[Theory] Tobi: Thread for all Tobi theories and related discussions .

Who do you think Tobi is:

  • Jubbi

    Votes: 21 3.0%
  • Sage of Six Paths

    Votes: 10 1.4%
  • Elder son of Sage of Sixth Path

    Votes: 65 9.3%
  • Izuna uchiha

    Votes: 105 15.0%
  • Kagami uchiha

    Votes: 71 10.1%
  • Obito Uchiha

    Votes: 77 11.0%
  • Fugaku Uchiha

    Votes: 16 2.3%
  • Zetsu

    Votes: 16 2.3%
  • Madara's split personality (created before original body died.)

    Votes: 66 9.4%
  • A copycat whose rolemodel is Madara.

    Votes: 13 1.9%
  • Tobirama

    Votes: 15 2.1%
  • An unknown Uchiha

    Votes: 23 3.3%
  • Real Madara in Zetsu body

    Votes: 28 4.0%
  • Some one from Madara's time ( can't decide though)

    Votes: 7 1.0%
  • Danzou

    Votes: 8 1.1%
  • Setsuna Uchiha

    Votes: 7 1.0%
  • Shisui

    Votes: 14 2.0%
  • An Uzumaki

    Votes: 15 2.1%
  • Madara's Son

    Votes: 23 3.3%
  • A woman

    Votes: 21 3.0%
  • Obito's father

    Votes: 19 2.7%
  • Someone Other than these

    Votes: 24 3.4%
  • First Edo tensie

    Votes: 7 1.0%
  • An alien ( Superman/ HeMan/whatnot)

    Votes: 7 1.0%
  • I am the best. I have no theory. ( Not anymore at least.)

    Votes: 22 3.1%

  • Total voters
    700
Status
Not open for further replies.

Ryuu..

Active member
Legendary
Joined
Jan 16, 2012
Messages
16,752
Kin
0💸
Kumi
0💴
Trait Points
0⚔️
Re: Tobis Identity 100 percent spoiler

I do strongly believe Izuna is involved but not necessarily in OBITO's body. Tobi claimed to be a shell of his former self whcih could mean obito's body but i just find this unlikely after seeing how the left side is the one made up of zetsu.
 

prakashkumar

Active member
Regular
Joined
Aug 29, 2010
Messages
1,538
Kin
0💸
Kumi
0💴
Trait Points
0⚔️
Re: tobi is the first son of the rikudo senin

he said hashirama weakened him which was way in the future for the elder son, if he was truely the elder son he could have waited for the younger son to die and take over the world.
with his 25% he was almost beaten by the 4th hokage.Just remember the fight.So there can chance that ninja like 4th hokage was their at the time.that he can't fight.
 

EternalMangekyouRinnegan

Active member
Regular
Joined
Oct 21, 2010
Messages
1,883
Kin
0💸
Kumi
0💴
Trait Points
0⚔️
Re: tobi is the first son of the rikudo senin

That's a big stretch. Why does it look like he knew all the tablet secrets before hand? We realize Tobi knows them when he talks to Sasuke after Itachi's death, no way to tell how long he knew all that stuff.
Yes, that is a big stretch. I was speculating from the perspective that Tobi is Sage's oldest son.

if tobi already had a dojutsu that was a sharingan and rinnegan fused,that dojutsu should have been enough sine that eye had the ocular powers of the sage,so if he truely was the sage elder son he could have taken over all the clans.

either way you look at it the eye given to the elder son had the sages ocular powers so that means the elder son could see what's on the tablet and his plan could have started way back then if he waited for sage of six path successer's to die.
Older son had a doujutsu that wasn't rinnegan, nor sharingan. Tobi needs rinnegan for his plan to succeed. He can't ressurect Juubi without rinnegan. His plan wasn't conquering the world or uniting clans. His plan was to become Juubi's jinchuurikki and put everyone to sleep under his Infinite Tsukuyomi. Comprende?
 
Last edited:

NarutoKage2

Active member
Veteran
Joined
Apr 13, 2011
Messages
3,281
Kin
9💸
Kumi
3💴
Trait Points
0⚔️
Re: tobi is the first son of the rikudo senin

Yes, that is a big stretch. I was speculating from the perspective that Tobi is Sage's oldest son.



Older son had a doujutsu that wasn't rinnegan, nor sharingan. Tobi needs rinnegan for his plan to succeed. He can't ressurect Juubi without rinnegan. His plan wasn't conquering the world or uniting clans. His plan was to become Juubi's jinchuurikki and put everyone to sleep under his Infinite Tsukuyomi. Comprende?
How does any of that prove in any way that Tobi is the Elder Son of the Sage?

And why the fck has this thread been merged(again lol)?
 

Uchiha Leader

Active member
Regular
Joined
Dec 3, 2011
Messages
1,083
Kin
0💸
Kumi
0💴
Trait Points
0⚔️
Re: tobi is the first son of the rikudo senin

Yes, that is a big stretch. I was speculating from the perspective that Tobi is Sage's oldest son.



Older son had a doujutsu that wasn't rinnegan, nor sharingan. Tobi needs rinnegan for his plan to succeed. He can't ressurect Juubi without rinnegan. His plan wasn't conquering the world or uniting clans. His plan was to become Juubi's jinchuurikki and put everyone to sleep under his Infinite Tsukuyomi. Comprende?
dude yes he can,the story says thatsage divided his power into the the younger and older,the elder had the spiritual energy and the younger son had the body of the sage.

now if that is true that means the elder son had the all the ocular powers of the sage which means that it includes the rinnegan ocular powers inside the elder sons eye.
understand where i'm coming from.
 

Ryuu..

Active member
Legendary
Joined
Jan 16, 2012
Messages
16,752
Kin
0💸
Kumi
0💴
Trait Points
0⚔️
Re: Official Tobi ID thread:All Tobi theories go here:-

Here is my personal idea:

Madara gains rinnegan after getting Hashirama's DNA. He reads so6p's tablet to learn the truth about the juubi. This is where he decides to go through with moon's eye plan. At this stage I also think it's plausible to suggest he messed around with Hashirama's DNA and created white zetsu, possibly creating black zetsu from his own DNA.

Remeber in the manga when Tobi says 'the true winner of the fight (madara vs Hashirama) is he who seeks the future (or whatever)' ; I believe Madara then uncoverd knowledge of the 6paths tablet just before this battle, during the time he left Konoha. However he knew he needed rinnegan to read it and he also knew to complete his ultimate plan it would be impossible to complete in one life time. So he loses to hashi, gains the rinnegan and reads the tablet. In his weakened state he returns to Izuna to give him details of his newly formulated plans. Due to his injuries he dies soon after or during the second shinobi war where he selects nagato to take his eyes (rinnegan). Tobi being Izuna is totally commited to Madara's cause. Madara entrusts his rinnegan to Tobi to find a suitable host who can the perform rinne tensei and revive Madara so he can complete his plan; this being where nagato is selected (not affiliated with konoha, high chakra, in a wartorn country and therefore easily manipulated).

Nagato was chosen because he is Uzumaki with high chakra and rinnegan takes up ALOT of chakra. Also, remeber when tobi said 'nagato betrayed him' when he used rinne tensei on hidden leaf; it was supposed to be used on madara. Moreover, Tobi claimed to be the one who gave nagato his eyes. Plus Madara also said' that brat Nagato finally grew up' because he thought he was revived using rinne tensei and not impure resurrection. He also describes infinte Tsukuyomi as 'our plan' ; tobi and his.

I think Tobi is Izuna also because Izuna was said to be as powerful as Madara in everyway and look at how poerful Tobi has become. I know it showed Izuna was dead but that could've been a very subtle coverup in order for people not to suspect his involvment. It could've been a substitute technique performed by white zetsu. This technique allows White Zetsu to create an exact copy of anyone he has ever touched, down to their chakra. Remeber this was a brother who was so commited to his brother he gave up his eyes. He possibly wanted Madara to have the best possibility of defeating Hashirama and realising his brother was defeated he may've only intensified his hatred of the Senju and his commitment to Madara. Tobi claimed he only cared about the completion of moon's eye plan so this could show once again Izuna's commitment to Madara's cause.

Hey these are just my thoughts, could be wrong don't hate please.
 
Last edited:

Tobi2011

Member
Joined
Oct 27, 2011
Messages
13
Kin
0💸
Kumi
0💴
Trait Points
0⚔️
Re: Official Tobi ID thread:All Tobi theories go here:-

Here is my personal idea:

Madara gains rinnegan after getting Hashirama's DNA. He reads so6p's tablet to learn the truth about the juubi. This is where he decides to go through with moon's eye plan. At this stage I also think it's plausible to suggest he messed around with Hashirama's DNA and created white zetsu, possibly creating black zetsu from his own DNA.

Remeber in the manga when Tobi says 'the true winner of the fight (madara vs Hashirama) is he who seeks the future (or whatever)' ; I believe Madara then uncoverd knowledge of the 6paths tablet just before this battle, during the time he left Konoha. However he knew he needed rinnegan to read it and he also knew to complete his ultimate plan it would be impossible to complete in one life time. So he loses to hashi, gains the rinnegan and reads the tablet. In his weakened state he returns to Izuna to give him details of his newly formulated plans. Due to his injuries he dies soon after or during the second shinobi war where he selects nagato to take his eyes (rinnegan). Tobi being Izuna is totally commited to Madara's cause. Madara entrusts his rinnegan to Tobi to find a suitable host who can the perform rinne tensei and revive Madara so he can complete his plan; this being where nagato is selected (not affiliated with konoha, high chakra, in a wartorn country and therefore easily manipulated).

Nagato was chosen because he is Uzumaki with high chakra and rinnegan takes up ALOT of chakra. Also, remeber when tobi said 'nagato betrayed him' when he used rinne tensei on hidden leaf; it was supposed to be used on madara. Moreover, Tobi claimed to be the one who gave nagato his eyes. Plus Madara also said' that brat Nagato finally grew up' because he thought he was revived using rinne tensei and not impure resurrection. He also describes infinte Tsukuyomi as 'our plan' ; tobi and his.

I think Tobi is Izuna also because Izuna was said to be as powerful as Madara in everyway and look at how poerful Tobi has become. I know it showed Izuna was dead but that could've been a very subtle coverup in order for people not to suspect his involvment. It could've been a substitute technique performed by white zetsu. This technique allows White Zetsu to create an exact copy of anyone he has ever touched, down to their chakra. Remeber this was a brother who was so commited to his brother he gave up his eyes. He possibly wanted Madara to have the best possibility of defeating Hashirama and realising his brother was defeated he may've only intensified his hatred of the Senju and his commitment to Madara. Tobi claimed he only cared about the completion of moon's eye plan so this could show once again Izuna's commitment to Madara's cause.

Hey these are just my thoughts, could be wrong don't hate please.
Bu how did madara read the tablet if it was at the leaf village at the uchihas secret hideout.At the time he would have destroyed the leaf village, and felt betrayed by everyone, even the uchihas.

And it could be tobi took the zetsu dna from Madara because he is likely using him, this could be why the uchihas have always seeked revenge, because they have been used and betrayed, or could be an hate inherited from the battle of rikudos sons.
I support the Izuna theory as well, but I just think it would be too predictable.
You must be registered for see images


If you look at the older brother, he doesn't seem to have the same eyes as tobi, and he would be far too old, by now I think.
But the younger, I think the eye looks like tobis.

The younger son got obsessed with the power of the uchihas, witch wounded him so severe.
The uchihas aren't known for their patience, they show off and destroy all against them, like madara and sasuke.
Also if it is Izuna then how come tobi says Nagato was the third sage of the six paths?
Who was the second then?
At Chapter 510 page 16

I could be wrong don't hate please;)
 
Last edited:

MaluAfakasi

Member
Joined
Aug 29, 2010
Messages
25
Kin
0💸
Kumi
0💴
Trait Points
0⚔️
Re: Official Tobi ID thread:All Tobi theories go here:-

I think tobi may be the so6p or one of the sons. My reasoning is that since there has been so much war in the naruto universe the so6p (or one of the sons) wasnt happy with how things turned out so now he has provided a common enemy for all villages to create one alliance and make peace. I'm not sure how strong Nagato's reviving techniques were but if his are weak in comparison to the so6p then he can revive everyone who has died so far in the war.
Also why he would claim to be madara is because he is the biggest badass theyve seen so far so when kabuto summoned him it sort of ruined his plans abit.
 

Ryuu..

Active member
Legendary
Joined
Jan 16, 2012
Messages
16,752
Kin
0💸
Kumi
0💴
Trait Points
0⚔️
BIG Problem with Inzanagi! - Tobi's true Identity?

An ability the Sage of the Six Paths had, referred to as "Creation of All Things" (万物創造, Banbutsu Sōzō). The process he used is explained to have initially involved the administration of imagination, and the spiritual energy which forms the basis of Yin chakra to create shape and form from nothingness. It is also said that the technique Izanagi is based on this technique.

You must be registered for see images


The Sage was said to have created materials from nothing using Izanagi. Izanagi was used with the Danzou vs Sasuke fight, but it permanently closes the eye sharingan after it has been used.

You must be registered for see images


If it does close the eye for good, why didn't the Sage's eyes close? What if the Rinnegan made it so he could use Izanagi without his eye closing?

Madara acquired the Rinnegan during his final fight with the First Hokage when he aquired his DNA. He is the only known person to acquire the eyes by developing his eyes beyond EMS.

The stone tablet belonging to the So6p - I think the secret to this was passed down by the sage's older son, secretly to the Uchiha as he was bitter about not becoming his father's successor. His dojutsu, whether it is the rinnegan or a slight variation, should've been able to read the tablet because he directly inherited the Sage's eyes. The early ancestors of the Uchiha clan learned top secret details about how combining Senju and Uchiha DNA resulted in the formation of the Rinnegan. Many Uchiha leaders may've tried in vain to gain Senju's DNA but they were defeated everytime. Until Madara finally obtained some, albeit losing to Hashirama in the process.

Now for the interesting part:

Tobi is an Izanagi creation, made by Madara in his last moments so he could be later revived to finish his work. Tobi describes himself as being a 'shadow of his former self', possibly explained by the fact Madara was in such a weakened state when he created him and over time, as his master was dead, his power waned.

I believe Madara couldn't use Izanagi to prevent his death as I believe it's not simply a 'one off' technique; eventually he would need to re-use Izanagi to save himself from being gripped by death once again and I don't believe he had the required strength to keep this going; he had life threatening injuries and was too weak to put this kind of cycle in place.

I think only the So6p was strong enough to use it as a one off technique; which is why when danzo or Tobi use Izanagi they don't remain 'invincible for a long time'; the process must be repeated everytime a new attack hits them.

But before he passed away he had to find out a way for himself to be revived. He was severly wounded from his fight with Hashirama after all. Tobi probably didn't have enough chakra to use the rinnegan at that time, because Madara used up the little Hasirama DNA he had.

Madara felt it was more efficient to be brought back using rinne tensei at full power, full health and under no-ones control (unlike edo tensei). So Tobi was necessary in order to keep the plan in motion and ensure Nagato did his duty whilst Madara was dead.

1. So they scout for possible candidates to host Madara's rinnegan so that he could be revived using rinne tensei.
This person must have high chakra (Nagato, being Uzumaki and everyhting) because the rinnegan uses up so much of it.

2. No-one affiliated with Konoha, once again Nagato so that he would be willing to go through with the plan. Moreover he would be easily persuaded and I would even bet that Madara or Tobi had something to do with those Konoha ninja's killing Nagato's parents.

After all:
Tobi says 'he is nobody'; Have you ever thought he was actually telling the truth?

Nagato betray's Tobi using rinne tensei on Konoha when it was supposed to be used 'for his purposes'.....etc.

The main point here is that I believe Tobi is an Izanagi creation. He is devoted to his master, claiming to be no-one and only interested in the completion of the moon's eye plan. I also think being created using Izanagi, Madara created Tobi's memories and personality, possibly the reason Tobi knows so much is because these are Madara's memories, Madara's emotions.

Quote from Tobi
"Legend has it that Uchiha Madara was bested by Senju Hashirama...but is the legend true? The true winner is he who chose to focus on the future" = Obtaining the rinnegan and subsequently the completion of Moon's eye plan.

Anyways, what do you guys think?:shrug:
 
Last edited:

Cfighter

Active member
Veteran
Joined
Nov 17, 2010
Messages
4,514
Kin
0💸
Kumi
0💴
Trait Points
0⚔️
Re: BIG Problem with Inzanagi! - Tobi's true Identity?

This theory has been made before, but your the first to actually back it up with plausible info. So +rep
 

Yugure

Active member
Elite
Joined
Nov 11, 2010
Messages
8,525
Kin
0💸
Kumi
0💴
Trait Points
0⚔️
Awards
Re: BIG Problem with Inzanagi! - Tobi's true Identity?

you forgot that the sharingans in Danzo's body were implanted, maybe it is different when they are your 'own'

But besides that, good theory
 

Punk Hazard

Active member
Immortal
Joined
Apr 21, 2011
Messages
59,542
Kin
1,661💸
Kumi
11,569💴
Trait Points
50⚔️
Re: BIG Problem with Inzanagi! - Tobi's true Identity?

Creartion of all things does not use Izanagi for anything. Creation of All Things allow you to turn your imagination into reality. Izanagi is a lesser, or incomplete, version of Creation Of All Things, where instead of being able to convert things from imagination to reality and vive versa, all you can do is turn damage to your body into imagination without ruining any jutsu you did
 

shmanton

Active member
Regular
Joined
Sep 4, 2010
Messages
660
Kin
0💸
Kumi
0💴
Trait Points
0⚔️
Re: BIG Problem with Inzanagi! - Tobi's true Identity?

Noce theory dude. Personaly havnt read it before so i can agree with most of it and can think of it coming true =]
 

Ryuu..

Active member
Legendary
Joined
Jan 16, 2012
Messages
16,752
Kin
0💸
Kumi
0💴
Trait Points
0⚔️
Re: BIG Problem with Inzanagi! - Tobi's true Identity?

Creartion of all things does not use Izanagi for anything. Creation of All Things allow you to turn your imagination into reality. Izanagi is a lesser, or incomplete, version of Creation Of All Things, where instead of being able to convert things from imagination to reality and vive versa, all you can do is turn damage to your body into imagination without ruining any jutsu you did
Izanagi uses the same principle as creation of all things, just at a lesser extent. Thus, a technique with the power to turn imagination into reality was born, known as Izanagi. Meaning, it can be used to create things :)
 
Status
Not open for further replies.
Top