Minato vs hasirama

Who wins? Hashirama or Madara


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Owarij

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hashirama would rape minato imo , The kunai he scatters, hashi can cover the entire battlefield in trees EASILY, bury them, maybe even pick then up and place them where he wished, + He has bringer of darkness jutsu, and the only way to get out his hitting the caster,

So blind minato, kunai's basically useless, battlefield of trees
 

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I shouldve reworded it better. He would be caught, but due to his ability to sense others position by placing his finger on the ground, he could locate hashirama and make contact with him

I thought you would say something like that, but its not that easy, once the battlefield is covered in trees, from any point roots can grow out, and latch onto his feet, its almost undodgeable , remember he wont be able to see attacks from trees coming, his kunai can me moved where hashirama wants it etc


Unless Minato has some super, harmful intent senses , i dont see him dodging a barrage of hashiramas trees
 

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I Say its 50/50, Unless hashirama has any Bijuu under his controll.

hashirama would rape minato imo , The kunai he scatters, hashi can cover the entire battlefield in trees EASILY, bury them, maybe even pick then up and place them where he wished, + He has bringer of darkness jutsu, and the only way to get out his hitting the caster,

So blind minato, kunai's basically useless, battlefield of trees
I think if hashirama covers the battle field in Tree's it would Help Minato more than Him, It would give Minato More things to Mark with his FTG seals.

Bringer of Darkness would be a Pain in the ass for Minato to counter,
But Minato has shown some Senor Skills, So he Might be able to Counter if hes lucky enough.

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afterwards he Tells everyone to be careful because they are 20 enemies around.
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I Say its 50/50, Unless hashirama has any Bijuu under his controll.



I think if hashirama covers the battle field in Tree's it would Help Minato more than Him, It would give Minato More things to Mark with his FTG seals.

Bringer of Darkness would be a Pain in the ass for Minato to counter,
But Minato has shown some Senor Skills, So he Might be able to Counter if hes lucky enough.

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afterwards he Tells everyone to be careful because they are 20 enemies around.
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right, as i said it doesnt matter if minato Knows where hashi is.. He can't see attacks cming , and will simply get impaled by a tree
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I thought you would say something like that, but its not that easy, once the battlefield is covered in trees, from any point roots can grow out, and latch onto his feet, its almost undodgeable , remember he wont be able to see attacks from trees coming, his kunai can me moved where hashirama wants it etc


Unless Minato has some super, harmful intent senses , i dont see him dodging a barrage of hashiramas trees
So basically you believe hashirama would use bringer of darkness from the start. He might be a genjutsu user, but that isnt his speciality. He doesnt use this from the start. But for you lets say he does. His ftg kunai's has nothing to do with his ability to sense people by placing his finger of the ground. I do agree that once in a genjutsu, mokuoton can easily capture him, but you see, even if his kunai's have been scattered, he still has the ability to teleport to them, evading attacks from hashirama.

Ill let minato fans continue from here. Ive no reason to defend him as i believe hashirama would win
 
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hashirama would rape minato imo , The kunai he scatters, hashi can cover the entire battlefield in trees EASILY, bury them, maybe even pick then up and place them where he wished, + He has bringer of darkness jutsu, and the only way to get out his hitting the caster,

So blind minato, kunai's basically useless, battlefield of trees
There is no one who can "rape" Minato other than perhaps a rinnegan user. And a rinnegan user can "rape" just about anyone so that doesn't even matter.

He might be able to beat him, possibly but in no way shape or form would it be a lopsided battle.

FTG isn't Minato's only ability but everyone always acts like it is. It is just his greatest defense.


Natural speed is obviously in Minato's favor, as we saw Hashirama's speed and taijutsu in part 1. (that was his real speed, Oro's IWR may have limited the arsenal of his edo's but it doesn't have an effect on their other attributes)


Without a tailed beast there to help him I don't really see him being all that powerful.

Because if you think about it makes no sense that he was able to beat Madara.

Here is why. Hashirama and Madara battled all the time before the leaf village was formed. The Uchihas were the only ones who could stand against the Senju, and Madara and hashirama were the leaders who always fought.

Since they were equals while Madara had just MS and was slowly going blind, how does Hashirama randomly match Madara's new power level when Madara gets the EMS?

Not to mention the fact that Madara summons the 9-tails who at first is under Madara's control. With all of that stuff how is hashirama now not only equal but better to Madara? It makes no sense unless you take into account that the 9-tails at some point in the battle became Hashirama's.

Which means that he either had a bijuu fighting at his side to help him fight Madara, and still they didn't manage to kill him, or it was sealed into Mito and they both fought EMS Madara together.

So either way you look at it hashirama had help from either a bijuu or a jinchurikki. And either way you look at it, Madara was still alive after that battle. So I don't know why Hashirama is getting all this hype.


(Plus Owarij what if this were Hiruzen vs. hashirama? What would you say then? )
 

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minato vs hashimara: we don't know but it appears to be a good fight as both sides are quick thinkers and fight by exploiting other's weaknesses.... but in the end i feel hashimara would out last minato...
 

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There is no one who can "rape" Minato other than perhaps a rinnegan user. And a rinnegan user can "rape" just about anyone so that doesn't even matter.

He might be able to beat him, possibly but in no way shape or form would it be a lopsided battle.

FTG isn't Minato's only ability but everyone always acts like it is. It is just his greatest defense.


Natural speed is obviously in Minato's favor, as we saw Hashirama's speed and taijutsu in part 1. (that was his real speed, Oro's IWR may have limited the arsenal of his edo's but it doesn't have an effect on their other attributes)


Without a tailed beast there to help him I don't really see him being all that powerful.

Because if you think about it makes no sense that he was able to beat Madara.

Here is why. Hashirama and Madara battled all the time before the leaf village was formed. The Uchihas were the only ones who could stand against the Senju, and Madara and hashirama were the leaders who always fought.

Since they were equals while Madara had just MS and was slowly going blind, how does Hashirama randomly match Madara's new power level when Madara gets the EMS?

Not to mention the fact that Madara summons the 9-tails who at first is under Madara's control. With all of that stuff how is hashirama now not only equal but better to Madara? It makes no sense unless you take into account that the 9-tails at some point in the battle became Hashirama's.

Which means that he either had a bijuu fighting at his side to help him fight Madara, and still they didn't manage to kill him, or it was sealed into Mito and they both fought EMS Madara together.

So either way you look at it hashirama had help from either a bijuu or a jinchurikki. And either way you look at it, Madara was still alive after that battle. So I don't know why Hashirama is getting all this hype.


(Plus Owarij what if this were Hiruzen vs. hashirama? What would you say then? )

If this was hashirama vs Hiruzen
I would have two answers

By Feats , Hashirama wins
Bye manga and databook hype - prime hiruzen wins

And this fight i'm going off of the little feats they both showed,

So basically you believe hashirama would use bringer of darkness from the start. He might be a genjutsu user, but that isnt his speciality. He doesnt use this from the start. But for you lets say he does. His ftg kunai's has nothing to do with his ability to sense people by placing his finger of the ground. I do agree that once in a genjutsu, mokuoton can easily capture him, but you see, even if his kunai's have been scattered, he still has the ability to teleport to them, evading attacks from hashirama.

Ill let minato fans continue from here. Ive no reason to defend him as i believe hashirama would win

Everything was his specialty, I believe senjus never focused on 1 aspect of shinobi combat, instead trained and mastered all, nin gen and tai... we have no way of knowing how he fought, but we saw he had good taijutsu and was coughing out A rank genjutsu.... and genjutsu is already rare in the manga as it is... high ranking gen even more so
 
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If this was hashirama vs Hiruzen
I would have two answers

By Feats , Hashirama wins
Bye manga and databook hype - prime hiruzen wins

And this fight i'm going off of the little feats they both showed,
Why do you think that forest would be enough to stop Minato?

He can use Gamabunta to destroy parts of it, or he can just jump around and dodge it. Old Hiruzen did that for a while but kind of gave up there for a while in his fight with Oro. And I know Minato is way way faster and better than Old Hiruzen.

I mean they are just trees and they actually take a little while to wrap around people.

Bringer of Darkness wouldn't be that much of a problem as all Minato needs to do is find out where Hashirama is by using his sensing abilities.
 

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Why do you think that forest would be enough to stop Minato?

He can use Gamabunta to destroy parts of it, or he can just jump around and dodge it. Old Hiruzen did that for a while but kind of gave up there for a while in his fight with Oro. And I know Minato is way way faster and better than Old Hiruzen.

I mean they are just trees and they actually take a little while to wrap around people.

Bringer of Darkness wouldn't be that much of a problem as all Minato needs to do is find out where Hashirama is by using his sensing abilities.

ok and so what happens when he finds out hashirama is? he see's human body's of chakra, how is he going to dodge wooden spears that are coming to impale him?
He can't .. if hashirama decides to only hold him down, then sure... , but if hashirama decides to take a more offensive method, he'd get killed...

I believe wood release would be able handle gama...

And what you are referring to , i believe happened only in the anime
 
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