Tsukuyomi and ordinary genjutsu

Watatsumi

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People seem to think that jinchuuriki can break out of Tsukuyomi, but this isn't true.
I'll explain why.

There is another thread going on about this, but I want to end this argument once and for all.

Reasons:

1.Itachi said that only one who shares his own blood can break out of Tsukuyomi.


2.People claim that Itachi could have been lying, as when he said that he would have a tie with Jiraiya.However, Itachi did so because he wanted to get away without making it look suspicious in front of Kisame.
Why would he lie to Kakashi without any reason?

3.Itachi can manipulate his Tsukuyomi so that it would seem like 72 hours to the victim, while it would seem like a mere instant to the others. Nobody can snap the victim out of genjutsu in an instant.

4.Itachi's Tsukuyomi cannot be negated by disrupting chakra flow, that applies only to ordinary genjutsu.


5.Note that Itachi says "Only another Sharingan user can provide some resistance to the Mangekyo Sharingan".If a sharingan user, i.e, Kakashi was unable to break out of Tsukuyomi, how can jinchuuriki break out of it unless they have a sharingan?

6.Genjutsu affects the jinchuuriki only, and not the bijuu. This means that the jinchuuriki is the only one who experiences time dilation, while the bijuu will perceive it as an instant.


7.If the bijuu would get affected by Tsukuyomi when Itachi casts it on the host, it would have a hard time trying to get out of Tsukuyomi, and it won't be able to save it's host by disrupting chakra flow.

8.Comparing Sasuke's Tsukuyomi to Itachi's is pointless, as they are both on a different level.

9.Naruto knew that B was a perfect jinchuuriki, but he says that B would be finished if he got hit by Tsukuyomi or Amaterasu.


10.Comparing Tsukuyomi to ordinary genjutsu is like comparing Amaterasu to ordinary Katon.

11.The only ones who can hope to get out of Itachi's Tsukuyomi are Kakashi, Tobi, Sasuke and Madara, as they have the sharingan and they can try to resist it to some extent.

Any counters?
 
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Perfect hosts can break out of sasukes.
No one but sasuke can break out of itachis.
 

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Itachis tysukiyomi is retardedly op. the only way you can break it is by being a sibling with a mature sharingan lol.
Im so glad sasukes tysukiyomi wasn't on itachis level. It might be now tho with ems.
 

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i wonder if space time jutsu like the one Tobi uses could counter it or FTG.....we wont know until its showed in manga......

as said by Itachi every justu has a weak point.....so there has to be at least one counter to it...other than being blood related to itachi
 

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i wonder if space time jutsu like the one Tobi uses could counter it or FTG.....we wont know until its showed in manga......

as said by Itachi every justu has a weak point.....so there has to be at least one counter to it...other than being blood related to itachi

It's weakness is that it consumes a lot of chakra, and that Itachi can't spam it.
 

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i wonder if space time jutsu like the one Tobi uses could counter it or FTG.....we wont know until its showed in manga......

as said by Itachi every justu has a weak point.....so there has to be at least one counter to it...other than being blood related to itachi

The only weak points of tysukiyomi is that you have to look into the users eyes and it's only close range. Don't look at him eyes and your good. So moves like FTG and s/t would be very effective.
 

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The only weak points of tysukiyomi is that you have to look into the users eyes and it's only close range. Don't look at him eyes and your good. So moves like FTG and s/t would be very effective.

It's weakness is that it consumes a lot of chakra, and that Itachi can't spam it.

I know those are not counters though they are more of prevention.......I meant like once inside Tsukyomi there has to be a counter......
 

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I know those are not counters though they are more of prevention.......I meant like once inside Tsukyomi there has to be a counter......

There is no counter.

Just as flames of Amaterasu can't be put out, Tsukuyomi can't be cancelled by anyone other than Sasuke.
 

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2.People claim that Itachi could have been lying, as when he said that he would have a tie with Jiraiya.However, Itachi did so because he wanted to get away without making it look suspicious in front of Kisame.
Why would he lie to Kakashi without any reason?



lmao not saying u agree with this but everything itachi has lied about has been shown so show me proof that when he said he would tie with j man it was a lie pls :) cause there is no proof so ya. and i know not the point of the thread but its so annoying seeing fanboys say that was a lie when there is no proof and they all bring the wheres the proof when ppl say they stuff they dont like they say show proof but is ok for them to do it with a uchia lol
 

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Obvious, but you did a very nice job putting it all together. Hopefully everybody gets it now.
 

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Sasuke tskyuomi might as well be a regular genjutsu, it can be broken by the simple means of disturbing your chakra

itachi's on the other hand starts and finishs almost in the same time
 

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Obvious, but you did a very nice job putting it all together. Hopefully everybody gets it now.

Agree, good job putting all facts together. But unfortunately some people will never understand. Fox example rinnemaki, who think that Nagato can break through Kotoamatsukami.
 
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