Impure world resurrection (Edo Tensei)

[Ryuu..]

Okay so after seeing some of the responses on the vs thread I created earlier 'Orochimaru vs Jiraiya', something was brought to my attention through the heated discussion:

One set of people argued that Orochimaru using edo reflects his strength in battle because he learned the jutsu and so therefore is as powerful as all his summons (however, on this basis anywhere who learned it could become super powerful: i.e Sakura could easily spank kakashi (no sexual reference intended).

The other set argued that it clearly is the set of ninjas the person has summoned which makes the technique powerful, and so obviously does not reflect their true strength. i.e is sai as strong as Itachi just because he's summoned him?????. Because using edo makes an unfair numerical advantage in battle and so surely it does not reflect the users true power, right?

To make this easier to word, Is Kabutomaru as strong as all his summons or are his summons just, well summons? Because the impression i was getting was that because Oro was summoning and controlling these ninja's (i.e. 1st hokage and 2nd hokage) he was as strong as them both combined in battle.

Thoughts?:shrug:

 

[Lysander]

summons are stronger

 

[Alphaqindyas]

We havent seen him fight at all.

 

[Cfighter]

No, this is something I have been trying to tell people for a long time now. People keep assuming Kabuto is powerful JUST because of IWR. FALSE! Kabuto is skilled, but not powerful (though to be fair we havent seen him in battle yet), yes if it was any other jutsu like Kirin, then he could be called powerful. BUT IWR is not that kind of jutsu, since it relies on the skill level of the person you are resurrecting, its not YOUR power, its THEIR power.

 

[Punk Hazard]

They're half-right

Edo tensei does reflect the user's strength in a way: being able to summon AND control as many edo zombies as he has shows kabuto is very strong

However, that doesn't mean he's AS strong as what he summons himself, but edo tensei does make him a powerful opponent due to it being his weapon

 

[Blaze Release]

I do agree that its an unfair advantage, but its part of a ninja's ninjutsu pool therefore its to be allowed. I hate it also, but what can be done

 

[Ryuu..]

No, this is something I have been trying to tell people for a long time now. People keep assuming Kabuto is powerful JUST because of IWR. FALSE! Kabuto is skilled, but not powerful (though to be fair we havent seen him in battle yet), yes if it was any other jutsu like Kirin, then he could be called powerful. BUT IWR is not that kind of jutsu, since it relies on the skill level of the person you are resurrecting, its not YOUR power, its THEIR power.

I think you were sent from heaven to save some people on here, +rep coming your way.

 

[Ryuu..]

I do agree that its an unfair advantage, but its part of a ninja's ninjutsu pool therefore its to be allowed. I hate it also, but what can be done

I totally get your point, the principle that anyone could become strong using this techniques means that it simply cannot reflect how strong the user is.U_U

 

[Mizukata]

the technique once you learn it,it is easy to use.you do a bit of grave robbering and spend a bit of chakra performing the jutsu and you are done!
summoning ist hard it just consumes a bit of chakra,controling another bit...
this alows its user to stay away from danger,thus protecting him.
the user can be stronger than the summoned but thats not mandatory.Since you can summon people stronger than you,most of the times you will..just because you can...

kabuto summoned people that could defeat him easly and he summoned someone so strong that it broke free of his control.

Orochimaru summoned 2 former kage to fight a kage...

 

[Cfighter]

edo tensei does make him a powerful opponent due to it being his weapon

Do not confuse "powerful" with "annoyance"

I think you were sent from heaven to save some people on here, +rep coming your way.

Why thank you my friend

 

[Owarij]

Edo tensei is like sasori's human puppets...

Only as strong as the user can control...

They can only do jutsu they know the person could have used, and make mistakes the ninja would have never made.. eg kabuto forgetting nagato had chibaku tensei...

The person fighting is the controller....

Though Madara is the one fighting right now, thats his own free will..

If sakura revives itachi, she'd fail while using him.... she doesn't even know how to activate mangekyou, how to use tsukyomi, none of itachi;s jutsu but grandfireball....

once again, it's like sasori's puppet, it depends on the summoners strength and expertise

 

[Dr Strangelove]

Wev hardly seen him fight.

 

[Ryuu..]

Wev hardly seen him fight.

My point isn't about how strong he is, it's the principle of whether his strength is represented in his summons, because some people believe it is U_U.

 

[Lunir]

I think it's a Jutsu just like any other especially other summoning techniques. Having these in your tool kit of jutsu makes you a tougher opponent to defeat. Such as Jiraiya summoning Gama Bunta for instance or Pein/Nagato summon those Rine summons. The summons add to your battle forces and have to be dealt with by your opponent making the user of Edo Tensei a very powerful opponent in battle.

But if you're asking if because Kabutomaru can summon Madara would that make him as fearsome of an opponent as Madara is in combat (Kabutomaru with no summons at his side) I would say no obviously. It's like Madara summoning the Kyubi to fight. Is he more difficult to defeat with or without it?

 

[Melizzle]

They're just summons that retain all the abilities they had while they were alive. The person controlling them still has to make them move, cast their jutsu, etc. The ability to do that is a reflection on the controller's abilities. Especially on the scale that Kabuto is doing it.

 

[The Thinker]

They're half-right

Edo tensei does reflect the user's strength in a way: being able to summon AND control as many edo zombies as he has shows kabuto is very strong

However, that doesn't mean he's AS strong as what he summons himself, but edo tensei does make him a powerful opponent due to it being his weapon

This^^

 

[Owarij]

They're just summons that retain all the abilities they had while they were alive. The person controlling them still has to make them move, cast their jutsu, etc. The ability to do that is a reflection on the controller's abilities. Especially on the scale that Kabuto is doing it.

better phrased than mines

people dont get that, thats not having a ninja fight for you...

 

[Wind..]

Edo Madara and Edo Itachi and Edo Nagato all better than Nagato