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Re: Who is Tobi? I think I know
Listen, Madara unlocked rinnegan. He died. He entrusted Tobi with his rinnegan to give to someone so that he could be revivend using rinne tensei rebirth (or whatever it's called). They chose Nagato.
Tobi is most likely Izuna because it had to be someone who would go to such lenghts for Madara. The excuse 'but we saw Izuna dead', that doesn't mean anything, it was most likely a coverup. There is a part in the manga (cba to look atm) where tobi describes how Izuna gave his eyes willingly, but he clenches his fist when saying it. I think Izuna is gettin abit pissed off at just doing Madara's billing which is why i think eventually Tobi will betray Madara's original plan. We know Madara must be part of the plan cause in the manga he says 'mankind will be better in the infinite Tsukuyomi'. How could he have known about it when he was revived if he wasn't in on it from the beginning?
I would also wager that Madara used some sort of genjutsu on tobi to keep him obedient but you can see his commitment is starting to slightly waver.
Anyway back to the story, Nagato was chosen because he's Uzumaki and Rinnegan takes up so much chakra. But he betrayed Tobi by using the rebirth on Konoha. So Tobi/Izuna got screwed over there. That's why Madara said ' that brat nagato finnaly grew up'; he didn't know he was actually revived using impure world resurrection.
Listen, Madara unlocked rinnegan. He died. He entrusted Tobi with his rinnegan to give to someone so that he could be revivend using rinne tensei rebirth (or whatever it's called). They chose Nagato.
Tobi is most likely Izuna because it had to be someone who would go to such lenghts for Madara. The excuse 'but we saw Izuna dead', that doesn't mean anything, it was most likely a coverup. There is a part in the manga (cba to look atm) where tobi describes how Izuna gave his eyes willingly, but he clenches his fist when saying it. I think Izuna is gettin abit pissed off at just doing Madara's billing which is why i think eventually Tobi will betray Madara's original plan. We know Madara must be part of the plan cause in the manga he says 'mankind will be better in the infinite Tsukuyomi'. How could he have known about it when he was revived if he wasn't in on it from the beginning?
I would also wager that Madara used some sort of genjutsu on tobi to keep him obedient but you can see his commitment is starting to slightly waver.
Anyway back to the story, Nagato was chosen because he's Uzumaki and Rinnegan takes up so much chakra. But he betrayed Tobi by using the rebirth on Konoha. So Tobi/Izuna got screwed over there. That's why Madara said ' that brat nagato finnaly grew up'; he didn't know he was actually revived using impure world resurrection.
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read this and read what mizukage is saying
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how can tobi possibly know that much about the past. '
And when tobi clenches his fist, it is just acting like he acted weak and stupid before, because sasuke is easy to manipulate.
I never said madara couldn't be part of the plan, and Tobi doesn't go many lenghts for Madara, aside from the revieve plan he allied with kabuto because of Madaras strenght as a tool.
The "I am no one speech" testifies that all means matters not, only outcome to Tobi.
So he is a mastermanipulator of a kind, if he is an uchiha why is his sharingan active all time like kakashi
Who read the stone tablet then, was it nagato?
how can tobi possibly know that much about the past. '
And when tobi clenches his fist, it is just acting like he acted weak and stupid before, because sasuke is easy to manipulate.
I never said madara couldn't be part of the plan, and Tobi doesn't go many lenghts for Madara, aside from the revieve plan he allied with kabuto because of Madaras strenght as a tool.
The "I am no one speech" testifies that all means matters not, only outcome to Tobi.
So he is a mastermanipulator of a kind, if he is an uchiha why is his sharingan active all time like kakashi
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Re: Who is Tobi? I think I know
There's just too many hints that we can't disregard.
First of all, Tobi is the anagram of Obito minus one letter.
Second of all...
Yeah.
That's all I've got.
But Tobi is Obito.
There's just too many hints that we can't disregard.
First of all, Tobi is the anagram of Obito minus one letter.
Second of all...
Yeah.
That's all I've got.
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Remember it said in the manga 'the real winner (Hashirama vs Madara) is he who chose to fight for the future' - this shows that Madara planned to win the longterm battle: Gain mokuton/hashirama DNA, get the rinnegan and complete moon's eye plan. However, after the battle he was to weak/injured to carry out this plan.
I believe Madara, with his rinnegan read the stone tablet and gave all the instructions to Izuna/Tobi because he was the only person Madara could trust to go to such lengths. However, Madara may've been unaware that Izuna was not so obedient and may've been hatching his own plan/version of moon's eye plan as revenge for Madara (maybe) forcingly taking his eyes.
Because lets remember, Izuna was said to be equal to madara in everyway and this would make him one hell of a ninja. We've seen how strong edo Madara is and its plausible to see Tobi is on the same level as Madara meaning he may have the very same strength as what Izuna would have all these decades later.
Tobi says all he cares about is the completion of moons eye plan. He says 'I am no-one' to show he doesn't care about his own identity; I believe this is Izuna showing how commited to Madara's cause.
Remember it said in the manga 'the real winner (Hashirama vs Madara) is he who chose to fight for the future' - this shows that Madara planned to win the longterm battle: Gain mokuton/hashirama DNA, get the rinnegan and complete moon's eye plan. However, after the battle he was to weak/injured to carry out this plan.
I believe Madara, with his rinnegan read the stone tablet and gave all the instructions to Izuna/Tobi because he was the only person Madara could trust to go to such lengths. However, Madara may've been unaware that Izuna was not so obedient and may've been hatching his own plan/version of moon's eye plan as revenge for Madara (maybe) forcingly taking his eyes.
Because lets remember, Izuna was said to be equal to madara in everyway and this would make him one hell of a ninja. We've seen how strong edo Madara is and its plausible to see Tobi is on the same level as Madara meaning he may have the very same strength as what Izuna would have all these decades later.
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Tobi and Madara have connection and some kind of plan. Why Madara couldn't have told Tobi about what's written in the tablet.
Also, if you want to know about Madara's big plan, here is one theory:
Tobi and Madara have connection and some kind of plan. Why Madara couldn't have told Tobi about what's written in the tablet.
Also, if you want to know about Madara's big plan, here is one theory:
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I Used to Be all Hyped up and can't wait to know who Tobi is ... Now I Don't care about him all i care about is ..........
I Used to Be all Hyped up and can't wait to know who Tobi is ... Now I Don't care about him all i care about is ..........
Re: Who is Tobi? I think I know
He couldn't have read the stone tablet with rinnegan, because he only had it short against Hashirama, before he died.
Only those with rinnegan know of the juubi/ten tails and sage of the six paths, yes it was shown that Izuna was as strong as Madara, but what could have happened then since he lost his powers.
If Tobi is Izuna witch would be an uchiha, why is his sharingan active all time, and he wouldn't be able to read about the ten tails either posessing only sharingan.
I think Madara is just being used, remember what Minato realised, that the world would be in danger by the masked man, and the child off prophecy would save them,
This clearly puts Tobi/younger brother of rikudo as the main villain, not Madara
watch naruto manga 503 page 18
But why does the moon eye plan has to be Madaras plan.
He couldn't have read the stone tablet with rinnegan, because he only had it short against Hashirama, before he died.
Only those with rinnegan know of the juubi/ten tails and sage of the six paths, yes it was shown that Izuna was as strong as Madara, but what could have happened then since he lost his powers.
If Tobi is Izuna witch would be an uchiha, why is his sharingan active all time, and he wouldn't be able to read about the ten tails either posessing only sharingan.
I think Madara is just being used, remember what Minato realised, that the world would be in danger by the masked man, and the child off prophecy would save them,
This clearly puts Tobi/younger brother of rikudo as the main villain, not Madara
watch naruto manga 503 page 18
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Itachi pretty much always had his sharingan active and Madara seems like he did too. At the kage Summit the Mizukage said Madara(Tobi) has the EMS and a person with the Rinnegan. The younger son would not live that long, he is only half of the Sage who died at a old age. If the Sage wasn't alive at that time then neither would his sons. It was stated Tobi had Harhimara's cells and his living energy to make Tobi immortal. So it seems to be Izuna.
Re: Who is Tobi? I think I know
Actual Madara survived his battle with hasimara and got the rinnegan before he died. Also Madara was the first to be able to control the fox with the 3 tomoe sharingan (after getting EMS), Tobi is shown to control in this fashion too and it's shown uchiha's use the full power of the sharingan better than those who get i implanted. Itachi always have Sharingan active except twice..But why does the moon eye plan has to be Madaras plan.
He couldn't have read the stone tablet with rinnegan, because he only had it short against Hashirama, before he died.
Only those with rinnegan know of the juubi/ten tails and sage of the six paths, yes it was shown that Izuna was as strong as Madara, but what could have happened then since he lost his powers.
If Tobi is Izuna witch would be an uchiha, why is his sharingan active all time, and he wouldn't be able to read about the ten tails either posessing only sharingan.
I think Madara is just being used, remember what Minato realised, that the world would be in danger by the masked man, and the child off prophecy would save them,
This clearly puts Tobi/younger brother of rikudo as the main villain, not Madara
watch naruto manga 503 page 18
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