Sasuke getting the rennigen

[Reborn]

Where does it say u need uchiha an senju to get rinnegan, even tho they are both from so6p.

It's called context, noticing patterns.

Example: Izanagi, said to be derrived from SO6P's Creation of All Things ability he used to split up the Juubi's body from chakra. Izanagi requires Sharingan and Wood release via Hashirama's cells. Danzo had both, which is why he could do it, Tobi has both which is why he can do it.

Madara said he obtained Rinningan before his death. We know he didn't die from his fight with Hashirama, we know he managed to obtain Hashirama's cells before his death because Madara was brought back having those abilities. Now that would mean his fight with Hashirama is when he recieved those cells correct? Madara had EMS and Hashi's cells, he knew of Nagato which could be the reason Nagato has the Rinningan (besides the point though) and then he mentioned he had Rinningan only a short time before he died so what does that infer.

Here's something to be taken from every piece of literature, yes, including manga. Just because things aren't said directly doesn't mean it isn't true or that or potentially true. When you look and notice patterns in things you'll understand that.

 

[DaKiba]

.. why don't we just say this.. IF Sauske did get the Rinnengan would he be on equal terms with Naruto, or would they need a new kenkei Genki

 

[Reborn]

.. why don't we just say this.. IF Sauske did get the Rinnengan would he be on equal terms with Naruto, or would they need a new kenkei Genki

Or, or we can say lets see the extent of Sasuke's EMS before we conclude that he needs anything huh?

 

[Ambriel]

It's called context, noticing patterns.

Example: Izanagi, said to be derrived from SO6P's Creation of All Things ability he used to split up the Juubi's body from chakra. Izanagi requires Sharingan and Wood release via Hashirama's cells. Danzo had both, which is why he could do it, Tobi has both which is why he can do it.

Madara said he obtained Rinningan before his death. We know he didn't die from his fight with Hashirama, we know he managed to obtain Hashirama's cells before his death because Madara was brought back having those abilities. Now that would mean his fight with Hashirama is when he recieved those cells correct? Madara had EMS and Hashi's cells, he knew of Nagato which could be the reason Nagato has the Rinningan (besides the point though) and then he mentioned he had Rinningan only a short time before he died so what does that infer.

Here's something to be taken from every piece of literature, yes, including manga. Just because things aren't said directly doesn't mean it isn't true or that or potentially true. When you look and notice patterns in things you'll understand that.

Rinnegan N izangi are two different things. The Uchiha, are the descendants of the Rikudou son who inherited his father's eyes. Why cant the uchiha have the same eyes if there ancestor had em.

 

[Reborn]

Rinnegan N izangi are two different things. The Uchiha, are the descendants of the Rikudou son who inherited his father's eyes. Why cant the uchiha have the same eyes if there ancestor had em.

Were you not listening to what I was trying to suggest. The central figure here is the Sage who had all these incredible abilities. Of which, Izanagi was one of them, now Izanagi being a dojutsu, don't you think that would have some type of connection to the Rinningan? The Creation of All things was said to be the parent more or less, it was the concept anyway, yet it needed both Senju and Uchiha DNA.

Yes the eldset son had the eyes but if you notice, the gene pool gave substancially weaker eyes in comparison to the Rinninga, as soon as the genes were split down the middle between the older and younger sons. The oldest didn't have the same eyes as his father, the Uchihas didn't have the same eyes as the elder, there was a De-evolution (if we wanna us Digimon terminologyxd) of the eyes.

Now we can say that, yes the Sharingan eye could evolve back into the origional Rinningan but seeing as the eldest son didn't indeed have the eyes and there is nothing saying that he ever recieved Rinningan at a later point in time, it's suggested that the Sage's powers and Rinningan are a whole and can only be achieved via a combination of the two halves that make up that whole.

 

[Ambriel]

Were you not listening to what I was trying to suggest. The central figure here is the Sage who had all these incredible abilities. Of which, Izanagi was one of them, now Izanagi being a dojutsu, don't you think that would have some type of connection to the Rinningan? The Creation of All things was said to be the parent more or less, it was the concept anyway, yet it needed both Senju and Uchiha DNA.

Yes the eldset son had the eyes but if you notice, the gene pool gave substancially weaker eyes in comparison to the Rinninga, as soon as the genes were split down the middle between the older and younger sons. The oldest didn't have the same eyes as his father, the Uchihas didn't have the same eyes as the elder, there was a De-evolution (if we wanna us Digimon terminologyxd) of the eyes.

Now we can say that, yes the Sharingan eye could evolve back into the origional Rinningan but seeing as the eldest son didn't indeed have the eyes and there is nothing saying that he ever recieved Rinningan at a later point in time, it's suggested that the Sage's powers and Rinningan are a whole and can only be achieved via a combination of the two halves that make up that whole.

I hear what u sayin born but I believe kabuto based on data collected over the years, Kabuto and Orochimaru hypothesised that Rinnegan is a natural evolution.

 

[Reborn]

I hear what u sayin born but I believe kabuto based on data collected over the years, Kabuto and Orochimaru hypothesised that Rinnegan is a natural evolution.

But I'm pretty sure neither said it was a natural evolution in those words or implied it besides that vauge sentence Kabuto gave.

 

[Ambriel]

But I'm pretty sure neither said it was a natural evolution in those words or implied it besides that vauge sentence Kabuto gave.

Here's something to be taken from every piece of literature, yes, including manga. Just because things aren't said directly doesn't mean it isn't true or that or potentially true. When you look and notice patterns in things you'll understand that.

 

[Owarij]

Yes, what else did Madara have prior to his death that he didn't have before hm.

Kabuto wasn't even in that pannle you gave nor was anything mentioned about how to obtain the Rinningan so you had me click for nothing.

Think about this rationally, the Sage of 6 Paths spawned two offsping. The sage had the Rinningan, the oldest son had some lesser dojutsu derrived from the Rinningan but not the Rinninan, and younger had the body and not the Rinningan either.

If the gene pool was split down the middle as it has been implied, how would one progress to the absolute maximum potential of both genes (Rinningan) without the other half of the puzzle hmm?

And this is where i disagree.
I personally have a theory that the elder son's eye was better than the rinnegan..

Rinnegan being what nagato had, What the elder son had would be something of the sorts of what madara has now, rinnegan with all the ms jutsu...

No where was it said that ms justu came from the so6p..

infact the red eye , aka sharingan, came from the JUUBI , and throught the juubi influence the elder son's eye turned into a mutated rinnegan.. a better rinnegan, Thus the uchiha clan started... with potential to unlock mangekyou sharingan, then rinnegan ms , which is what madara has,

I don't believe senju dna is needed for the evolution , you jsut have to be extremely special.. and in the history of the uchiha, sasukes eyes has been hyped to be special... by tobi, nagato and kyuubi even saying its more sinister than madara's ....

 

[Uchiha Prophet]

omg lol

 

[Ambriel]

And this is where i disagree.
I personally have a theory that the elder son's eye was better than the rinnegan..

Rinnegan being what nagato had, What the elder son had would be something of the sorts of what madara has now, rinnegan with all the ms jutsu...

No where was it said that ms justu came from the so6p..

infact the red eye , aka sharingan, came from the JUUBI , and throught the juubi influence the elder son's eye turned into a mutated rinnegan.. a better rinnegan, Thus the uchiha clan started... with potential to unlock mangekyou sharingan, then rinnegan ms , which is what madara has,

I don't believe senju dna is needed for the evolution , you jsut have to be extremely special.. and in the history of the uchiha, sasukes eyes has been hyped to be special... by tobi, nagato and kyuubi even saying its more sinister than madara's ....

I agree wario I just didnt wanna write all that

 

[Usagi]

Since ems evolves into rinnegan, yes he will get it

That's if he meets the prereq. for it which is having senju blood coursing through his veins.

 

[Ambriel]

That's if he meets the prereq. for it which is having senju blood coursing through his veins.

Where in the manga does it say u need senju cells

 

[Soulzz]

You don't need Senju it was never proven. Sasukes getting Rinnegan unless he dosen't need it.

 

[Reborn]

Here's something to be taken from every piece of literature, yes, including manga. Just because things aren't said directly doesn't mean it isn't true or that or potentially true. When you look and notice patterns in things you'll understand that.

Using my own words, but notice I used the word patterns, which means reoccurance, which is probable cause for speculation/theories. What pattens have risen that would suggest that the Sharingan and Uchiha don't need the influence to unlock the powers that the Sage had?

How many times have Senju DNA and Uchiha DNA been linked together to provide an extrodinary outcome that has somehow been linked back to the Sage? When you have reason to believe something because of patterns, not just the words of another character that only gives a self imposed implication on the character's part (meaning it was inserted by Kishi for the character not neccessarily a doctrine of truth).

And this is where i disagree.
I personally have a theory that the elder son's eye was better than the rinnegan..

Rinnegan being what nagato had, What the elder son had would be something of the sorts of what madara has now, rinnegan with all the ms jutsu...

No where was it said that ms justu came from the so6p..

infact the red eye , aka sharingan, came from the JUUBI , and throught the juubi influence the elder son's eye turned into a mutated rinnegan.. a better rinnegan, Thus the uchiha clan started... with potential to unlock mangekyou sharingan, then rinnegan ms , which is what madara has,

I don't believe senju dna is needed for the evolution , you jsut have to be extremely special.. and in the history of the uchiha, sasukes eyes has been hyped to be special... by tobi, nagato and kyuubi even saying its more sinister than madara's ....

That all sounds well and good, and when I first saw the Juubi's eye I was wondering similar things but then again I was thinking about how the eye was a combination of what looked like a Sharingan and a Rinningan. I was thinking about how the Sage's eyes resembeled what looked like half of the Juubi's eye, and the Sage supposedly used the Rinningan to defeat the Juubi.

I developed my own theory that may be a counter theory to yours. I'm still on the whole, split down the middle gene thing between the Eldest sone an Youngest son. I feel that part of the eldest son's inheritance was the Juubi's power (the tome and Sharingan) which is part of your theory, however, when you look at the Sharingan compared to the Rinningan it's always a little bit weaker. We have no way of telling if the son's eyes were stronger then his father's and I'm one to keep the Sage at a higher esteem so what I theorize is similar to yours that they can achieve the Juubi's eye or whatever, which is a combination however the eldest son didn't get the full natural package to evolve into the Rinningan, which would be the Sage's power.

What I'm saying is the eldest son got the half of the full potential in terms of the eye, which would be the Sharingan techniques but it wasn't better then the Sage's origional eye, he only recieved the half that was the influence of the Juubi, that would also explain the hatred within the son as the Juubi is hatred and looking at Naruto's whiskers as examples, traits of a Bijuu can be passed down to offsping if the parent is a Jinchuuriki. I feel that you're right, that with the Senju DNA, they can achieve Rinningan and still maintain the Sharingan techniques. However I don't think it's going to grant them much more then that. Obviously the techniques of a kekkei genkai won't leave if you still have the genetic make up. It may sound like I'm changing what I'm saying and agreeing with your theory but what I'm saying is.

Once they get Senju DNA Uchiha just get the benifit of having both Sharingan and Rinningan techniques by the switching back and forth between the techniques, they're seprate entities so therefore the Rinningan still requires teh Senju half of DNA to activate the Rinningan for the Uchiha.

Am I making sense, because if I'm not forgive me, it's been a tireing day for mexd.

 

[Ambriel]

I'm pretty sure Rinnegan was said to be the natural evolution of Eternal Mangekyo Sharingan.

I agree

 

[Owarij]

Using my own words, but notice I used the word patterns, which means reoccurance, which is probable cause for speculation/theories. What pattens have risen that would suggest that the Sharingan and Uchiha don't need the influence to unlock the powers that the Sage had?

How many times have Senju DNA and Uchiha DNA been linked together to provide an extrodinary outcome that has somehow been linked back to the Sage? When you have reason to believe something because of patterns, not just the words of another character that only gives a self imposed implication on the character's part (meaning it was inserted by Kishi for the character not neccessarily a doctrine of truth).



That all sounds well and good, and when I first saw the Juubi's eye I was wondering similar things but then again I was thinking about how the eye was a combination of what looked like a Sharingan and a Rinningan. I was thinking about how the Sage's eyes resembeled what looked like half of the Juubi's eye, and the Sage supposedly used the Rinningan to defeat the Juubi.

I developed my own theory that may be a counter theory to yours. I'm still on the whole, split down the middle gene thing between the Eldest sone an Youngest son. I feel that part of the eldest son's inheritance was the Juubi's power (the tome and Sharingan) which is part of your theory, however, when you look at the Sharingan compared to the Rinningan it's always a little bit weaker. We have no way of telling if the son's eyes were stronger then his father's and I'm one to keep the Sage at a higher esteem so what I theorize is similar to yours that they can achieve the Juubi's eye or whatever, which is a combination however the eldest son didn't get the full natural package to evolve into the Rinningan, which would be the Sage's power.

What I'm saying is the eldest son got the half of the full potential in terms of the eye, which would be the Sharingan techniques but it wasn't better then the Sage's origional eye, he only recieved the half that was the influence of the Juubi, that would also explain the hatred within the son as the Juubi is hatred and looking at Naruto's whiskers as examples, traits of a Bijuu can be passed down to offsping if the parent is a Jinchuuriki. I feel that you're right, that with the Senju DNA, they can achieve Rinningan and still maintain the Sharingan techniques. However I don't think it's going to grant them much more then that. Obviously the techniques of a kekkei genkai won't leave if you still have the genetic make up. It may sound like I'm changing what I'm saying and agreeing with your theory but what I'm saying is.

Once they get Senju DNA Uchiha just get the benifit of having both Sharingan and Rinningan techniques by the switching back and forth between the techniques, they're seprate entities so therefore the Rinningan still requires teh Senju half of DNA to activate the Rinningan for the Uchiha.

Am I making sense, because if I'm not forgive me, it's been a tireing day for mexd.

lmao it took 2 reads for me to finally get it, had a few classes today , brain tired T.T

It is a possibility the elder son didn't receive the full package, but if he didn't , that would mean the younger son didn't receive the full package body either right?

 

[Reborn]

lmao it took 2 reads for me to finally get it, had a few classes today , brain tired T.T

It is a possibility the elder son didn't receive the full package, but if he didn't , that would mean the younger son didn't receive the full package body either right?

Sorry if I went about it confusingly my head is messed up and I was thinking of that but wasn't sure if that was what I was saying in the end. Oh and about the body thing, we don't really know what was implied with the inheritance of the body other then chakra. Did the youngest son have wood release or was wood release like the Sharingan, something diluted down the family line? I'm not really sure of what, in terms of the Juubi's body, the youngest son could've inherited (maybe a tail...somebody go check the youngest son's assxd jk) I will admit that could be a flaw in my theory or maybe the body, physicality of the chakra, the ability to contain a tailed beast through means other then dojutsu? I'm not sure this is a guess to fill in the gap.

I agree

Don't be that ass who edits other people's posts to lie.

 

[Ambriel]

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Sorry if I went about it confusingly my head is messed up and I was thinking of that but wasn't sure if that was what I was saying in the end.



Don't be that ass who edits other people's posts to lie.

Reborn how did the bijuu get Sharinnegan or give me a link to were it explains it.

 

[Reborn]

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Reborn how did the bijuu get Sharinnegan or give me a link to were it explains it.

You mean the Juubi?

I'm not saying he had the sharingan but if you look at the eye, it resembles a combination Rinningan and Sharingan, these are of my lesser theories that I don't post but take a look at the eye of the Juubi and see the corrilation between the color and the tome of both Sharingan and the Juubi's eye.