Ending all Edo Madara Vs Naruto BM threads ( according to current abilities)

[FlyingThunderGodHax]

Naruto wont be able to defeat Edo Madara With the current abilites shown.
Here are my thoughts on how madara can counter Naruto/Bijuu modes moves
All are thoughts and speculation. Dont flame me just yet read below

First i will state with my best abilities what available jutsu's that Madara has along with solid proof.

Madara obviously can use amaterasu and tsukuyomi if he has susanoo at his disposal. Stated by itachi . Susanoo is the 3rd ability awakened only if you have awakened tsukuyomi and amaterasu.

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So obviously he has access to these two abilities.

He also has that Giant meteor tech which he uses at will and is quite versatile with it. One is better then two lol

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This also leaves the oppurtuinity of madara possibly gaining nagato's abilities.
(Asura Path,Deva Path etc....) He has already shown one of the paths/nagato's abilities

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Nagato also used a similar meteor technique but at a lower level

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So that brings me to conclusion that Madara could possibly be a better rinnegan user than Nagato.
He also has Hax reaction speeds which imo He can counter naruto at his current speeds, or even FTG speeds which is supposedly the fastest technique in naruto. Want Proof . The attack by A and Tsunade via that chicks lighting technique which travels the speed of light which could be equivalent to FTG Lv2 so in theory he can counter all abilities no matter the speed.Because FTG is the fastest technique
Proof of lightning technique's speed.

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Proof of madara's blocking a move which he didn't expect and happens instanteously but it still didn't get a clean shot on him. He blocked it if i were a success then he would haven't blocked it and would have went flying like muu.But he didn't he stood his ground.

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He also has The 1st dna/KG/mokuton

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Which has the ability to suppress /control the kyuubi chakra. Also the 1st suppressed a full kyubi not half of it. So half is obviously inferior to full & full is superior to half. So in logic madara with mokuton has the ability to suppress the 9 tails with medium difficulty because it is only half of its original power.Which was stated by minato

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The final power madara has to confront is the bijuu dama. IMO i think it is debateable whether Madara Can deflect it with Full Susanoo, but he has other possible options eg.( If he has power of the 6POP which is possible because he has already used one/Shinra Tensei which i think is enough look at the amount of damage it did on the Hidden Leaf , Or he can absord it with this techique )
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Absorb/rinnegan technique

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Or if what i stated was true: that madara has surpassed nagato with rinnegan Then i wouldn't find it crazy that he mixes shinra tensei along with susanoo. And for over kill Absorb it at the same time. He has already shown he has the ability to mix Sharingan techniques with rinnegan techniques
Making an ultimate defence.

This took allot of time to make and find so please don't hate just positive feed back and if possible the reason why I was incorrect.
Also people have claimed that naruto is in an uncomplete version of Bijuu Mode which I fully agree with. But the same also goes for madara. Hes fricking complementing the 5 kages, hes toying with them atm. His abilities so far are nothing compared with whats to come. So much mystery between the two eye techniques.
But still we cannot compare the to in their future forms/states because we don't know how it works or what abilities they gain. So we cant argue/debate with something we haven't seen yet. But back to the point with the current abilities shown from both parties Madara wins. Even with all of naruto's tech's on chapter 571 he would still lose to mardara.

 

[zombiejesus]

imo all naruto would need to do is smack him around a little then seal him

 

[FlyingThunderGodHax]

imo all naruto would need to do is smack him around a little then seal him

I'm gona need more then "all naruto would need to do is smack him around a little then seal him" be specific .
I have you should at least meet me halfway
but if u cbf explanin i understand

 

[NakedNinja]

they cant surpress it cause naruto has control now unless kish makes it that way witch will be gay but ya

 

[Itachi Namikaze]

The fact that you think Edo Madara's speed is equal to Naruto's is what makes me disregard this thread.

And then you say only positive feedback, well this isn't little league sports where everyone gets a trophy.

Also mokuton only suppresses chakra if it the person is encased in it. How feasible do you think it is that Madara would be able to use it on Naruto. An exhausted Naruto with only a tiny fraction on the 9-tails power was able to destroy Madara's huge mokuton forest in seconds. So that is out of the window.


Let's review their abilities.

Madara -
-Mokuton
-Susanoo (which was broken rather easily by A and Onoki)
-speed, though nowhere near Naruto's level.
-can absorb ninjutsu and chakra, but we have not seen how much it can absorb, I would bet anything that the rinnegan can't absorb something like a TBB, especially Naruto's TBB.
-skill with fire jutsu
-meteor attack
-possibly the other rinnegan jutsus, though Madara is inexperienced with the rinnegan.
-possible Amaterasu and Tsukuyomi, though Madara has demonstrated neither in this battle or in any of the flashbacks.

Naruto
-insane speed, faster than all other characters without a doubt.
-has the strength/power to deflect 5 TBB's, more than enough to destroy or deflect any meteor Madara uses, if he doesn't just dodge it.
-has infinitely more chakra than Madara (when not exhausted from fighting a whole fricking army)
-has various forms of rasengan
-has the TBB which would demolish Susanoo, and is too heavy to be shinra tensei'd away
-has the ability to make a ton of KM clones that are all kage level, which he could use in conjunction with his real body using BM.
-is the best sensor in any of his modes
-because he is partners now with the 9-tails he can get out of any genjutsu other than Itachi's Tsukuyomi.
-his chakra cloak should be a good defense against Amaterasu.


So yeah it looks pretty even to me. If Naruto wasn't at the end of his chakra last time he could have given Madara a fight all by himself just in KM. Because if you don't remember he had around 30 KM clones going around saving everyone.

Are you telling me you think Madara can stand up against 30 kage level KM clones? Plus the original who now has access to a full transformation? Madara might be able to, but it would only be through plot no jutsu, because as soon as Kishi had Naruto fighting the entire of Tobi's army, he made him overpowered. No one can stand against 30 KM clones when just one took out Mu and the third raikage.

 

[Watatsumi]

I agree with most of your points, the only problem I see is Naruto's speed.
Comparing Nagato's meteor and Madara's meteor, we can say that Madara has much more control over the rinnegan, when compared to Nagato.

If Pein's Shinra Tensei was able to destroy Konoha, Madara's Shinra Tensei would be able to do a lot more damage.

For Nagato's Chibaku Tensei to be broken down, a Yasaka's Magatama,TBB and RS had to be used.

So Mathematically, I don't think that Naruto's TBB can destroy Madara's CT.

We don't know much about the Rinnegan yet, and I suggest that we wait for Sasuke to show up and use it before suggesting that Naruto is #1.

Anyway, + rep.

 

[FlyingThunderGodHax]

The fact that you think Edo Madara's speed is equal to Naruto's is what makes me disregard this thread.

And then you say only positive feedback, well this isn't little league sports where everyone gets a trophy.

Also mokuton only suppresses chakra if it the person is encased in it. How feasible do you think it is that Madara would be able to use it on Naruto. An exhausted Naruto with only a tiny fraction on the 9-tails power was able to destroy Madara's huge mokuton forest in seconds. So that is out of the window.


Let's review their abilities.

Madara -
-Mokuton
-Susanoo (which was broken rather easily by A and Onoki)
-speed, though nowhere near Naruto's level.
-can absorb ninjutsu and chakra, but we have not seen how much it can absorb, I would bet anything that the rinnegan can't absorb something like a TBB, especially Naruto's TBB.
-skill with fire jutsu
-meteor attack
-possibly the other rinnegan jutsus, though Madara is inexperienced with the rinnegan.
-possible Amaterasu and Tsukuyomi, though Madara has demonstrated neither in this battle or in any of the flashbacks.

Naruto
-insane speed, faster than all other characters without a doubt.
-has the strength/power to deflect 5 TBB's, more than enough to destroy or deflect any meteor Madara uses, if he doesn't just dodge it.
-has infinitely more chakra than Madara (when not exhausted from fighting a whole fricking army)
-has various forms of rasengan
-has the TBB which would demolish Susanoo, and is too heavy to be shinra tensei'd away
-has the ability to make a ton of KM clones that are all kage level, which he could use in conjunction with his real body using BM.
-is the best sensor in any of his modes
-because he is partners now with the 9-tails he can get out of any genjutsu other than Itachi's Tsukuyomi.
-his chakra cloak should be a good defense against Amaterasu.


So yeah it looks pretty even to me. If Naruto wasn't at the end of his chakra last time he could have given Madara a fight all by himself just in KM. Because if you don't remember he had around 30 KM clones going around saving everyone.

Are you telling me you think Madara can stand up against 30 kage level KM clones? Plus the original who now has access to a full transformation? Madara might be able to, but it would only be through plot no jutsu, because as soon as Kishi had Naruto fighting the entire of Tobi's army, he made him overpowered. No one can stand against 30 KM clones when just one took out Mu and the third raikage.

since when did i say he has equal speed. I said he could react in time to counter naruto. Obviously naruto's faster. If he could counter an attack which travels at the speed of light. which he didn't even suspect was coming. Then yes will be able to counter naruto as obviously naruto is no where near light speeds unless he learns/gains FTG which i don't see possible unless those guards/minato teach him??

I agree with most of your points, the only problem I see is Naruto's speed.
Comparing Nagato's meteor and Madara's meteor, we can say that Madara has much more control over the rinnegan, when compared to Nagato.

If Pein's Shinra Tensei was able to destroy Konoha, Madara's Shinra Tensei would be able to do a lot more damage.

For Nagato's Chibaku Tensei to be broken down, a Yasaka's Magatama,TBB and RS had to be used.

So Mathematically, I don't think that Naruto's TBB can destroy Madara's CT.

We don't know much about the Rinnegan yet, and I suggest that we wait for Sasuke to show up and use it before suggesting that Naruto is #1.

Anyway, + rep.

Thanks bro

 

[The Eye]

The sharigan wont be able to see narutos movements.

 

[FlyingThunderGodHax]

The sharigan wont be able to see narutos movements.

Maybe EMS enhance's the user's ability to predict movements?? I know it hasn't been proven yet but how did madara counter/block Mabui's teleportation technique which travels at light speeds ??

 

[The Eye]

Maybe EMS enhance's the user's ability to predict movements?? I know it hasn't been proven yet but how did madara counter/block Mabui's teleportation technique which travels at light speeds ??

he was flying back then he put his hands up, its instincts to block after you get hit.

 

[Wind..]

The fact that you think Edo Madara's speed is equal to Naruto's is what makes me disregard this thread.

And then you say only positive feedback, well this isn't little league sports where everyone gets a trophy.

Also mokuton only suppresses chakra if it the person is encased in it. How feasible do you think it is that Madara would be able to use it on Naruto. An exhausted Naruto with only a tiny fraction on the 9-tails power was able to destroy Madara's huge mokuton forest in seconds. So that is out of the window.


Let's review their abilities.

Madara -
-Mokuton
-Susanoo (which was broken rather easily by A and Onoki)
-speed, though nowhere near Naruto's level.
-can absorb ninjutsu and chakra, but we have not seen how much it can absorb, I would bet anything that the rinnegan can't absorb something like a TBB, especially Naruto's TBB.
-skill with fire jutsu
-meteor attack
-possibly the other rinnegan jutsus, though Madara is inexperienced with the rinnegan.
-possible Amaterasu and Tsukuyomi, though Madara has demonstrated neither in this battle or in any of the flashbacks.

Naruto
-insane speed, faster than all other characters without a doubt.
-has the strength/power to deflect 5 TBB's, more than enough to destroy or deflect any meteor Madara uses, if he doesn't just dodge it.
-has infinitely more chakra than Madara (when not exhausted from fighting a whole fricking army)
-has various forms of rasengan
-has the TBB which would demolish Susanoo, and is too heavy to be shinra tensei'd away
-has the ability to make a ton of KM clones that are all kage level, which he could use in conjunction with his real body using BM.
-is the best sensor in any of his modes
-because he is partners now with the 9-tails he can get out of any genjutsu other than Itachi's Tsukuyomi.
-his chakra cloak should be a good defense against Amaterasu.


So yeah it looks pretty even to me. If Naruto wasn't at the end of his chakra last time he could have given Madara a fight all by himself just in KM. Because if you don't remember he had around 30 KM clones going around saving everyone.

Are you telling me you think Madara can stand up against 30 kage level KM clones? Plus the original who now has access to a full transformation? Madara might be able to, but it would only be through plot no jutsu, because as soon as Kishi had Naruto fighting the entire of Tobi's army, he made him overpowered. No one can stand against 30 KM clones when just one took out Mu and the third raikage.

I agree with you completely ^^^^ I think they are almost equally matched but Naruto would most likely come out on top unless Madara has a Tsukuyomi like Itachi where he can slow down time but I think Naruto wins

 

[FlyingThunderGodHax]

he was flying back then he put his hands up, its instincts to block after you get hit.

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no clearly in this pic he got hit but he blocked it. If he didn't block he would have went flying like muu and even better he stood his ground
I'm not an uchiha fanboy im just tryna state facts and stop the naruto fanboys from spamming the threads section.

 

[The Eye]

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no clearly in this pic he got hit but he blocked it. If he didn't block he would have went flying like muu and even better he stood his ground
I'm not an uchiha fanboy im just tryna state facts and stop the naruto fanboys from spamming the threads section.

ok idk
you see that circle pattern, it means he was also sent back not as hard as muu but was send back

 

[Amantius]

The fact that you think Edo Madara's speed is equal to Naruto's is what makes me disregard this thread.

And then you say only positive feedback, well this isn't little league sports where everyone gets a trophy.

Also mokuton only suppresses chakra if it the person is encased in it. How feasible do you think it is that Madara would be able to use it on Naruto. An exhausted Naruto with only a tiny fraction on the 9-tails power was able to destroy Madara's huge mokuton forest in seconds. So that is out of the window.


Let's review their abilities.

Madara -
-Mokuton
-Susanoo (which was broken rather easily by A and Onoki)
-speed, though nowhere near Naruto's level.
-can absorb ninjutsu and chakra, but we have not seen how much it can absorb, I would bet anything that the rinnegan can't absorb something like a TBB, especially Naruto's TBB.
-skill with fire jutsu
-meteor attack
-possibly the other rinnegan jutsus, though Madara is inexperienced with the rinnegan.
-possible Amaterasu and Tsukuyomi, though Madara has demonstrated neither in this battle or in any of the flashbacks.

Naruto
-insane speed, faster than all other characters without a doubt.
-has the strength/power to deflect 5 TBB's, more than enough to destroy or deflect any meteor Madara uses, if he doesn't just dodge it.
-has infinitely more chakra than Madara (when not exhausted from fighting a whole fricking army)
-has various forms of rasengan
-has the TBB which would demolish Susanoo, and is too heavy to be shinra tensei'd away
-has the ability to make a ton of KM clones that are all kage level, which he could use in conjunction with his real body using BM.
-is the best sensor in any of his modes
-because he is partners now with the 9-tails he can get out of any genjutsu other than Itachi's Tsukuyomi.
-his chakra cloak should be a good defense against Amaterasu.


So yeah it looks pretty even to me. If Naruto wasn't at the end of his chakra last time he could have given Madara a fight all by himself just in KM. Because if you don't remember he had around 30 KM clones going around saving everyone.

Are you telling me you think Madara can stand up against 30 kage level KM clones? Plus the original who now has access to a full transformation? Madara might be able to, but it would only be through plot no jutsu, because as soon as Kishi had Naruto fighting the entire of Tobi's army, he made him overpowered. No one can stand against 30 KM clones when just one took out Mu and the third raikage.

The only reply that made sense here.​

 

[Noble Armada]

Naruto wont be able to defeat Edo Madara With the current abilites shown.
Here are my thoughts on how madara can counter Naruto/Bijuu modes moves
All are thoughts and speculation. Dont flame me just yet read below

First i will state with my best abilities what available jutsu's that Madara has along with solid proof.

Madara obviously can use amaterasu and tsukuyomi if he has susanoo at his disposal. Stated by itachi . Susanoo is the 3rd ability awakened only if you have awakened tsukuyomi and amaterasu.

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So obviously he has access to these two abilities.

He also has that Giant meteor tech which he uses at will and is quite versatile with it. One is better then two lol

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This also leaves the oppurtuinity of madara possibly gaining nagato's abilities.
(Asura Path,Deva Path etc....) He has already shown one of the paths/nagato's abilities

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Nagato also used a similar meteor technique but at a lower level

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So that brings me to conclusion that Madara could possibly be a better rinnegan user than Nagato.
He also has Hax reaction speeds which imo He can counter naruto at his current speeds, or even FTG speeds which is supposedly the fastest technique in naruto. Want Proof . The attack by A and Tsunade via that chicks lighting technique which travels the speed of light which could be equivalent to FTG Lv2 so in theory he can counter all abilities no matter the speed.Because FTG is the fastest technique
Proof of lightning technique's speed.

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Proof of madara's blocking a move which he didn't expect and happens instanteously but it still didn't get a clean shot on him. He blocked it if i were a success then he would haven't blocked it and would have went flying like muu.But he didn't he stood his ground.

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He also has The 1st dna/KG/mokuton

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Which has the ability to suppress /control the kyuubi chakra. Also the 1st suppressed a full kyubi not half of it. So half is obviously inferior to full & full is superior to half. So in logic madara with mokuton has the ability to suppress the 9 tails with medium difficulty because it is only half of its original power.Which was stated by minato

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The final power madara has to confront is the bijuu dama. IMO i think it is debateable whether Madara Can deflect it with Full Susanoo, but he has other possible options eg.( If he has power of the 6POP which is possible because he has already used one/Shinra Tensei which i think is enough look at the amount of damage it did on the Hidden Leaf , Or he can absord it with this techique )
Hidden Leaf after shinra tensei

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Absorb/rinnegan technique

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Or if what i stated was true: that madara has surpassed nagato with rinnegan Then i wouldn't find it crazy that he mixes shinra tensei along with susanoo. And for over kill Absorb it at the same time. He has already shown he has the ability to mix Sharingan techniques with rinnegan techniques
Making an ultimate defence.

This took allot of time to make and find so please don't hate just positive feed back and if possible the reason why I was incorrect.
Also people have claimed that naruto is in an uncomplete version of Bijuu Mode which I fully agree with. But the same also goes for madara. Hes fricking complementing the 5 kages, hes toying with them atm. His abilities so far are nothing compared with whats to come. So much mystery between the two eye techniques.
But still we cannot compare the to in their future forms/states because we don't know how it works or what abilities they gain. So we cant argue/debate with something we haven't seen yet. But back to the point with the current abilities shown from both parties Madara wins. Even with all of naruto's tech's on chapter 571 he would still lose to mardara.

Itachi said in that panel "the third technique that awakened along with Tsukuyomi and Amaterasu". He does not say that these are the required techniques. It is somewhat speculated that each family of Sharingan has its own, unique moves. For example, Itachi and Sasuke share Amaterasu and Tsukuyomi because they are brothers and share eyes. Shisui, however, also an extremely skilled Uchiha, has Koto Amatsukami, and Kakashi has Kamui. I do not believe that it these are the required techniques for Susano'o, but I do believe that Madara has other MS techniques he's yet to reveal.

 

[FlyingThunderGodHax]

Itachi said in that panel "the third technique that awakened along with Tsukuyomi and Amaterasu". He does not say that these are the required techniques. It is somewhat speculated that each family of Sharingan has its own, unique moves. For example, Itachi and Sasuke share Amaterasu and Tsukuyomi because they are brothers and share eyes. Shisui, however, also an extremely skilled Uchiha, has Koto Amatsukami, and Kakashi has Kamui. I do not believe that it these are the required techniques for Susano'o, but I do believe that Madara has other MS techniques he's yet to reveal.

I agree each uchiha have their own unique traits when they awaken. But they awaken it in that fashion. Like sauke He used tsukuyomi on bee then amaterasu on hachibi/B then finally gained susanoo during his fight with raikage . Same goes for madara i believe he without a doubt he has amaterasu/tsukuyomi along with some other EMS we havent seen. But we just have to wait inorder to see whether this is true or not

 

[NarutoBestFanboy]

Naruto has Madara beat in speed and chakra. However Madara is an edo so regenerates. Even though Naruto is faster Madara has a haxed defence so it would be hard to win anyway.

Sasuno + rinnegan. One is hard enough on it's own and that BM is only lasting 5 minutes.

 

[Finn]

The fact that you think Edo Madara's speed is equal to Naruto's is what makes me disregard this thread.

And then you say only positive feedback, well this isn't little league sports where everyone gets a trophy.

Also mokuton only suppresses chakra if it the person is encased in it. How feasible do you think it is that Madara would be able to use it on Naruto. An exhausted Naruto with only a tiny fraction on the 9-tails power was able to destroy Madara's huge mokuton forest in seconds. So that is out of the window.


Let's review their abilities.

Madara -
-Mokuton
-Susanoo (which was broken rather easily by A and Onoki)
-speed, though nowhere near Naruto's level.
-can absorb ninjutsu and chakra, but we have not seen how much it can absorb, I would bet anything that the rinnegan can't absorb something like a TBB, especially Naruto's TBB.
-skill with fire jutsu
-meteor attack
-possibly the other rinnegan jutsus, though Madara is inexperienced with the rinnegan.
-possible Amaterasu and Tsukuyomi, though Madara has demonstrated neither in this battle or in any of the flashbacks.

Naruto
-insane speed, faster than all other characters without a doubt.
-has the strength/power to deflect 5 TBB's, more than enough to destroy or deflect any meteor Madara uses, if he doesn't just dodge it.
-has infinitely more chakra than Madara (when not exhausted from fighting a whole fricking army)
-has various forms of rasengan
-has the TBB which would demolish Susanoo, and is too heavy to be shinra tensei'd away
-has the ability to make a ton of KM clones that are all kage level, which he could use in conjunction with his real body using BM.
-is the best sensor in any of his modes
-because he is partners now with the 9-tails he can get out of any genjutsu other than Itachi's Tsukuyomi.
-his chakra cloak should be a good defense against Amaterasu.


So yeah it looks pretty even to me. If Naruto wasn't at the end of his chakra last time he could have given Madara a fight all by himself just in KM. Because if you don't remember he had around 30 KM clones going around saving everyone.

Are you telling me you think Madara can stand up against 30 kage level KM clones? Plus the original who now has access to a full transformation? Madara might be able to, but it would only be through plot no jutsu, because as soon as Kishi had Naruto fighting the entire of Tobi's army, he made him overpowered. No one can stand against 30 KM clones when just one took out Mu and the third raikage.

madara should be able to absorb a TBB

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[tracytracy22]

Just a quick question. Assuming madara can use the Hokage-Style Sixty-Year-Old Technique — Kakuan Entering Society with Bliss-Bringing Hands, would this give him a great advantage? He also has the sharingan. He might not be able to control the 9 tails but he could really mess with naruto you know?

 

[FlyingThunderGodHax]

Just a quick question. Assuming madara can use the Hokage-Style Sixty-Year-Old Technique — Kakuan Entering Society with Bliss-Bringing Hands, would this give him a great advantage? He also has the sharingan. He might not be able to control the 9 tails but he could really mess with naruto you know?

Could be a possibilty?