[Discussion] Is it me or is naruto just boring....

[Bruce Faulconer]

@Bruce
Dude, are you even up to date or are you looking at Part 1 issues?

*Reads recent chapters*
Never mind....

/me-make-joke

hahaha wait wut?

 

[Viewtiful]

Who knows. ME SO SIWWY.

 

[24 12 11 to troll]

Im talking about him in general, like he uses the same Rasengan/Multi Shadow Clones tech to win EVERY battle except one I think he used Rasenshuriken!!!

Flame me if you will but isnt this true? I mean look at his counter part (Sasuke) he shows us a new move during every battle, naruto sticks to the same two moves every battle! I mean it took like 300 episodes to find out what chakra nature the dudes using

i guess ur not a manga reader , the upcomeing 50 episodes is full of action and stuff , and naruto doesnt win all his fights with rasengan

 

[Viewtiful]

i guess ur not a manga reader , the upcomeing 50 episodes is full of action and stuff , and naruto doesnt win all his fights with rasengan

I think you're making a joke, but honestly it's kind of hard to tell on the Internet. o.o What he said was that's how Naruto starts off like EVERY fight, which is hard to dispute.

 

[windrider]

The only complain I have about Naruto is ,It has too many loop holes and very poor character development .The original Naruto was the best.It made me fall in love with it ,every cahracter but after the Akatsuki saga started ,The story just revolved around Naruto,Sasuke and Akatsuki .

I hated the fact that even the Main characters were given poor screen time.
Example Sakura ,After the "Gara arc" we did not see much about her or her character .This gara arc happened some 7 or 8 years ago.She did not play any role in the pain arc or even this arc.
Kakashi -Another character which was forgotten. He had a screen play of 1 chapter in the pain arc and he is absolutely ignored in the war arc.What happened between him and 7 swordsman (big loophole) .Why is kishi spending on other battles at the expense of main characters .
Don't forget Konaha 11,especially ten ten,Lee and poor Neji who is as good as dead

Loopholes :Sakuras past,her parents etc,what abt to Ren just to name few

Overall Naruto was interesting during the initial days but for past 2 years ,especially after the war arc.It has become very boring.Kishi should not rush up things.
I am also sure by the way kishi rushes things,By the end of naruto vs Tobi,We will have 1 page showing the 5 Kages sealing up Madara the same way kakashi managed to seal the 7 swordsman .

 

[24 12 11 to troll]

I think you're making a joke, but honestly it's kind of hard to tell on the Internet. o.o What he said was that's how Naruto starts off like EVERY fight, which is hard to dispute.

last time i checked narutos only been in 3 fights in the war , and is in 1 more right now , he didnt start em , and there are like 50000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000 other fights going on without him

 

[Viewtiful]

I didn't say in the war only. If you look at the majority of his fights, he does start off and end that way. Did so for Pain, Kakuzu, 2nd bell test with Kakashi, EVERY fight in Part 1, somewhat against the 3rd Raikage and Mu (but since those fights started before he got there, he didn't have to spam Kage Bunshin at first, only using it once).. I'm not dissing Naruto, it's the truth and it's Kishimoto's fault for not letting him expand his skill set properly.

 

[Honord Sage]

What is wrong with some people? If something works you use it till it stops working. Its like why complain with success? Would you complain on How Babe Ruth swings His Bat?,How Michel Jordan dose a lay up? Result is what counts not numbers Kakashi is very low on the chakra end,He may need 1000 jutsu or more to deal with the different situations He finds Himself in, the maximum use of His limited Chakra. Naruto is a bottomless well when it comes to chakra, He can put a lot in one move and still have more to use.

 

[Viewtiful]

If you meant me, I wasn't complaining, just saying that is was the truth. It's not like it stops me from enjoying Naruto's battles so I'm all good.

 

[skoraxascended]

unless he gets a chance to train it nots going to change for a while either

 

[Nyanmaru]

It's you.

 

[wind charmer]

I disagree with the thought of Naruto being boring because he isn’t …so what if he uses the same technique all the time
it doesn’t matter how or where the most important thing is that he wins and he is confident.

 

[bokurano]

Nowhere near Tobi's level? Tobi has thus far just warped and slipped through objects. Naruto defeated the Six Paths of Pain. I wouldn't call that"nowhere near". He didn't get replenished. We already knew he still had one other Sage Mode clone on standby.

And while it's true none of the main or semi-important side characters have been shown to have died, the Allies have lost about half of their total fighting force.
I do admit I was expecting more, but in some ways, Kishi wrote himself into this corner, the same way Toriyama did for Dragon Ball.
The Madara bit is kind of meh. I mean, we already knew he was going to be massively OP considering he fought Hashirama, but then he has the Rinnegan and Wood Release and so I was like "-_____-"

In regards to the Kurama, technically, it was everyone else that inferred it was evil. I mean sure, it didn't exactly appear to be or act good, but hey, looking like a giant demon tends to get you pegged as one. Honestly, I didn't find its recent turnaround all too surprising. I mean, Jiraiya hammered it into him waaayy back in Part I that he needed to learn to release and control its chakra in order to maximize his potential, and given the existence of Gaara back then and his ability to become his beast, it was only a matter of time for Naruto....like 500 episodes later time. xD Even if you discount that, the entire reason for B becoming prominent was that he was the obvious foreshadowing of what Naruto could/has become.

DEUS EX MACHINA

god out of the machine. Its a literary terms it refers to when writers introduce an event, character or something that solves a plot illogically.
A better definition from wiki ' is a plot device whereby a seemingly unsolvable problem is suddenly and abruptly solved with the contrived and unexpected intervention of some new event, character, ability, or object' A good example is bleach. Ichigo is getting his butt kicked by uloquirra. Suddenly he gains this hollow power from nowhere kicks uloquira butt and returns to normal. Deus ex machina.

This too has been employed in Naruto, especially to naruto.
In the Pain fight, for example. The rinnegan was massively overhyped. Naruto gets his butt kicked so much so that he lets the 9 tails takeover. But wait Deus ex machina. The 4th mysteriously shows up to retighten the seal. Keep the evil bad fox at bay. Remember when naruto when 4 tails against Oro, afterwhile he was massively weakened. But not this time even though he went the full 9 tails. He is somehow just fine and beats Pain. When going to meet nagato. Suprise surprise he's a weakened dying man. Deus ex machina. Furthermore more Deus ex machina, Nagato realizes the error of his ways and all the people who died are coming back. Deus ex machina.
I personally i wouldnt mind if naruto beat Pain. Its just the resurrecting everyone else that pissed me off. It would have been so much better storywise and would have added an extra dimension the story had all the people who died stayed dead. And more surprisingly the man with power to raise the dead couldnt save himself.

I can find more example but i will specifically talk about this war. Tobi was a massively favoured because he possesed the rinnegan, sharingan and 7 out of 9 bijuus. Naruto for the most part of the fight was loosing until deus ex machina. Naruto conveniently has a heart to heart with the bijuus . Turns the 9 tails soft, now with all the kyuubi's power he will beat Tobi. Deus ex machina.
Why is it deus ex machina, mainly because its convenient. Tobi has the upperhand, Kishi cant have naruto loose or captured. So naruto gets a massive powerup courtsey of a case of bad kyuubi gone good. Its the same concept as ichigo's powerups though Kishi does some provide some explanation unlike Bleach.

And u cant deny that he propogated the idea that the Kyuubi was evil in previous chapter. Its paramount in the 1st part naruto. But also in shipuuden. Rewatch the oro naruto fight. There several inferences to the Kyuubi chakra being full of hate. So this sudden change of heart can only be intepreted as a convenient tool to ensure naruto doenst loose to Tobi.

 

[Virus..]

Dantee

 

[Virus..]

OMG

 

[D3A]

Im talking about him in general, like he uses the same Rasengan/Multi Shadow Clones tech to win EVERY battle except one I think he used Rasenshuriken!!!

Flame me if you will but isnt this true? I mean look at his counter part (Sasuke) he shows us a new move during every battle, naruto sticks to the same two moves every battle! I mean it took like 300 episodes to find out what chakra nature the dudes using

Sasuke is boring.

I'll use animations as an example.

Naruto is like an animation that has the same effects, but each time, those same effects are used differently making the over all animation beautiful/interesting

Sasuke is a crappy animation that has a ton of effects in order to distract the viewer from the fact that the animation as a whole is below average.

Naruto's fights revolve around deception, strategy, and overall- pwnage. Sasuke's fights are: jutsu, strategy, recklessness, new jutsu to mask his horrid defeat/ ass beating. (gets pwned by kages, gets susanoo. Starts getting pwned by old man, completes susanoo. Fight vs Itachi was fixed, gets MS.)

I'd watch rather watch Naruto fight than Sasuke. A good fight revolves around strategy rather than a # of moves used

 

[Viewtiful]

Wall o' text...sheesh.

DEUS EX MACHINA

god out of the machine. Its a literary terms it refers to when writers introduce an event, character or something that solves a plot illogically.
A better definition from wiki ' is a plot device whereby a seemingly unsolvable problem is suddenly and abruptly solved with the contrived and unexpected intervention of some new event, character, ability, or object' A good example is bleach. Ichigo is getting his butt kicked by uloquirra. Suddenly he gains this hollow power from nowhere kicks uloquira butt and returns to normal. Deus ex machina.

I'm well aware of what a deus ex machina is. Having that clone wasn't a DEM. It wasn't an unsolvable situation. Something unbelievable didn't pop up seemingly from nowhere with no explanation. Fukasaku had already said 2 episodes previously that Naruto had left two clones there. There was nothing new. No new ability. Nothing.

This too has been employed in Naruto, especially to naruto.
In the Pain fight, for example. The rinnegan was massively overhyped. Naruto gets his butt kicked so much so that he lets the 9 tails takeover. But wait Deus ex machina. The 4th mysteriously shows up to retighten the seal. Keep the evil bad fox at bay. Remember when naruto when 4 tails against Oro, afterwhile he was massively weakened. But not this time even though he went the full 9 tails. He is somehow just fine and beats Pain. When going to meet nagato. Suprise surprise he's a weakened dying man. Deus ex machina. Furthermore more Deus ex machina, Nagato realizes the error of his ways and all the people who died are coming back. Deus ex machina.

"Naruto gets his but kicked"? Are we reading the same manga? He took out 5 of the Six Paths before the Deva Path got the upper hand. And overhyped? The Deva Path took out an entire Hidden Village with a single attack, and even before that attack he and the Pains were holding off an entire village. The 4th showing up was somewhat of a DEM (though there are lesser terms it could fall under), however, Naruto not being exhausted is so easy to explain: Sage Mode. I mean, it was that obvious. Nagato being in the state he was shouldn't have been too surprising. I mean, otherwise why would he have resorted to using corpses as a medium? Everyone is susceptible to Talk no Jutsu. Most of us figured that out way back in Part 1 my good sir. We already knew Pain could resurrect people, though it was a DEM that he could do so on that scale I admit.

I personally i wouldnt mind if naruto beat Pain. Its just the resurrecting everyone else that pissed me off. It would have been so much better storywise and would have added an extra dimension the story had all the people who died stayed dead. And more surprisingly the man with power to raise the dead couldnt save himself.

It may have been better story-wise i one way, however in another way (logically) it would have fallen short. If one of the Hidden Villages just lost nearly their entire fighting force, the would have suffered even moe massively during the war. That I think was Kishi's reasoning for letting Nagato do that. Nagato dying isn't much of a surprise. We learned back in Part 1 that if someone ran clean out of chakra they'd die (when Sasuke was remembering his Chidori training).

I can find more example but i will specifically talk about this war. Tobi was a massively favoured because he possesed the rinnegan, sharingan and 7 out of 9 bijuus. Naruto for the most part of the fight was loosing until deus ex machina. Naruto conveniently has a heart to heart with the bijuus . Turns the 9 tails soft, now with all the kyuubi's power he will beat Tobi. Deus ex machina.

It became more apparent as the fight went on that the reason they were loosing was because Naruto couldn't fully transform, so it had to happen sometime. Conveniently? For the passed 30 or so chapters, it's been shown that Naruto had been trying to win over Kurama. And why wouldn't the Tailed Beasts help him? They were being enslaved and controlled, so at the very least they would have seen him as the better choice, which is exactly what Son said initially. Kurama's power alone won't be enough to win. Tobi still has Six Tailed Beasts in the Demonic Statue of the Outer Path (7 if the Shukaku is there). And again, I point to B and the Hachibi. Their relationship clearly had foreshadowing nearly 250 episodes ago and showed that Tailed Beasts aren't necessarily evil.

Why is it deus ex machina, mainly because its convenient. Tobi has the upperhand, Kishi cant have naruto loose or captured. So naruto gets a massive powerup courtsey of a case of bad kyuubi gone good. Its the same concept as ichigo's powerups though Kishi does some provide some explanation unlike Bleach.

Being convenient isn't the only qualifier for a DEM. And it's not like it just up and changed out of nowhere. This has been coming since like 30 chapters ago. In fact, if you count the fact that the Hachibi said when it the reason he couldn't transform was due to lack of co-op with Kurama, it's more like 40-50 chapters ago.

And u cant deny that he propogated the idea that the Kyuubi was evil in previous chapter. Its paramount in the 1st part naruto. But also in shipuuden. Rewatch the oro naruto fight. There several inferences to the Kyuubi chakra being full of hate. So this sudden change of heart can only be intepreted as a convenient tool to ensure naruto doenst loose to Tobi.

Um, no? The previous chapter doesn't say that. o.o
I'd like you to notice something. Everyone initially thought Naruto to be the same, or at least treated him as such. Kurama did state that it was a living manifestation of hate (not quite the same as evil, probably has to do with the Jubi). Naruto was full of hate during his fight with Pain; Did that make him evil? HEck, this entire series has gone on about you aren't necessarily the sum of your parts (namely for Jinchuriki).
And I repeat, it wasn't a sudden change of heart. IT has been foreshadowed directly for, well, I've stated how long. B and Hachibi extend that even further back.

-sigh- Now you've made me post a wall o' text as a rebuttal (love that word).

 

[raga]

Peace..
Naruto is after all a story. There is bound to be lot of loopholes.

Let us enjoy the manga as it is.

 

[Viewtiful]

Peace..
Naruto is after all a story. There is bound to be lot of loopholes.

Let us enjoy the manga as it is.

Dear lord. No one gets to make any more posts after that awesome one (other than this). NO ONE.

 

[natssuu]

when has chakra been a Jutsu?
its not been revealed by kishi

''That jutsu'' is Torii seal.