Hashirama is more Powerfull than Sarutobi

[The Silent Killer]

Some people think that Hiruzen Sarutobi is more powerfull than Hashirama Senju also I knw that sarutobi was praised as the greatest hokage but still

Hashirama Senju > Sarutobi <uchiha MADARA

wat r u guys thinkin!!! Hashirama outclassed madara , could tame the bijuus had the greatest amount of chakra (as he was senju) , had wood element and ever since he died People like Orochimaru Tobi Danzu Kabuto have done experiments to gain the wood release cuz its so gr8!. Even madara fought him to gain wood release (v dnt knw if its true but tobi said it).
Hiruzen Sarutobi wz also gr8 as he had learnt all ninjutsu in the leaf but still guys First Hokage iz First hokage. + everyone praises him as very powerfull ninja. Itachi said kotoamatsukami cud require a decade to be used again but the First hokage was an Exception.
also i dnt think that Sarutobi could be = or > than Madara when he fought the First.
Hashirama (was >) Madara(before he got ranengan) > Hiruzen

So, HASHIRAMA > SARUTOBI

wat do you guys think!?

please convince me if u think im wrong + (DNT BE HARSH! IM NEW!)

 

[andreuchiha]

yea

 

[-Vegeta-]

Hashirama also took control of the kyuubi when fighting Madara. This thread is also pointless considering we don't know what Hiruzen in his prime was capable of but manga facts are just that facts and the manga states Hiruzen is the strongest hokage. Is it hard to believe? Yes, but I have no reason to go against the author on this until he gives me one.

 

[Klaus]

My Opinion is yeaa Hashirama was better. But also we only got so see Hiruzen Fight at his old age we never saw him fight when he was young so who knows. But i say Hashirama is better

 

[Lysander]

I agree

 

[Lelouch V Brittania]

No. For all you know Madara could be just a bad match up against the 1st, kind of like Sasori was a bad match up against Sakura (who had developed an antidote for his poison) and Chiyo (who knew his techniques). I think Sarutobi is the strongest all round Hokage.

 

[Reborn]

Wow, like this hasn't been said hundreds of times already.

There is never going to be a resolution on Naruto base about who is the better Kage out of Hashi, Tobi, Hiruzen, and Minato, sorry Tsunade...

 

[Itachi Namikaze]

Hashirama also took control of the kyuubi when fighting Madara. This thread is also pointless considering we don't know what Hiruzen in his prime was capable of but manga facts are just that facts and the manga states Hiruzen is the strongest hokage. Is it hard to believe? Yes, but I have no reason to go against the author on this until he gives me one.

Dude not everything said in the manga is a fact.

How many times have we been over that? There is hype, there is exaggeration, and often times characters are flat out wrong if they aren't purposefully lying.

All characters get hyped up immensely.

Both Gaara's defense and Neji's defense were said to be unbeatable yet they were both beaten by genin.

Hiruzen stated in the manga that he was able to stop Orochimaru's third IWR coffin. Was that true? NO, but it was stated as a fact (it also made Hiruzen look stupid considering that he was supposed to know every jutsu in Konoha)

 

[x9lb babynaruto]

Hashirama also took control of the kyuubi when fighting Madara. This thread is also pointless considering we don't know what Hiruzen in his prime was capable of but manga facts are just that facts and the manga states Hiruzen is the strongest hokage. Is it hard to believe? Yes, but I have no reason to go against the author on this until he gives me one.

I agree with this completely

 

[-Vegeta-]

Dude not everything said in the manga is a fact.

How many times have we been over that? There is hype, there is exaggeration, and often times characters are flat out wrong if they aren't purposefully lying.

All characters get hyped up immensely.

Both Gaara's defense and Neji's defense were said to be unbeatable yet they were both beaten by genin.

Hiruzen stated in the manga that he was able to stop Orochimaru's third IWR coffin. Was that true? NO, but it was stated as a fact (it also made Hiruzen look stupid considering that he was supposed to know every jutsu in Konoha)

Point is that Kishi has shown me nothing that contradicts Hiruzen being the strongest hokage and until he does my opinion doesn't change on the matter.

Just because Hashirama beat Madara doesn't make him stronger than Hiruzen considering Naruto doesn't work that way. This isn't DBZ where if Cell beats Vegeta that means he's stronger than Trunks, Naruto isn't like that.

Until we see more of the other hokages including Hiruzen in his prime then I have no reason to change my stance on this matter.

 

[lanakau888]

you can list all hashirama's feats, and hype him up for beating madara all you want, but the fact is that we've never seen hiruzen in his prime, and since he is featless we go by word of mouth or hype, and prime hiruzen is hyped to be stronger than hashirama. Hashirama could have defeated the SO6P and he would still be considered weaker than hiruzen, it would just mean hiruzen would be capable of the same feat.

 

[Itachi Namikaze]

Point is that Kishi has shown me nothing that contradicts Hiruzen being the strongest hokage and until he does my opinion doesn't change on the matter.

Just because Hashirama beat Madara doesn't make him stronger than Hiruzen considering Naruto doesn't work that way. This isn't DBZ where if Cell beats Vegeta that means he's stronger than Trunks, Naruto isn't like that.

Until we see more of the other hokages including Hiruzen in his prime then I have no reason to change my stance on this matter.

That is exactly why it is so ridiculous. You have never seen what Hiruzen could do, but all evidence points away from him being all that great.

I mean look at Onoki now, he is older than Hiruzen and was fighting equally with Mu. Onoki would eat Old Hiruzen for breakfast.

And he obviously didn't know every jutsu in Konoha, so that was an exaggeration. So there is literally nothing to make you think he was the strongest other than two quotes that were meant to impress Hiruzen or to make Orochimaru feel better about losing his arms.

Put them in context and you will see how how they very well could be super hype.

And I don't care if Hashirama is stronger than Hiruzen, but I do think that Minato is.

 

[-Vegeta-]

That is exactly why it is so ridiculous. You have never seen what Hiruzen could do, but all evidence points away from him being all that great.

I mean look at Onoki now, he is older than Hiruzen and was fighting equally with Mu. Onoki would eat Old Hiruzen for breakfast.

And he obviously didn't know every jutsu in Konoha, so that was an exaggeration. So there is literally nothing to make you think he was the strongest other than two quotes that were meant to impress Hiruzen or to make Orochimaru feel better about losing his arms.

Put them in context and you will see how how they very well could be super hype.

And I don't care if Hashirama is stronger than Hiruzen, but I do think that Minato is.

And this is exactly why you can't say he isn't the strongest hokage. We have no idea what he was capable of in his prime but by reputation he's the strongest hokage and I've been shown nothing that contradicts that.

I'm a fan of Minato but he's never been stated to be the strongest hokage as Hiruzen was. Do his feats exceed Hiruzen's? Obviously but as I said we have never seen a prime Hiruzen fight and based off repuation he was considered the strongest of all hokages and until proven otherwise my stance on that matter doesn't change.

 

[Itachi Namikaze]

And this is exactly why you can't say he isn't the strongest hokage. We have no idea what he was capable of in his prime but by reputation he's the strongest hokage and I've been shown nothing that contradicts that.

I'm a fan of Minato but he's never been stated to be the strongest hokage as Hiruzen was. Do his feats exceed Hiruzen's? Obviously but as I said we have never seen a prime Hiruzen fight and based off repuation he was considered the strongest of all hokages and until proven otherwise my stance on that matter doesn't change.

But there are reasons for you not to believe those quotes.


Iruka was obviously trying to talk well about someone who was a grandfather figure to him after his parents died, especially since he was standing right in front of him.

Kabuto was clearly trying to make Orochimaru feel better about losing the use of his arms, because he was super mad.

No one else has ever said that Hiruzen was beast, and we all know Shippuden is where people get really strong.

 

[-Vegeta-]

But there are reasons for you not to believe those quotes.


Iruka was obviously trying to talk well about someone who was a grandfather figure to him after his parents died, especially since he was standing right in front of him.

Kabuto was clearly trying to make Orochimaru feel better about losing the use of his arms, because he was super mad.

No one else has ever said that Hiruzen was beast, and we all know Shippuden is where people get really strong.

None of this makes any difference. Does that make Jiraya's praise for Minato any less significant because he was Minato's teacher? No. It's also stated in the databooks that he's the strongest hokage.

Now I'm done with this argument because as I've said time and time again until proven otherwise Hiruzen is the strongest hokage imo. You're free to believe what you want but you won't change my opinion on the matter.

 

[cmilius]

Does anybody think hashirama senju didn't survive the battle at all and lost but return in the leaf as zetsu took over his body ok let's be honest here how can madara have his power if he beat him and thought he killed madara?
the 1st is superior to hiruzen.

 

[Orochimaruwantsyourbody]

I don't think fans should feel violated when characters like Iruka,Kabuto and Orochimaru argue that Hiruzen being the strongest Hokage in his prime.That's scarcely different than me getting mad that Minato fans think Minato is unsurpassable.Because he's not.​

 

[The Silent Killer]

I Accept that hiruzen was old at time of fighting Orochi but Onoiki is probably older than him but look wats he doing out there + at the time of the kyuubi attack Hiruzen wz doin nothing instead of runnin here and there , if it was'nt for minato leaf wud have been destroyed and Hiruzen wud have still been running here and there while figuring what had happened. he cud do noyhin then and he wasnt that OLd at that time 14 years ago.

 

[torosi]

Dude not everything said in the manga is a fact.

How many times have we been over that? There is hype, there is exaggeration, and often times characters are flat out wrong if they aren't purposefully lying.

All characters get hyped up immensely.

Both Gaara's defense and Neji's defense were said to be unbeatable yet they were both beaten by genin.

Hiruzen stated in the manga that he was able to stop Orochimaru's third IWR coffin. Was that true? NO, but it was stated as a fact (it also made Hiruzen look stupid considering that he was supposed to know every jutsu in Konoha)

yes this is true that not everything is fact in the manga but that statement hasn't been proved wrong yet so its is fact until proven wrong by kishi himself.
p.s. just because a character is said to have great defenses doesn't mean their unbeatable.......and the thing about the third coffin was a plot no jutsu, and wouldn't that make oro look stupid as well seeing that he tried to summon the forth (and i pretty sure oro would've known that the forth use the death reaper jutsu and had no soul)

 

[Itachi Namikaze]

yes this is true that not everything is fact in the manga but that statement hasn't been proved wrong yet so its is fact until proven wrong by kishi himself.
p.s. just because a character is said to have great defenses doesn't mean their unbeatable.......and the thing about the third coffin was a plot no jutsu, and wouldn't that make oro look stupid as well seeing that he tried to summon the forth (and i pretty sure oro would've known that the forth use the death reaper jutsu and had no soul)

Actually you are wrong, Oro did not know that Minato had sealed his soul. Hiruzen did and told him later in that fight.

And at the time those defenses were said to be unbeatable, then they were both beaten. That was my point.