[Predictions] Naruto Manga Chapter 572 Discussion and 573 Predictions

[Keishidojo Senpai]

This is actually pretty good what you came up with. What the reason why you believe Tobi has been able to live this long? My only theory on that from everything you have said is that he used Izanagi to breathe life into Zetsu, which with Zetsu abilities, always able to provide Tobi with a Zetsu type body, whenever Tobi has received any form of damaged, he is able to re-generate his body back to perfect condition and has we have seen Tobi and the 4th in action, we saw his arm damaged whcih seemed all gooey like Zetsu.

It's hard to say how he stayed alive but inzanagi would have to be the case. Or quite possibly since he is the direct descendant of the sage, he could have some form of the "long life span" that was passed down to the uzamaki clan. I know they would be off opposite sides of the tree since that blood line would have came from the youngest son. But I have to believe that the 2 sons of the sage shared both senju and uchia blood since the sage had both, and over time the 2 clans emerged. To me there is no other member in the naruto universe that could be that manipulative, display that much wisdom, than the eldest son. I believe he was there when the 1st hokage and madara fought, and it was by his hand they were actually killed.

There is no way Tobi is the sage, the beast would have recognized the sage and the sage would not be "using" the beast the way Tobi is. The 9 tails dispises Tobi because he reminds him of madara. The beast loved the sage and would immediately recognize him. Additionally the nine tails reffered to naruto as the sage when he sealed him back when he was learning to control kurama.

He cant be obito because obito was no where near Kakashi's level when they fought in the kakashi arc. Kakashi was appointed to captain of the squad and minato went off alone. That being said how would he develop so quickly as to be able to control the 9 tails only a few years later, and spar with the 4th hokage and kill Anbu members silently, just from training on his own for a few years. Come one people obito is dead! An he was to weak to pull off something like this.

The only uchia the manga never tells us about is the oldest son of the sage. We know the oldest killed the youngest out of anger from he father not choosing him as the successor. Every other uchia is listed as dead when itachi slaughtered the clan with the help of Tobi. We know itachi was bad ass but someone with equal or greater power would have to help him pull that off.

Additionally Tobi says "I am no one" I think that's a hint because of the way he felt when his father did not chose him. He felt like a nobody and cast aside. Y his father. Lastly to support it, the sage made a promise to the beast that thus would be reunited one day, I believe he knew what was in his sons hearts and that this would all unfold in the future and he attached some of his chakra, or wisdom Into the beast so that it could be used one day. Since the sage is said to be the creator of all things, seeing the future isnt far fetched. We know the great toad sage can see the future, why not the SOP?

Again I think Tobi has too much first hand experience as to what happened with the SOP, and all the history between the senju and uchia not to be someone extremely powerful. And lastly we know he had the rinnegan and gave it to nagato. The only other person we know for sure who had the rinnegan besides the sage was uchia madara and the sages eldest son, who was "given the saves eyes"

Also on the first page of 564, naruto and Tobi meet "head to head" this is classic kishi imagery. Think about it what does naruto stand for, the senju / will of fire and everything "Good" and Tobi is the opposite the Uchia - revenge, hatred everything "evil". They meet head to head like a clashing of ideas. The same way naruto and Saske clashed fist to fist. Naruto was in his 9 tails mode which allows him to "sense evil" right. So he went straight towards Tobi full speed with a headbutt. We saw him head butt gara and it made gara bleed so we know it has some effectiveness, and with 9 tailed mode should be a little more powerful. Now why didnt it even scratch his mask? I think it's because they actually "repelled" one another. They are direct opposites, it is the sages will passed onto the youngest son, and Tobi being the eldest son could not just phase directly through this energy. Tobi has to be the oldest son of the sage.

Also when madara enters the battle he says "this is his doing" madara knows Tobi's identity. And kabuto confirms it and says "he is HIS assistant" kabuto knows tobi's true identity. And madara was kabuto's trump card. So again what other character could warrant kabuto to take precautions? I dont think it was izuna because we see madara's eyes and it is the EMS. The only way he could have the EMS is by taking his brothers eyes. So if his brother stayed alive when his eyes were removed he would be useless, without the sharingan

 

[tsuyaraba]

For persons hooked on the Tobi is Obito theory, how do you explain the attack on konoha at a time when it was clear, Tobi was an adult. Obito would have been a child under the fourth's tutelage along with Rin and Kakashi.

 

[Cervantes]

I have A ? what did son Goku mean by be sure to teach him @narutoverse.org/Naruto/572/09 and will anyone try to rescue yamato ?

 

[OWanime]

the elder didn't kill the younger or else senju wouldn't exist xd

 

[Virus..]

Just Great

 

[Cervantes]

I was also just wondering what is around naruto's neck and does it have any meaning or purpose in the manga, cause the SO6p has a similar necklace.

 

[Ender Wiggin]

Sasuke is going to need a major powerup.

 

[narchan]

lol!!! chapter sounds good....... and we see kuruma as a good tamed pet back then...

 

[King Volcano]

Beautiful Chapter! :3 Like always!

 

[squigles]

It's hard to say how he stayed alive but inzanagi would have to be the case.

Izanagi is a technique that replaces one instance of death, lasting for one minute, usable only once per eye by a Sharingan user, causing that eye to go blind forever. So that's not it.

Or quite possibly since he is the direct descendant of the sage, he could have some form of the "long life span" that was passed down to the uzamaki clan.

The Uzumaki clan is a descendant of the Senju clan, the younger son's lineage. If we're talking about Tobi being the eldest son, he would have been Uchiha, and had no such genetic traits.

Besides, the 'longevity' pertains to physical health and endurance throughout a natural and long life, not being able to live over multiple centuries. The So6P died several hundred years before the events that are happening now, and in order for Tobi to be the elder son, he would have had to be immortal, which isn't something the So6P had power over, so no, the elder son wasn't immortal either.

But I have to believe that the 2 sons of the sage shared both senju and uchia blood since the sage had both, and over time the 2 clans emerged.

Not if they had different mothers, which would explain why their blood lines split off to begin with. Aside from that, the S06P gifted each one of them with a different set of powers, so even if they had the same mother, the only way they'd be able to share bloodline limits and clan specific abilities, would be to start inbreeding.

To me there is no other member in the naruto universe that could be that manipulative, display that much wisdom, than the eldest son.

Except that you're still overlooking the obvious. Look at how powerful and manipulative Madara is. Do you honestly think that he would be so bent on world domination, but his brother, whom he is very close to, just wouldn't be that way?

- Izuna and Madara were the most powerful Uchiha the clan had ever seen.
- Izuna and Madara BOTH awakened Mangekyo Sharingan, signaling that they had both killed their best friends.
- Izuna and Madara fought together in every single battle, sharing the same ambitions and goals.
- If Madara concocted the Moonseye plan, it's obvious that Izuna would have not only backed him up, but made any sacrifice he could to help that plan happen.
- He gave Madara his eyes, to awaken the EMS, not only to gain even more power, but to allow him to further decipher what it says on the Uchiha plates, giving him the knowledge of how to unlock the Rinnegan.
- There is no proof that Izuna is actually dead, and there is no proof that Izuna just didn't get another set of eyes somehow.
- If Izuna is still alive, he would be as old as Tobi is.

The only uchia the manga never tells us about is the oldest son of the sage.

The manga never tells us about the two sons of the sage because too much time has passed for either of them to be still alive. Tobi is NOT the elder son, for the same reason Tobi is not the S06P.

Additionally Tobi says "I am no one" I think that's a hint because of the way he felt when his father did not chose him.

He also said that he 'is a shell of his former self' meaning that he's given up a lot to be who he is now. He could have given his eyes to Madara to awaken EMS, and his body to Madara to be augmented with the 1sts DNA, so he can live forever and be the host of the 10 tails, while carrying out the Infinite Tsukuyomi Moon's Eye plan.

If that's really what happened, of course he would say that he's 'no one' because he's given up his identity and his life in order to fulfill the plan him and his brother came up with. Not to mention that if he's really going to live forever just so he can put everyone into a genjutsu, he's obviously of the state of mind that being human doesn't matter, so he wouldn't care about who he was as a human.

Again I think Tobi has too much first hand experience as to what happened with the SOP, and all the history between the senju and uchia not to be someone extremely powerful.

Except for that information on the So6P and all the possible eye techniques can be found in the Uchiha clan dojo, underneath the tatami mats in a secret room, where only those who have awakened the Sharingan can see them. Each stage of the Sharingan unlocks MORE information and there is no telling just how much info is really there.

Once again, Madara obviously unlocked all the info because he had the Rinnegan, which he obtained by getting EMS, which he obtained from his brother, Izuna. There is no way that Madara would take the kids eyes, unlock the secrets that EMS grants, and then NOT tell Izuna anything. They were brothers. Anyone who's had a brother close to the same age, knows that they tend to do everything together.

Madara and Izuna were very close. As Madara unlocked more information, they likely formed their plan around the knowledge that was there, targeting Hashirama Senju because of his wood element release and how it could potentially give them the ability to live forever AND control all the Biju.

The only other person we know for sure who had the rinnegan besides the sage was uchia madara and the sages eldest son, who was "given the saves eyes"

Except that we don't know if the eldest son actually had the power of Rinnegan and could wield it for anything. For all we know, the So6P simply divided his abilities by bloodline between the two sons and forced them to unlock the abilities if they wanted to use them.

In most cases, when an inheritance is passed on, the family member that is intended to receive it has to meet certain qualifications to actually get it. I don't think that would be any different coming from the most powerful ninja ever and the man who created all ninjutsu.

If that's the case, then the Elder son would never have awoken Rinnegan because he never would have gotten to EMS, which requires him to take his brother's MS. If the bloodlines were split and the techniques were divided, then the younger son never would have gotten Sharingan to begin with, and had no eyes for the older brother to take.

Also when madara enters the battle he says "this is his doing" madara knows Tobi's identity. And kabuto confirms it and says "he is HIS assistant" kabuto knows tobi's true identity.

Of course Madara knows his identity. They formulated the Moon's Eye plan together, and everything is going as plan. Only a younger brother would carry on in his older brother's footsteps, following his wishes to a 'T'.

I dont think it was izuna because we see madara's eyes and it is the EMS. The only way he could have the EMS is by taking his brothers eyes. So if his brother stayed alive when his eyes were removed he would be useless, without the sharingan

Except that Uchiha are well known for doing Eye transplants, Tobi has done several himself, he has an entire wall of his secret lab full of Sharingan in jars to keep them preserved.

On top of that, taking Izuna's eyes would not have killed him, and it's more than likely that he had another set of Sharingan eyes ready to go after he transplanted his eyes into his older brother.

Think about it. If Izuna gives his MS to Madara so he can unlock EMS, then that set of eyes is the only eyes that can unlock Rinnegan, and that set of eyes was given to Nagato AFTER the Rinnegan was unlocked.

Nagato's eyes always stayed as the Rinnegan, meaning it was most definitely transplanted into him. Furthermore, the entire time we see Tobi before Nagato dies and he takes the Rinnegan back, he doesn't use it ever.

Only after he gets the Rinnegan back, does he start using it. Basically, Tobi's eyes have been eyes that were taken from other uchiha for a long time, simply because his eyes were always on loan to Nagato, the same exact way that Izuna's eyes were on loan to Madara.

If you still think that Tobi could be anyone other than Izuna, I dunno what to tell you.

 

[NaruGokuTimDrake]

so goku did give naruto some chakra

Lolz! stfustfu jk DBZ rulez!

 

[Pube]

Izanagi is a technique that replaces one instance of death, lasting for one minute, usable only once per eye by a Sharingan user, causing that eye to go blind forever. So that's not it.



The Uzumaki clan is a descendant of the Senju clan, the younger son's lineage. If we're talking about Tobi being the eldest son, he would have been Uchiha, and had no such genetic traits.

Besides, the 'longevity' pertains to physical health and endurance throughout a natural and long life, not being able to live over multiple centuries. The So6P died several hundred years before the events that are happening now, and in order for Tobi to be the elder son, he would have had to be immortal, which isn't something the So6P had power over, so no, the elder son wasn't immortal either.



Not if they had different mothers, which would explain why their blood lines split off to begin with. Aside from that, the S06P gifted each one of them with a different set of powers, so even if they had the same mother, the only way they'd be able to share bloodline limits and clan specific abilities, would be to start inbreeding.



Except that you're still overlooking the obvious. Look at how powerful and manipulative Madara is. Do you honestly think that he would be so bent on world domination, but his brother, whom he is very close to, just wouldn't be that way?

- Izuna and Madara were the most powerful Uchiha the clan had ever seen.
- Izuna and Madara BOTH awakened Mangekyo Sharingan, signaling that they had both killed their best friends.
- Izuna and Madara fought together in every single battle, sharing the same ambitions and goals.
- If Madara concocted the Moonseye plan, it's obvious that Izuna would have not only backed him up, but made any sacrifice he could to help that plan happen.
- He gave Madara his eyes, to awaken the EMS, not only to gain even more power, but to allow him to further decipher what it says on the Uchiha plates, giving him the knowledge of how to unlock the Rinnegan.
- There is no proof that Izuna is actually dead, and there is no proof that Izuna just didn't get another set of eyes somehow.
- If Izuna is still alive, he would be as old as Tobi is.



The manga never tells us about the two sons of the sage because too much time has passed for either of them to be still alive. Tobi is NOT the elder son, for the same reason Tobi is not the S06P.



He also said that he 'is a shell of his former self' meaning that he's given up a lot to be who he is now. He could have given his eyes to Madara to awaken EMS, and his body to Madara to be augmented with the 1sts DNA, so he can live forever and be the host of the 10 tails, while carrying out the Infinite Tsukuyomi Moon's Eye plan.

If that's really what happened, of course he would say that he's 'no one' because he's given up his identity and his life in order to fulfill the plan him and his brother came up with. Not to mention that if he's really going to live forever just so he can put everyone into a genjutsu, he's obviously of the state of mind that being human doesn't matter, so he wouldn't care about who he was as a human.



Except for that information on the So6P and all the possible eye techniques can be found in the Uchiha clan dojo, underneath the tatami mats in a secret room, where only those who have awakened the Sharingan can see them. Each stage of the Sharingan unlocks MORE information and there is no telling just how much info is really there.

Once again, Madara obviously unlocked all the info because he had the Rinnegan, which he obtained by getting EMS, which he obtained from his brother, Izuna. There is no way that Madara would take the kids eyes, unlock the secrets that EMS grants, and then NOT tell Izuna anything. They were brothers. Anyone who's had a brother close to the same age, knows that they tend to do everything together.

Madara and Izuna were very close. As Madara unlocked more information, they likely formed their plan around the knowledge that was there, targeting Hashirama Senju because of his wood element release and how it could potentially give them the ability to live forever AND control all the Biju.



Except that we don't know if the eldest son actually had the power of Rinnegan and could wield it for anything. For all we know, the So6P simply divided his abilities by bloodline between the two sons and forced them to unlock the abilities if they wanted to use them.

In most cases, when an inheritance is passed on, the family member that is intended to receive it has to meet certain qualifications to actually get it. I don't think that would be any different coming from the most powerful ninja ever and the man who created all ninjutsu.

If that's the case, then the Elder son would never have awoken Rinnegan because he never would have gotten to EMS, which requires him to take his brother's MS. If the bloodlines were split and the techniques were divided, then the younger son never would have gotten Sharingan to begin with, and had no eyes for the older brother to take.



Of course Madara knows his identity. They formulated the Moon's Eye plan together, and everything is going as plan. Only a younger brother would carry on in his older brother's footsteps, following his wishes to a 'T'.



Except that Uchiha are well known for doing Eye transplants, Tobi has done several himself, he has an entire wall of his secret lab full of Sharingan in jars to keep them preserved.

On top of that, taking Izuna's eyes would not have killed him, and it's more than likely that he had another set of Sharingan eyes ready to go after he transplanted his eyes into his older brother.

Think about it. If Izuna gives his MS to Madara so he can unlock EMS, then that set of eyes is the only eyes that can unlock Rinnegan, and that set of eyes was given to Nagato AFTER the Rinnegan was unlocked.

Nagato's eyes always stayed as the Rinnegan, meaning it was most definitely transplanted into him. Furthermore, the entire time we see Tobi before Nagato dies and he takes the Rinnegan back, he doesn't use it ever.

Only after he gets the Rinnegan back, does he start using it. Basically, Tobi's eyes have been eyes that were taken from other uchiha for a long time, simply because his eyes were always on loan to Nagato, the same exact way that Izuna's eyes were on loan to Madara.

If you still think that Tobi could be anyone other than Izuna, I dunno what to tell you.

Read 561...If it is Izuna...Which I dont think it is...But if it is it doesnt look like he had any plans of reviving Madara. "though im unsure if the fake madara will act as planned". If the point youre trying to make is that Tobi (izuna) and Madara were so close and planned everything together, Id have to say the dialouge from recent chapters says otherwise.

Even when Naruto mention Kabuto had revived Madara, Tobi really seemed indifferent to it... I dont think hes Izuna..One thing that is suspicuos though is that Kabuto didnt bring back Izuna with IWR...I feel like Izuna was probably pretty strong..Why not use him.

But yeah, I think Tobi used Madara for his rinnegan...Madara trusted Tobi to give his rinnegan to Nagato thinking Tobi would have Nagato revive Madara, but i dont think Tobi ever cared too...he just wanted the rinnegan

 

[111narz]

What a chapter,,I mean the bijumode looks awesome...i cant believe how powefull naruto has gone

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[senninferdy]

great chapter!!

 

[SharRinnegan]

You can prolong life but in a single body it is difficult even if you have zetsu spare available you cannot protect your entire physiology from aging otherwise sage , his younger son and hashirama life span could be very well over a century even when madara after getting hashirama powers could not live that long.Based on this
tobi cannot be izuna b/c if madara cannot live that long how could izuna
second if kabuto knows his identity dont refers him like he refers madara.
Third rinnegan is awakened in eyes having ems which can only be obtained in MS in another host so tobi having rinnegan neglects that concept b/c if it had been his eyes his EMS will disappear so he cannot have rinnegan

 

[SharRinnegan]

Continue....
But if EMS/Rinnegan is planted into another person even in uchiha he could not control its switching on/off even that applies for uchiha that dont share eye with siblings.so what you left is Rinnegan that cannot be turned off in case of izuna it works opposite and he would lose both ems and rinnegan b/s his eyes are returning to original state.

 

[SharRinnegan]

short tobi life span is between elders and sennin and tobi is not a zetsu clone we have seen the face in installment many times over he is a human and even fighting minato we saw his blood(red not white) so zetsu clone is out of way.There are no two tobi it is just one and him.

 

[SharRinnegan]

My most pobable would be uchiha kagami or uchiha setsuna (being in same age group) but still iam not sure about them.

 

[squigles]

Read 561...If it is Izuna...Which I dont think it is...But if it is it doesnt look like he had any plans of reviving Madara.

He didn't have any plans of reviving him..... at that point in time, when Kabuto revived him.

"though im unsure if the fake madara will act as planned".

Referencing that phrase out of context doesn't really clarify anything. Before that, Madara says to Kabuto 'So that's why... you've certainly prepared well. Do you know OUR plan as well?' meaning does Kabuto Know Madara's and Tobi's plan.

To which Kabuto replies 'Not in detail... but I am on YOUR side... though I am unsure if the fake Madara will act as planned.' meaning that he's got his own plan and that he's not sure if Tobi will follow his plans.

If the point youre trying to make is that Tobi (izuna) and Madara were so close and planned everything together, Id have to say the dialouge from recent chapters says otherwise.

The point I am trying to make is that you and other people keep insisting this or that without really thinking about what you're suggesting in the context of what's actually happened so far in the manga.

I've no doubt that you've thought a lot about what's going on. I just don't think those thoughts have been in the right places.

Even when Naruto mention Kabuto had revived Madara, Tobi really seemed indifferent to it...

Probably because he knew that Madara would be under Kabuto's control and there really wasn't anything to be done about it at that point in time.

I dont think hes Izuna..One thing that is suspicuos though is that Kabuto didnt bring back Izuna with IWR...I feel like Izuna was probably pretty strong..Why not use him.

Because.... Izuna isn't dead?

But yeah, I think Tobi used Madara for his rinnegan...Madara trusted Tobi to give his rinnegan to Nagato thinking Tobi would have Nagato revive Madara, but i dont think Tobi ever cared too...he just wanted the rinnegan

And you don't think Madara owed him anything by taking his EMS? You don't think that part of the plan was that Tobi would eventually get the Rinnegan back? You don't think that maybe part of the plan was to Revive Madara at a key point in time?

You do realize that as long as Madara is revived by Impure World Resurrection, he is not in control of himself and not capable of carrying out whatever plan he has with Tobi/Izuna if Kabuto decides not to allow him to.

I believe that there is no true immortality, and that Hashirama's DNA is the key to dramatically increasing the life of someone, but at some point that person would still die, and someone would have to take over for the next shift until that person's time was up.

Basically, I think the Moon's Eye plan to cast an Infinite Tsukuyomi on the world would require BOTH Madara and Tobi (Izuna) taking turns controlling things, using Hashirama's DNA, Rinnegan, and the Bijuu in tandem to do so.

Just think of it this way - we don't know anything about Izuna. We've never seen him fight, and we've never seen any of his techniques. For all we know everything he did in his life was to prepare for the role of taking the first shift and controlling the world, planning on Reviving Madara just before he would die, so he can take over.

That's just what makes sense. You can't have an Infinite Tsukuyomi if the person casting it dies at some point, and we all know there are no immortals in the Narutoverse.

 

[SharRinnegan]

Another question in my mind is how come shisui is famous for his getting in other people mind tech it is supposed to be a MS tech that can only be used once in every 10 year and for limited period of time so how come he is so famous like he uses it every day and how his clan member did not knew about his MS but konoha Elders did?