so whats the difference between that and when samheyda ate narutos chakra?
naruto loses that chakra forever??? i get that ones a seal and ones being eaten but they do the exact same thing basically which is take the chakra away from the user. im sure that exact same chakra doesnt seep back into them eventually lol they make more.
kinda like when we lose blood, were not always going to be missing that amount of blood, we produce more.
Idk the right answer. All I know is that Kishi said the different chakras were split and sealed separately. To me the only reason he would go through the trouble of mentioning this is if it were going to be important later. It's a possibility.
so whats the difference between that and when samheyda ate narutos chakra?
naruto loses that chakra forever??? i get that ones a seal and ones being eaten but they do the exact same thing basically which is take the chakra away from the user. im sure that exact same chakra doesnt seep back into them eventually lol they make more.
kinda like when we lose blood, were not always going to be missing that amount of blood, we produce more.
Yea so why would they say that Minato and Kurama(Yin Chakra) would fight forever. The only reason I ask is because there hasn't been a seperation of chakra on that level besides Creation of All Things..
Besides that why wouldn't Kishi just say that Minato would be sealing the Yin side inside Shinigami because Naruto's body couldn't conserve it all but as he gets older Kurama's Yin Side would be restored??
Idk the right answer. All I know is that Kishi said the different chakras were split and sealed separately. To me the only reason he would go through the trouble of mentioning this is if it were going to be important later. It's a possibility.
Yea so why would they say that Minato and Kurama(Yin Chakra) would fight forever. The only reason I ask is because there hasn't been a seperation of chakra on that level besides Creation of All Things..
Besides that why wouldn't Kishi just say that Minato would be sealing the Yin side inside Shinigami because Naruto's body couldn't conserve it all but as he gets older Kurama's Yin Side would be restored??
Yeah this is what I'm getting at. I think it will be a problem thats pretty anti-climactic for Tobi. I mean Oro didn't even seem to realize why his edo didn't work, but proceeded anyway. To me Tobi should run into the same problem, or at least recognize that Kurama isn't whole.
No it can't just be chakra. Although I didn't find any evidence when Minato sealed the chakra in himself saying that it was "yin", but people do seem to point that out as actual evidence. I have a hard time believing it though but lots of sources proves me wrong.
It's implied that Tobi can use the 1/8th of the Hachibi's chakra he obtained while trying to seal Bee's tentacle bunshin into Gedo Mazo. Now, he also has a portion of the Kyuubi's chakra as well, thanks to the Kin and Gin brothers.
Even Kabuto commented on him getting impatient enough to resort to such means.
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So, Tobi can probably revive the Juubi and cast the infinite Tsukuyomi even without the full chakra of the 8 and 9 tails.
Plus, I believe that Kurama was able to regenerate it's chakra over time. It's constantly been feeding on Naruto's chakra, plus, we've seen that it regenerates quite easily after Naruto gained it's chakra during his training with Bee.
Also, we've seen that it's size indicates the chakra it has.
Here, when Tobi summoned it, we can see Kurama in all of it's glory:
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Here, is it's size after having it's Yin chakra sealed:
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And finally, here is when Naruto went against Nagato. Chibaku Tensei is humongous. Respectively, so is Kurama. It seems to have regained it's original form.
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Plus, the fox has never mentioned anything about missing any chakra.
If that was the case, I bet either Kurama, Hachibi (who has known Kurama for a veeery very long time) or someone else would have mentioned it was lacking chakra by now.
As a last addition. It's just my way of thinking but, everything Yin has a little bit of Yang in it, and vice versa. Even if Kurama had lost all of it's Yin chakra, the fox could probably regenerate it from the little seed of Yin that was left in the Yang.
I think you're over-thinking it. Minato sealed half of the fox's chakra at the time, but chakra comes back. I think we have to assume that the fox is currently at full power and that all his chakra has returned.
It's implied that Tobi can use the 1/8th of the Hachibi's chakra he obtained while trying to seal Bee's tentacle bunshin into Gedo Mazo. Now, he also has a portion of the Kyuubi's chakra as well, thanks to the Kin and Gin brothers.
Even Kabuto commented on him getting impatient enough to resort to such means.
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So, Tobi can probably revive the Juubi and cast the infinite Tsukuyomi even without the full chakra of the 8 and 9 tails.
Plus, I believe that Kurama was able to regenerate it's chakra over time. It's constantly been feeding on Naruto's chakra, plus, we've seen that it regenerates quite easily after Naruto gained it's chakra during his training with Bee.
Also, we've seen that it's size indicates the chakra it has.
Here, when Tobi summoned it, we can see Kurama in all of it's glory:
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Here, is it's size after having it's Yin chakra sealed:
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And finally, here is when Naruto went against Nagato. Chibaku Tensei is humongous. Respectively, so is Kurama. It seems to have regained it's original form.
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Plus, the fox has never mentioned anything about missing any chakra.
If that was the case, I bet either Kurama, Hachibi (who has known Kurama for a veeery very long time) or someone else would have mentioned it was lacking chakra by now.
As a last addition. It's just my way of thinking but, everything Yin has a little bit of Yang in it, and vice versa. Even if Kurama had lost all of it's Yin chakra, the fox could probably regenerate it from the little seed of Yin that was left in the Yang.
Thank You for that thorough explaination but that still leaves the question of why would Kishi put that out there without it having a lasting effect on Kurama.
But I like what you said when he said to have the Kin and Gin Brothers. Maybe if some of that chakra was mixed then he would be able to restore his Yin chakra. I would have to find the page where they are talking about Naruoto only having Yang chakra because there are not a page that says that he has restored it or how the Bijuus chakra works.. Just saying..
Kishi needs to explain this atleast on one page since they are fighting all of the Bijuu right now..
Thank You for that thorough explaination but that still leaves the question of why would Kishi put that out there without it having a lasting effect on Kurama.
But I like what you said when he said to have the Kin and Gin Brothers. Maybe if some of that chakra was mixed then he would be able to restore his Yin chakra. I would have to find the page where they are talking about Naruoto only having Yang chakra because there are not a page that says that he has restored it or how the Bijuus chakra works.. Just saying..
Kishi needs to explain this atleast on one page since they are fighting all of the Bijuu right now..
Yeah, I recall that page, it was Jiraiya talking with the toads.
But the way I see it, Minato sealed half of the foxs' chakra because infant Naruto wouldn't be able to handle all of it.
He just sealed Kurama's chakra, not his chakra reserves or his chakra regeneration ability.
I too, could be mistaken. This is just the way I interpret the happenings.
I just think that if the fox was lacking any chakra, it would have been mentioned by now by Kurama himself, the Hachibi or more unlikely, Tobi. :shrug:
Yeah, I recall that page, it was Jiraiya talking with the toads.
But the way I see it, Minato sealed half of the foxs' chakra because infant Naruto wouldn't be able to handle all of it.
He just sealed Kurama's chakra, not his chakra reserves or his chakra regeneration ability.
I too, could be mistaken. This is just the way I interpret the happenings.
I just think that if the fox was lacking any chakra, it would have been mentioned by now by Kurama himself, the Hachibi or more unlikely, Tobi. :shrug:
I feel like he lacks chakra becuase it seems to me that whenever he gave chakra to naruto or when naruto took it from him, it didn't last very long. Could be one of two things though. Kurama doesn't have much chakra to give (as he would whole) or Naruto's techniques just take a ridiculous amount of chakra. We do that theyre expensive but idk how much exactly. He pulls energy from so many places as it is.
I feel like he lacks chakra becuase it seems to me that whenever he gave chakra to naruto or when naruto took it from him, it didn't last very long. Could be one of two things though. Kurama doesn't have much chakra to give (as he would whole) or Naruto's techniques just take a ridiculous amount of chakra. We do that theyre expensive but idk how much exactly. He pulls energy from so many places as it is.
But I honestly didn't feel that the foxs' chakra wasn't enough. It's a fact that Naruto is pretty generous when it comes to using chakra. Every clone of his was spamming Rasengans and Rasenshurikens at the same rate as the sales of cute tank tops in the womans department on a %90 sale on a saturday. :shrug:
But for some reason, I think Kurama being smaller than Hachibi indicates the opposite of what I'm saying, that Kurama lacks chakra.
The difference in their sizes can clearly be seen here.
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Even though Kurama should be a lot bigger than the Hachibi due to it being closer to us, they seems around the same size.
I just don't want to admit it, that the Yin chakra is long gone.
But I honestly didn't feel that the foxs' chakra wasn't enough. It's a fact that Naruto is pretty generous when it comes to using chakra. Every clone of his was spamming Rasengans and Rasenshurikens at the same rate as the sales of cute tank tops in the womans department on a %90 sale on a saturday. :shrug:
But for some reason, I think Kurama being smaller than Hachibi indicates the opposite of what I'm saying, that Kurama lacks chakra.
The difference in their sizes can clearly be seen here.
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Even though Kurama should be a lot bigger than the Hachibi due to it being closer to us, they seems around the same size.
I just don't want to admit it, that the Yin chakra is long gone.
I think it's gone though. A reason could be to give Naruto weaknesses. No character should just be pure unbeatable. There's no suspense or conflict then. Maybe this is going to come into play (I think it should).
So the question stands how will Tobi finish his plan without the other half of Kurama's Yin Chakra..
Is there something that we do not know/Is there a jutsu left behind by Minato to release the other half??
Because as we see there he says that it is impossible to seal all of Kurama's chakra inside of Naruto, most likely since he was a newborn. So that leaves me to think that Minato left a jutsu to Naruto to get the other half back.
Even though he says it would be impossible we have to remember that Rikudo sealed the Jubi within himself with possibly the same seal Naruto used on Kurama (Ya know when Naruto sealed him and Kurama got confused thinking that it ws Rikudo).
So the question stands how will Tobi finish his plan without the other half of Kurama's Yin Chakra..
Is there something that we do not know/Is there a jutsu left behind by Minato to release the other half??
Because as we see there he says that it is impossible to seal all of Kurama's chakra inside of Naruto, most likely since he was a newborn. So that leaves me to think that Minato left a jutsu to Naruto to get the other half back.
Even though he says it would be impossible we have to remember that Rikudo sealed the Jubi within himself with possibly the same seal Naruto used on Kurama (Ya know when Naruto sealed him and Kurama got confused thinking that it ws Rikudo).
Tobi can complete his plan and revive the Juubi without the Hachibi and Kurama's full chakra.
He has already stolen the Kin and Gin brothers as a substitute and sealed 1/8th of the Hachibi's chakra when Sasuke brought him Bee's tentacle bunshin.
This has been stated by Kabuto.
The Juubi will be a lot less powerful if it doesn't have the full chakra, but it can still be revived. That will probably be Tobi's downfall, though.
Minato states that it's impossible to seal all of the Kyuubi's chakra with Shiki Fuujin, not inside Naruto.
The reason he seperated it is probably a newborn Naruto couldn't handle that malevolant mass of hatred.
Besides, Minato only sealed half of the Kyuubi's chakra, not half of the Kyuubi himself or it's chakra regeneration ability.
True, that sealed chakra would be gone forever, but new chakra could be regenerated in place of it.
It's the same logic that applies to Naruto gaining Kurama's chakra during his training with Bee.
The chakra he gained would belong to Naruto, forever. But the Kyuubi could still regenerate new chakra for itself by feeding off of Naruto's. :shrug:
Tobi can complete his plan and revive the Juubi without the Hachibi and Kurama's full chakra.
He has already stolen the Kin and Gin brothers as a substitute and sealed 1/8th of the Hachibi's chakra when Sasuke brought him Bee's tentacle bunshin.
This has been stated by Kabuto.
The Juubi will be a lot less powerful if it doesn't have the full chakra, but it can still be revived. That will probably be Tobi's downfall, though.
Minato states that it's impossible to seal all of the Kyuubi's chakra with Shiki Fuujin, not inside Naruto.
The reason he seperated it is probably a newborn Naruto couldn't handle that malevolant mass of hatred.
Besides, Minato only sealed half of the Kyuubi's chakra, not half of the Kyuubi himself or it's chakra regeneration ability.
True, that sealed chakra would be gone forever, but new chakra could be regenerated in place of it.
It's the same logic that applies to Naruto gaining Kurama's chakra during his training with Bee.
The chakra he gained would belong to Naruto, forever. But the Kyuubi could still regenerate new chakra for itself by feeding off of Naruto's. :shrug:
Well, Naruto currently has a couple of new jutsus and moves added to his arsenal.
It's a given that he now has the cooperation of Kurama, so these surely aren't one time moves.
BM, is the most obvious one.
He has something like a force roar. A shockwave so powerful that is able to send 5 bijuus flying back.
A lot more powerful chakra shroud that can deflect TBB's.
TBB itself.
He probably is even faster than when he clashed with A.
He can take the form of Kurama at will.
We've seen Kurama brawl with Nibi, Nanabi (mid air body slam) and Rokubi, so we can add that his BM can possibly flatten mountains if he wants to.
I don't know, there are probably some stuff I missed, but shouldn't these suffice as new techniques? :shrug:
I really couldn't understand what you meant by full regenerative power?
Kurama already has it, Naruto comments on it too. It's able to restore it's original form pretty easily by feeding off of Naruto's chakra.
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Naruto can do the same too. Remember how weak he was after he freed Son Goku from the stake that binded him to his former jinchuuriki.
Kurama was able to restore Naruto's vitality in an instant.
Plus, the examples above cover a really short time span.
Imagine how much Kurama could have restored in Naruto's whole life span.
Well, Naruto currently has a couple of new jutsus and moves added to his arsenal.
It's a given that he now has the cooperation of Kurama, so these surely aren't one time moves.
BM, is the most obvious one.
He has something like a force roar. A shockwave so powerful that is able to send 5 bijuus flying back.
A lot more powerful chakra shroud that can deflect TBB's.
TBB itself.
He probably is even faster than when he clashed with A.
He can take the form of Kurama at will.
We've seen Kurama brawl with Nibi, Nanabi (mid air body slam) and Rokubi, so we can add that his BM can possibly flatten mountains if he wants to.
I don't know, there are probably some stuff I missed, but shouldn't these suffice as new techniques? :shrug:
I really couldn't understand what you meant by full regenerative power?
Kurama already has it, Naruto comments on it too. It's able to restore it's original form pretty easily by feeding off of Naruto's chakra.
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Naruto can do the same too. Remember how weak he was after he freed Son Goku from the stake that binded him to his former jinchuuriki.
Kurama was able to restore Naruto's vitality in an instant.
Plus, the examples above cover a really short time span.
Imagine how much Kurama could have restored in Naruto's whole life span.
i dont think Naruto can ever access the yin chakra again, i mean what was the point of Minato sealing away half the fox if he could just "regrow" it back and became the same fox again?
