[Discussion] Kishimoto and the 4th Great Ninja War

[leafeater]

I personally like the way things are flowing right now, if Kishi delves to much into a certain battle people will complain that we aren't seeing enough of the main story which is Naruto fighting to save the Ninja world. I personally think Kishi has gone way to deep in developing some side characters and showed way to much about past shinobi like the 7 Swordsman, Shisui and others that people just can't bitching about the fact that they aren't mentioned more. He is showing us just enough to add to the main story line and to give us insight into what could possibly happen later in the manga. Delving to far into the development of these battles and backstories of certain characters etc would draw out the manga to much and distract from the whole point of the manga. Bottom line is Kishi can't please everyone and he is doing his best to give everyone what they want.

This is also a valid counterpoint. It's very difficult to balance how far one delves into the details of a given battle and what rewards that has for the plot while maintaining distance in order to push the overall story along. I laud Kishi for his work overall, but no one is perfect. Further, I would never ask him to please everyone and would only ask him to stay true to himself as he's delivered some amazing chapters before, during, and what I now consider post-war since the fighting is restricted to mainly the strongest of the fighters. As I said, overall I enjoyed the war, I think there were some areas that were open to criticism like any kind of work, and I pointed those out as well as how I felt that they could've been improved.

Of course, I intended for this thread to be open to opposing and views such as yours, and indeed welcome them for a more balanced overall view to the reader of the thread who'll see both the original post as well as the insightful posts of each person who has contributed whether they support some of my views or view them oppositely.

Peace

 

[Blaze Release]

Spoiler

There is one Anko providing chakra for all of them. How powerful Edo's are going to be?



Itachi said every jutsu has a weakness. Edos are never at the same power lavel as the living nin. Hiruzen manage to defeat them both at the same time. Hashirama alone beat Madara. Can we assume Madara<Hiruzen?

Kabuto's weakness is that he streched his power to max and cannot use it to full extent like Oro who was using only two hokages and was yet thwarted by an old man.

I find the battle more or less ok. I think more pages per manga would have been good. Some battle scenes could have been elaborated and all that but, then people were also impatient to see the advance of Naruto. People were complaing about Naruto not sensing the war sooner and his growth had been pending as well.

Zabuza and Hanzo basically set the theme, Edo's are not fightig with their 100% unless forced to and kabuto is unable to hadle all of them at the same time.

Kabuto is a secondary. The purpose of the Edo's just distraction and also because most of akatsuki is dead. it would have been a let down if Tobi would be using the rinnegan and jins and fighting the whole shinobi world on his own so other nins got something to do.

if Edo's would be as strong and fought as they could while living it would make Kabuto uber powerful and the main villain and tak all the focus away.

I wouldn't rush to put a judgement till the series is on. sme parts are always better and sometimes the scripts get lose. usually when we read a book we see it as a whole. Here we critique almost every page..

And I don't know what I have been typing and I am not re-reading and editting.. too much ..lol

Anko is providing them with chakra?, manga link please. I know she is being used, but i cannot remember her exact purpose. I do know that edo's arent as strong as they were when they were alive, but even then with the power levels that we have seen from some edo's, for them to be defeated in that manner was sad.

The whole war is a disappointment imo. Its also focused on naruto too much. I mean his clones were all over the battlefield. We thought it was tobi vs bee & naruto and tbh i forgot that bee was even there. You seem to like to challenge me and so far i havent given you my full attention yet. The next time we cross paths, ill take my time with you U_U

 

[Orochimaruwantsyourbody]

Excellent thread,leafeater.Good read.
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Edos are never at the same power lavel as the living nin. Hiruzen manage to defeat them both at the same time. Hashirama alone beat Madara. Can we assume Madara<Hiruzen?

When has this been stated?

But yea I don't agree too with the a>b>c logic​

 

[yeahhh]

This is also a valid counterpoint. It's very difficult to balance how far one delves into the details of a given battle and what rewards that has for the plot while maintaining distance in order to push the overall story along. I laud Kishi for his work overall, but no one is perfect. Further, I would never ask him to please everyone and would only ask him to stay true to himself as he's delivered some amazing chapters before, during, and what I now consider post-war since the fighting is restricted to mainly the strongest of the fighters. As I said, overall I enjoyed the war, I think there were some areas that were open to criticism like any kind of work, and I pointed those out as well as how I felt that they could've been improved.

Of course, I intended for this thread to be open to opposing and views such as yours, and indeed welcome them for a more balanced overall view to the reader of the thread who'll see both the original post as well as the insightful posts of each person who has contributed whether they support some of my views or view them oppositely.

Peace

My comment wasn't aimed at you really, but I have seen a surprising amount of people either making threads or posting comments regarding their disappointment or criticism about the direction Kishi is taking the manga

 

[Avani]

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Anko is providing them with chakra?, manga link please. I know she is being used, but i cannot remember her exact purpose. I do know that edo's arent as strong as they were when they were alive, but even then with the power levels that we have seen from some edo's, for them to be defeated in that manner was sad.

The whole war is a disappointment imo. Its also focused on naruto too much. I mean his clones were all over the battlefield. We thought it was tobi vs bee & naruto and tbh i forgot that bee was even there. You seem to like to challenge me and so far i havent given you my full attention yet. The next time we cross paths, ill take my time with you U_U

What do you think she is used for? She had the curse mark and bit of oro's chakra. Only strong shinobies could handle the curse mark to begin with and she was among the people chosen to be used as a vessel till she changed her mind and Oro let her go.

Check out chaptes 520 and arond I don`t have time to find exact page where he told Tobi why he was not going to kills Anko .

here is the page where Anko is being used for chakra taking and kabtuo declaring power is flowing through him (from anko.)

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So many edos and one Anko.

I wonder nobody makes thread why oro let Anko just because..

 

[HamzaVeli]

its rare for leafeater to make a thread this should be epic

will read it later

lools - its exactly what i thought - leafeater dont make a thread unless - he has found crucial evidence - am at work - lools - gone read it when i get home

 

[Floydical]

Wow! Great analysis, + rep!

I agree that there were simply too many edos to start with. Kishi really put himself at a disadvantage when it came to showing all the battles. As to battles like Kakashi vs. 7SM, I didn't mind not seeing it all. I mean Kakashi expressing "I'm about to go on a rampage" would not indicate anything new. He likely didn't use a single new tech against them and all the 7SM techs were revealed, so it wasn't completely essential.

As for Mifune vs. Hanzou, I think Hanzou simply beat him in blade combat back in the day. I think Mifune was good at 'quick draw slash' then, but even better now. I think Hanzou was limited to techs in their first battle, but very limited in this battle. Not to mention Mifune clearly improved in swordsmanship, so it'd make sense he could beat him now.

As for great battles, the one I perhaps enjoyed most was 2nd Mizukage vs. Gaara. It was a fantastic battle where Gaara was first truly pushed to his limit, ie being weak to oil. Mizukage showed some amazing techs and it was even revealed that he learned a tech from Muu's ancestors... epic.

Anyway, I agree with your points about why some people don't like the war very much, but in hindsight, I like it when I read all the chapters at once.

 

[Blaze Release]

What do you think she is used for? She had the curse mark and bit of oro's chakra. Only strong shinobies could handle the curse mark to begin with and she was among the people chosen to be used as a vessel till she changed her mind and Oro let her go.

Check out chaptes 520 and arond I don`t have time to find exact page where he told Tobi why he was not going to kills Anko .

here is the page where Anko is being used for chakra taking and kabtuo declaring power is flowing through him (from anko.)

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So many edos and one Anko.

I wonder nobody makes thread why oro let Anko just because..

I believe this is the chapter you were looking for;

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Regardless it doesnt tie in with what you said. As kabuto said its to strengthen the iwr binding power. She isnt providing the edo's with chakra <3

 

[Avani]

I believe this is the chapter you were looking for;

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Regardless it doesnt tie in with what you said. As kabuto said its to strengthen the iwr binding power. She isnt providing the edo's with chakra <3

You missed this:

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power is flowing into me..

And what exactly is your point? if you minus Anko from the chakra equation basically you are decreasing Kabuto's power even more.

So one Kabuto alone( since according to you he is not Adding from Anko) deviding his chakra and you expect all the edos to be strong... And fight all the battles all over the field with equal attention..

And next you guys would be making threads asking when Kabuto got that major power up and if he is greater than Madara, tobi, Itachi, hashi or what not all put together..

 

[Houssem Uchiha]

I'm 100% Satisfied with the war and i don't think Kishi can do anything to make it better
ps : i can't wait for Edo Tensei Madara Vs 5 Kages and For Itachi to do something about Kabuto

 

[MannySoopa]

look at the SCOPE of the war...
people keep complaining about all the IWR characters but they are just characters
people to be beaten...theres no need to flesh out story lines on every single one of them...cuz then you'd never be able to get back to the main story line

 

[leafeater]

I'm 100% Satisfied with the war and i don't think Kishi can do anything to make it better
ps : i can't wait for Edo Tensei Madara Vs 5 Kages and For Itachi to do something about Kabuto

I'm glad you enjoyed the war to the optimal amount it seems you could. However, as Kishi is mortal like any of us he is inherently imperfect and thus there is always room for improvement. This is not a sin or defect; rather it's an intrinsic property that we must all accept. I doubt any one of us can go a day without wishing we could of done something better, no matter how small, let alone writing several chapters of manga. Thus, I respectfully disagree on the latter, but I don't feel it detracts from the overall excellence of the product Kishi produces.

Anyway, I too look forward to those fights with ET Madara and Kabuto.

Peace

 

[home]

ive actually liked the war so far
but rep + for all the effort you put in to this thread