehow tobi, KABUTO WOULDNT KNOW? and that he wouldnt tell his favorite pupil who he is? makes no sense. none. at all.
It doesn't haveto make sense. Kakazu has 5 hearts, there's no edo Hidan so he's still alive. Doesn't make sense so what. Isn't Minato's soul in 2 places at once. Its a book anything can happen.
 

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Re: Official Tobi ID thread:All Tobi theories go here:-

We could argue most of these points all day and night so I'm not going to bring up most of them. There are a couple things that just would make Tobi not able to be Oro. First is his soul cannot be in two places. Madaras soul is not in two places...where did you see this? He's just revived by Kabuto, he isn't any place else. If his soul is in the sword, he can't be anywhere else. It's been said in the manga multiple times that if the soul is not in the pure world it can't be revived through Edo Tensei. This implies that the soul can't be in two places at once, as we have no case of that happening either. It seems you can't revive the soul either or split it or change it or whatever...otherwise Oro would have not had to change his container because his arms were of no use. His soul of his arms was sealed, he could never get it back, otherwise I'm sure he would've tried.

Either way, the most obvious and biggest reason is Kabuto would know Tobi was Oro? And he wouldn't be trying to gain control of the war and get a one up on Tobi if it was his master? And Oro obviously trusted Kabuto, probably the only person he did trust and kept by his side. Why would he turn against him?
 

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Re: Official Tobi ID thread:All Tobi theories go here:-

We could argue most of these points all day and night so I'm not going to bring up most of them. There are a couple things that just would make Tobi not able to be Oro. First is his soul cannot be in two places. Madaras soul is not in two places...where did you see this? He's just revived by Kabuto, he isn't any place else. If his soul is in the sword, he can't be anywhere else. It's been said in the manga multiple times that if the soul is not in the pure world it can't be revived through Edo Tensei. This implies that the soul can't be in two places at once, as we have no case of that happening either. It seems you can't revive the soul either or split it or change it or whatever...otherwise Oro would have not had to change his container because his arms were of no use. His soul of his arms was sealed, he could never get it back, otherwise I'm sure he would've tried.

Either way, the most obvious and biggest reason is Kabuto would know Tobi was Oro? And he wouldn't be trying to gain control of the war and get a one up on Tobi if it was his master? And Oro obviously trusted Kabuto, probably the only person he did trust and kept by his side. Why would he turn against him?

EDIT: Don't know why it posted twice, sorry. Don't know how to delete a post, if you even can. Posted that from my phone so that's probably why it went through twice for some reason.
 
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Re: Official Tobi ID thread:All Tobi theories go here:-

We could argue most of these points all day and night so I'm not going to bring up most of them. There are a couple things that just would make Tobi not able to be Oro. First is his soul cannot be in two places. Madaras soul is not in two places...where did you see this? He's just revived by Kabuto, he isn't any place else. If his soul is in the sword, he can't be anywhere else. It's been said in the manga multiple times that if the soul is not in the pure world it can't be revived through Edo Tensei. This implies that the soul can't be in two places at once, as we have no case of that happening either. It seems you can't revive the soul either or split it or change it or whatever...otherwise Oro would have not had to change his container because his arms were of no use. His soul of his arms was sealed, he could never get it back, otherwise I'm sure he would've tried.

Either way, the most obvious and biggest reason is Kabuto would know Tobi was Oro? And he wouldn't be trying to gain control of the war and get a one up on Tobi if it was his master? And Oro obviously trusted Kabuto, probably the only person he did trust and kept by his side. Why would he turn against him?
Half of Karama and Minato are in Naruto... Where's their other half. Edo Muu physically split. Oro could possibly do that too.

Why would Oro turn on the leaf village, why would Konan turn on the Akatsuki, why does the village that hated Naruto and the fox within turn and fight to protect him, why did the village turn on Sasuke, and Sasuke turn on the village, why did Sasuke turn on .... Things just happen. Kabuto served his purpose and was no longer needed.
 

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Re: Official Tobi ID thread:All Tobi theories go here:-

Ok but still Kabuto would most likely know it was Orochimaru that was Tobi. I just don't see it. Oro needed constant treatment from Kabuto, he was obviously sick. Even if he was in this Tobi body he would still suffer from his arms being sealed away, the soul of them at least. And minatos chakra was in naruto, not his soul, his soul is in the death god. We don't really know anything about Muu's jutsu, other than it splits the body into two. Who knows maybe if you sealed one part of him the other would disappear. Don't know enough about it..but I thought it was only something Muu himself could do.
 
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Re: Official Tobi ID thread:All Tobi theories go here:-

This idea is alittle farfetched and Ive been thinking about it for alittle while now and I think tobi might possibly be Sasuke Sarutobi or just a Sarutobi clan member.... Reasons....

1: SaruTOBI
2: When tobi is first allowed to join the akatsuki he is wearing a long blue scarf just like konohamaru always does

Barely any evidence here but man I think for all of us here who still care we're all getting desperate.... If this is correct then ha im a freakin genius!!!! I take full credit for this theory
 
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Re: Official Tobi ID thread:All Tobi theories go here:-

I don't really disagree with any tobi possibilities, its just hard for me to think kishi would be hiding someone we've never seen.
 

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Theory on Tobi and Zetsu

I came up with a theory on Tobi and Zetsu which is completely my own, so if its similiar to any other theories, just remember great minds think alike.

So I have come to the conclusion that Tobi and Zetsu are experiments of Madara's created by the Rinnengan (or some other weird technique). Tobi has the body of a Senju (Tobi's senju body could have possibly come from Tobirama's DNA) but the eyes of the Uchiha, while Zetsu has half the body of a Senju and half the body of a Uchiha. (Possibly from Hashirama's DNA and Madara's DNA)

I think after the battle at the Valley of the End, Madara retreated to a secluded place (first Akatsuki hideout) and created these two. Tobi said that Madara got a bit of Hashirama's DNA, so he could have used this and his own DNA to fashion Tobi and Zetsu. These experiments to create a perfect mixture between Senju and Uchiha might have failed and created a weird plant-like thing and someone who could rearrange atoms (or manipulate space-time) and he saw the potential these experiments had and gave them a mission (when he gave Nagato the Rinnengan is beyond me)

so is this be at least a little plausible?

EDIT: Zetsu's plant-like abilities could have come from a failed attempt at creating something that could use Mokuton?
 
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